Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[+Hammerclaw]

It ain't over 'tll it's over, but one thing is over i.e., the myth of the might Russian war machine. Whatever it once was, it's ranks are now filled with peacetime soldiers, ill prepared and too poorly disciplined to fight in a real war. It's performance, thus far, has been abysmal and in that regard, Europe can breathe a little easier. It reminds me of the US occupation troops rushed to Korea from Japan in 1950, green and untried in combat and ill prepared for what awaited them. 

[Helen of Annoy]

Some Russian big shot just called the volunteers from my country "mercenary". It's offensive because our men would pay to fight for Ukraine, not the other way around.  

Like I said, we're a small nation, there's so few of us. But if you can see how much of a psycho I am when my friends are attacked, imagine what our men are like. 

 

The battle for Energodar has started, Ukrainians are protecting the largest nuclear plant in Europe. 

 

Zelensky said Ukraine needs aviation.  

"If you don't have the power to close the Ukrainian sky, then give me planes." 

 

Pretty please. Give Ukraine the planes, it's now or never. 

[Helen of Annoy]

Zelensky invited Putin to a meeting: I do not bite. What are you afraid of ?, reports Sky News.

The only way to stop the war is for the two of us to talk directly. We need to talk unconditionally, without bitterness, as people. We are not attacking Russia nor is it our plan. What do you want from us, leave our country! Sit with me, but not 30 meters away, as with Macron, "Zelensky told Putin.

 

[Helen of Annoy]

Russian oil company, Lukoil, demands the war is stopped. 

 

So nice of them, though it would be much nicer if they had time to demand that before it started. 

[Grey Area]

1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Some Russian big shot just called the volunteers from my country "mercenary". It's offensive because our men would pay to fight for Ukraine, not the other way around.  

There’s a lot of people chomping at the bit to be let lose in Ukraine.  It’s an unusual situation where the people deliver a call to arms and the politicians call for restraint.

It is clear why we MUST exercise restraint, but it’s incredibly difficult.  Every NATO country should accidentally have to force land some fighter jets in Ukraine and abandon their planes because… Reasons.

[ExpandMyMind]

2 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Tucker Carlson is spokesthing of Kremlin. 

I know you don't want to believe that, but it is so and it will be proven. Hopefully, in International court of justice too. I'm not saying he'll end up on trial, though he should, I'm saying his role will be proven too when processes for more significant Russian assets are completed.  

It's beyond belief that Kremlin managed to slither so high in the top of US politics and spread its disinformation tentacles so wide among American public. The only good thing is that too will soon end. First the finances will dry up, as Russian economy collapses under real sanctions (Tucker told you sanctions won't work - see how they're not working), then the orders will stop, when Putin meets his maker down in Hell. 

They're using his show to promote their propaganda https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/russian-tv-uses-tucker-carlson-tulsi-gabbard-sell-putins-war/

****ing traitors. 

[ChewiesArmy]

So how does the war crimes aspect work? I saw somebody was officially investigating Putin. Does it go in front of the UN? Then there must be a trial, or can there be indisputable evidence that nullifies a trial? How quickly could he be found of crimes? If he is found guilty of crimes, then is there an offensive to go into Russia and apprehend him?

[Only_]

3 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Tucker Carlson is spokesthing of Kremlin. 

I know you don't want to believe that, but it is so and it will be proven. Hopefully, in International court of justice too. I'm not saying he'll end up on trial, though he should, I'm saying his role will be proven too when processes for more significant Russian assets are completed.  

It's beyond belief that Kremlin managed to slither so high in the top of US politics and spread its disinformation tentacles so wide among American public. The only good thing is that too will soon end. First the finances will dry up, as Russian economy collapses under real sanctions (Tucker told you sanctions won't work - see how they're not working), then the orders will stop, when Putin meets his maker down in Hell. 

I think we should resist the temptation to see the Kremlin's hand in everything.

[Grey Area]

4 minutes ago, ChewiesArmy said:

So how does the war crimes aspect work? I saw somebody was officially investigating Putin. Does it go in front of the UN? Then there must be a trial, or can there be indisputable evidence that nullifies a trial? How quickly could he be found of crimes? If he is found guilty of crimes, then is there an offensive to go into Russia and apprehend him?

No chance.  The only way Putin will face any form of justice is if he is ousted as president and arrested.

While he remains in power he’ll deny everything and sit behind the iron curtain smiling at the world.

[DarkHunter]

31 minutes ago, ChewiesArmy said:

So how does the war crimes aspect work? I saw somebody was officially investigating Putin. Does it go in front of the UN? Then there must be a trial, or can there be indisputable evidence that nullifies a trial? How quickly could he be found of crimes? If he is found guilty of crimes, then is there an offensive to go into Russia and apprehend him?

The International Criminal Court will investigate the war crimes.  During the investigation it's like any other criminal investigation, evidence documented, witnesses talked too, ect then based on the investigation if there is good enough evidence then arrest warrants will be issued and trials held.  

I didnt look too deeply into it but it doesnt seem like any nation can do much to block or stop an investigation once it starts and an investigation into war crimes committed by Russia and Belarus has already started.

As for war crimes Russia has committed yet another war crime, they were using a military ambulance marked with the red cross to move ammunition to the front lines.  Doesnt seem like a major issue but it is massively illegal and violates atleast one Geneva convention.

[+Hammerclaw]

This is not something new that sprang, suddenly, from the brain of a madman. Putin has alluded to, sometimes wistfully and at other times seriously, of the reconstitution of the old Soviet Union. He has been an ultranationalist from the beginning and has talked for years about how great it would be if they were all one big happy family, again, how he though only nationalist minorities wanted independence and that Ukraine wasn't a real country. 

Apparently, Putin's ultranationalist clique got caught counting their chickens before they hatched.

Ukraine crisis: Russian news agency deletes victory editorial - BBC News

Edited March 3, 2022 by Hammerclaw

[Poncho_Peanatus]

I compare Putin failed offensive to Mussolinis failed campaign in Greece and Africa, soldiers mass surrendering, tanks and trucks with no fuel or broken down etc ,only the Germans are not going to save mr general secretary Vlad Putins behind as they did with el duce.

That convoy thats closing Kiev is an absurdity, just matter of time till its totally annihiliated by guerilla, drone and airstrikes. IMO Putin should face that his offensive is failed, pull back to the start positions, fortify and ask for peace. 

This aside, is it true that the Germans want disband NATO after seeing Russia military performance, I heard some rumors but I cant find any serious source on this.

[Helen of Annoy]

1 hour ago, Only_ said:

I think we should resist the temptation to see the Kremlin's hand in everything.

Certainly. But you can unsee Kremlin's hand in Tucker only if you choose to deny objective and very observable reality. 

It's irrational to believe he happens to have an opinion that happens to cater to Kremlin's needs by pure accident.

After all, even if he was an independent thinker (  ) still his thinking leads into treason.

[Helen of Annoy]

8 minutes ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

I compare Putin failed offensive to Mussolinis failed campaign in Greece and Africa, soldiers mass surrendering, tanks and trucks with no fuel or broken down etc ,only the Germans are not going to save mr general secretary Vlad Putins behind as they did with el duce.

That convoy thats closing Kiev is an absurdity, just matter of time till its totally annihiliated by guerilla, drone and airstrikes. IMO Putin should face that his offensive is failed, pull back to the start positions, fortify and ask for peace. 

Do not spoil the surprise. Though only an idiot would be surprised at this point.  

 

8 minutes ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

This aside, is it true that the Germans want disband NATO after seeing Russia military performance, I heard some rumors but I cant find any serious source on this.

 No, not true. It's just a humorous comment on true state of Russian military. 

What is true is that Germany has set themselves the goal of becoming the best armed military in EUrope within 10 years. 

And realistically, EU has to have own army. This situation shows extremely clearly why. 

 

It's almost a shame that Putin won't live long enough to see the full results of his invasion on Ukraine. Including reparations, International court, Ukraine in re-armed EUrope and his name becoming a slur. 

[Coil]

21 hours ago, Myles said:

Out of curiosity, are insurance companies required to replace insured items that are destroyed?

I can't tell if something is insured there.Hardly.

 

Indicate that 33 civilians in Chernihiv died from an air strike.It's kind of a nightmare.

 

 

[Coil]

 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

I hope Putin's death is not a swift, painless one.

[+Razman]

7 hours ago, Myles said:

This article states that the Russians had already captured the ship.   Maybe it was a mine that they hit.

 

https://news.err.ee/1608519392/estonian-owned-cargo-ship-sinking-off-odesa-after-russian-action

 

As of Thursday afternoon, the vessel, a cargo ship named the Helt was sinking, with a heavy list, maritime news site Maritime Bulletin reports, citing Ukrainian sources.

U.K. paper the Daily Mail reported on its website that four crew members were still missing, while two have abandoned ship by using a lifeboat, and that the ship struck a mine after having been hijacked by Russian forces. Reuters also reports mine-strike as the likely cause of the initial explosion.

All six crew members have since been safely accounted for, the Estonian foreign ministry says. None of the six were Estonian citizens, the ministry added.

The Helt had reportedly been captured by the Russian Navy and used by them as a shield from direct fire, the Daily Mail reports, at a time when Russian naval landing craft are reportedly approaching Odesa ahead of an amphibious landing.

Maritime Bulletin reports that the tactic might also have been used as a way of evading radar detection.

Maybe its just a knee jerk reaction, after all , other countries are blocking and seizing their ships. I think i read Germany seized one of their cargo ships.

[DarkHunter]

6 minutes ago, razman said:

Maybe its just a knee jerk reaction, after all , other countries are blocking and seizing their ships. I think i read Germany seized one of their cargo ships.

This is at minimum the third cargo ship that has had a run in with the Russian navy.  On the first or second day they fired on a Moldovan cargo ship, a few days later they fired on a Japanese cargo ship, and now there is this issue with an Estonian cargo ship.

This isnt just a knee jerk reaction.  Even then it's still not clear the ship was sunk by a naval mine cause it was anchored off the coast which makes a mine very unlikely as it either anchored right beside a mine and drifted into it while anchored or a naval mine was drifting free in the black sea and just happened to collide with the cargo ship.

[+Razman]

9 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

This is at minimum the third cargo ship that has had a run in with the Russian navy.  On the first or second day they fired on a Moldovan cargo ship, a few days later they fired on a Japanese cargo ship, and now there is this issue with an Estonian cargo ship.

This isnt just a knee jerk reaction.  Even then it's still not clear the ship was sunk by a naval mine cause it was anchored off the coast which makes a mine very unlikely as it either anchored right beside a mine and drifted into it while anchored or a naval mine was drifting free in the black sea and just happened to collide with the cargo ship.

Well they probably get p***ed off if other countries are blocking or seizing their ships , or just because other countries are arming Ukraine, but the russians are more the violent sort about that kind of thing . more like " vengence". Either way , they aint making any new friends for sure. Of course i'm just speculating around. For all i know they could be trying to pick something with NATO , but there so much news flyin around , its hard to tell whats what.

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by razman

[Occult1]

Reports are that Russian troops have taken Kherson. This is a major city of 300,000 people. It's a significant gain for Russia.  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/03/02/world/europe/kherson-ukraine-russia.amp.html

Edited March 3, 2022 by Occult1

[DarkHunter]

5 minutes ago, razman said:

Well they probably get p***ed off if other countries are blocking or seizing their ships , or just because other countries are arming Ukraine, but the russians are more the violent sort about that kind of thing . more like " vengence". Either way , they aint making any new friends for sure. Of course i'm just speculating around.

The blocking and seizing of Russian ships didnt start till after atleast the Russians firing on the Moldovan and I think Japanese cargo ships.  The seizing, blocking, and expelling are all relatively recent, past 2 or so days, while this stuff has been going on from the very start so it's not Russia responding to some action but arguably trying to provoke something.

[+Razman]

10 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

The blocking and seizing of Russian ships didnt start till after atleast the Russians firing on the Moldovan and I think Japanese cargo ships.  The seizing, blocking, and expelling are all relatively recent, past 2 or so days, while this stuff has been going on from the very start so it's not Russia responding to some action but arguably trying to provoke something.

Yea , they pretty much thugs anyway.

[DarkHunter]

Right now there is a battle going on for the largest nuclear power plant in Europe going on.  Small arms, rpgs, and armored vehicles are being used.  Currently Russian military is trying to enter the nuclear facility but the Ukranians are holding out.  

[+Nuclear Wessel]

@DarkHunter The building is now on fire after significant shelling. They were FIRING INTO THE BUILDING, AIMLESSLY.