Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[DarkHunter]

1 minute ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

@DarkHunter The building is now on fire after significant shelling. They were FIRING INTO THE BUILDING, AIMLESSLY.

I just saw that, while unlikely this could still end up as a Chernobyl 2.0 situation.

[jmccr8]

9 hours ago, Myles said:

That what I was thinking.   Why would they do this unless they feel they couldn't hold the position they are keeping them in.

Hi Myles

From what I saw seems that by contacting the mothers they are trying to bridge and let people know that their child is alive and would be released if the mother came to the Ukraine to pick them up. I think it offers parents relief and information will pass to Russian people about what is really going on.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

Russians are firing on the firefighters. WHAT THE ****

[+susieice]

8 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

I just saw that, while unlikely this could still end up as a Chernobyl 2.0 situation.

Tomorrow's headline.

[+susieice]

1 minute ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Russians are firing on the firefighters. WHAT THE ****

Maybe they want this thing to explode. Nothing they are doing makes sense to a rational person. Send a radiation cloud all over Europe like Chernobyl did.

[Poncho_Peanatus]

26 minutes ago, susieice said:

Maybe they want this thing to explode. Nothing they are doing makes sense to a rational person. Send a radiation cloud all over Europe like Chernobyl did.

As a perfect ignorant, if they make that thing explode or leak or whatever and it emits lots of radiation, could they use it to mask a nuclear attack?

Edited March 4, 2022 by Poncho_Peanatus
typos

[+susieice]

5 minutes ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

As a perfect ignorant, if they make that thing explode or leak or whatever and emits lots of radiation, could use this to mask a nuclear attack?

I don't think you can hide that explosion. It will be picked up by satellites all over the world.

[Poncho_Peanatus]

1 minute ago, susieice said:

I don't think you can hide that explosion. It will be picked up by satellites all over the world.

Right, true. Thank you.

[F3SS]

4 minutes ago, susieice said:

I don't think you can hide that explosion. It will be picked up by satellites all over the world.

And Richter scales. 

[Alchopwn]

12 hours ago, joc said:

   My next question is...what can I do about it?  Can I in anyway effect the war in the Ukraine?  Then answer obviously is no, I cannot.   

That isn't strictly the case.  There are charities you can donate to.  You could buy an airline ticket and go volunteer. If that seems too dangerous there are cyber warfare units you can join online to get involved in various DDOS attacks.

[jmccr8]

I wondered if attacking a nuclear facility would be considered a nuclear attack and oddly enough this came up in the search and thought I would add it .

https://nuclear.foe.org.au/military-and-terrorist-attacks-on-nuclear-plants/

LOS ANGELES – Twenty-eight years after its Chernobyl nuclear plant exploded, Ukraine confronts a nuclear specter of a different kind: the possibility that the country’s reactors could become military targets in the event of a Russian invasion. Speaking at the Nuclear Security Summit in The Hague in March, Andrii Deshchytsia, Ukraine’s acting foreign minister, cited the “potential threat to many nuclear facilities” should events deteriorate into open warfare.
Earlier in the month, Ihor Prokopchuk, Ukraine’s ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency, circulated a letter to the organization’s board of governors warning that an invasion could bring a “threat of radiation contamination on the territory of Ukraine and the territory of neighboring states.” In Kyiv, Ukraine’s parliament responded by calling for international monitors to help protect the plants as the cash-strapped government attempts to boost its own efforts.
Are Ukraine’s concerns mere hyperbole – a “malicious slander,” as the Kremlin puts it – or should we take them seriously? For Ukraine’s government, the angst is real. Even Ukrainians born after 1986 understand what a Chernobyl-type disaster brought about by battle could look like.
History offers little guidance as to whether warring countries would avoid damaging nuclear sites. With the exception of the 1990’s Balkan conflict, wars have not been fought against or within countries with nuclear reactors. In the case of the Balkans, Serbian military jets overflew Slovenia’s Krško nuclear power plant in a threatening gesture early in the conflict, while radical Serbian nationalists called for attacks to release the radioactive contents.

[+susieice]

Russia is making a point of destroying this one.

[Poncho_Peanatus]

maybe they think to use the nuclear plant as to bargain with Zelensky? surrender or we make it go booom

Edited March 4, 2022 by Poncho_Peanatus
typos typos and typos....

[DarkHunter]

33 minutes ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

As a perfect ignorant, if they make that thing explode or leak or whatever and it emits lots of radiation, could they use it to mask a nuclear attack?

The radioactive isotopes from a nuclear reactor and nuclear bomb are different in concentration and the specific isotopes made

[Emma_Acid]

56 minutes ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

As a perfect ignorant, if they make that thing explode or leak or whatever and it emits lots of radiation, could they use it to mask a nuclear attack?

No. Very different isotopes.

[+and-then]

On 3/2/2022 at 6:41 PM, Myles said:

Out of curiosity, are insurance companies required to replace insured items that are destroyed?

Most policies in the U.S. have an exemption for any loss due to war.

[+and-then]

3 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

This is at minimum the third cargo ship that has had a run in with the Russian navy. 

No way all those vessels were Ukraine-flagged.  It sounds like Putin's orders are to shoot at anything in the area of operations and consequences be damned. 

[Myles]

1 hour ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Myles

From what I saw seems that by contacting the mothers they are trying to bridge and let people know that their child is alive and would be released if the mother came to the Ukraine to pick them up. I think it offers parents relief and information will pass to Russian people about what is really going on.

Don't you think it is likely that Russia will make these soldiers rejoin the effort?

[+Nuclear Wessel]

47 minutes ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

maybe they think to use the nuclear plant as to bargain with Zelensky? surrender or we make it go booom

I could see Putin blaming it on the "genocidal Ukrainian neonazis" attacking their own people and Russia as a pretext for issuing an absolute killing blow to Ukraine. It's obvious who it was, but that is the delusional narrative he would try to pull.

Edited March 4, 2022 by Nuclear Wessel

[+susieice]

A little research and it seems the area of Chernobyl is on fire too.

https://news.yahoo.com/forest-fire-near-chernobyl-boosts-122041746.html

[+susieice]

In the beginning of this link is a video that is supposedly from a camera at the nuclear power plant showing a portion of the attack. You'll need to sit through a commercial first.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/video-camera-at-burning-ukrainian-nuclear-power-plant-appears-to-show/

This link's video also shows a bit from the camera.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-are-firing-europes-largest-nuclear-power-plant-ukrainia-rcna18668

Edited March 4, 2022 by susieice

[DarkHunter]

44 minutes ago, and then said:

No way all those vessels were Ukraine-flagged.  It sounds like Putin's orders are to shoot at anything in the area of operations and consequences be damned. 

None of them were Ukranian flagged, the first two were just straight up attacked by Russia.  The third is a more interesting case, this hasnt been confirmed yet but there are some reports that the Russian navy forced the ship to sail threw a region they knew/suspected was mined by Ukraine to help clear the way for an amphibious assault on Odessa.

[DarkHunter]

The attack on the nuclear reactor directly violates one of the Geneva conventions.  Cant remember which one but essentially you cant attack a nuclear power plant unless its majority production on a regular basis directly aids in military operations and the only way to stop its aid is by doing an attack on the nuclear power plant itself.

Off the top of my head the list of Russian war crimes involves firing on civilians, firing on medical personnel, bombing hospitals, purposefully targeting residential areas with artillery, disguising soldiers as non-combatants for military operations, using vehicles marked with the red cross for military operations, some reports of child soldiers (unconfirmed but the soldier looked less than 16 from the pic I saw), and forcing non-combatants into combat operations.  I probably missed a few, not sure if they use thermobaric weapons in a city yet or not, if they have that's another war crime.

Edited March 4, 2022 by DarkHunter

[+joc]

2 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

That isn't strictly the case.  There are charities you can donate to.  You could buy an airline ticket and go volunteer. If that seems too dangerous there are cyber warfare units you can join online to get involved in various DDOS attacks.

 There is nothing I can do to affect the war in the Ukraine.

[Occult1]

3 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

I just saw that, while unlikely this could still end up as a Chernobyl 2.0 situation.

That is why nuclear power is a terrible energy choice. It leaves you vulnerable to natural disasters and... war.