Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Trelane]

13 hours ago, Occult1 said:

 

It was time someone told the truth for once.

The truth has been told for quite a while. Again that's the problem with facts, they don't care about your bias.

Russia illegally invaded a sovereign country and commenced mass killings and torture of those who would not capitulate.

The Russian mobilization is a sham as there simply aren't the logistics to support the effort. Russian military leadership and in-field commanders have repeatedly demonstrated no knowledge of command supply discipline or maintenance programs. That combined with massive logistics failures placed the elite forces initially deployed at a strategic and tactical failure. Poised to lose from the moment they crossed the border. Adding in outdated tactics and no inkling of JFEO. So, no matter how many lawyers, machinists, or students are mobilized they will meet the same fate as the initial forces catastrophic defeat.

 

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by Trelane

[DarkHunter]

18 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

I wouldnt be surprised if russia pull out of Kherson next couple of days.

That isnt really a possibility at this point.  There are only really three bridges over the Dnieper river, two traffic bridges and a rail bridge, that Russia controls in the Kherson front.  All three bridges have been damaged and are no longer usable.  Russia has tried to resupply and reinforce its troops in Kherson by helicopter and pontoon bridge but helicopters, which have started to be shot down, cant supply 20,000 to 30,000 troops alone and the pontoon bridges are quickly destroyed.  At it's most narrow point the Dnieper river is like 800 meters wide so trying to hide any type of pontoon bridge is essentially impossible.  

Russia is probably going to lose it's one bridge crossing at the Nova Khakova damn soon leaving the traffic and rail bridge near the city of Kherson.  Russia might be able to move the soldiers across the bridge by marching, not sure how damaged the bridge is, but military vehicles definitely cant be moved over the Dnieper river now.

The collapse of the Kherson front is going to be quick and a massive defeat for Russia but particularly Putin if the rumors are true.  The rumors are that the Russian generals wanted to fall back to the other side of the Dnieper river months ago and have most of the troops redeployed to around Izium/Donbas region but Putin refused to give up Kherson and was the reason Russian troops in Kherson were doubled despite the extremely high risk of those troops being cut off.

[ThereWeAreThen]

 

[Grey Area]

45 minutes ago, Trelane said:

The truth has been told for quite a while. Again that's the problem with facts, they don't care about your bias.

Russia illegally invaded a sovereign country and commenced mass killings and torture of those who would not capitulate.

The Russian mobilization is a sham as there simply isn't the logistics to support the effort. Russian military leadership and in field commanders have repeatedly demonstrated no knowledge of command supply disciple or maintenance programs. That combined with massive logistics failures placed the elite forces initially deployed at a strategic and tactical failure. Poised to lose from the moment they crossed the border. Adding in outdated tactics and no inkling of JFEO. So, no matter how many lawyers, machinists, or students are mobilized they will meet the same fate as the initial forces catastrophic defeat.

 

 

Not only is the mobilisation a sham, I would suggest that the entire Taskforce is in the east is in the midst of a general Rout.

And this spreads further South the more Ukraine advances.

[Occult1]

2 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

So, for the third time, are you in agreement that Russia should pull out of Ukraine?

 

There are legitimate reasons why Russia decided to invade Ukraine. But it is not for me to decide if it is right or wrong. Since I'm neutral, I think we should listen to both sides.

Should Russia pull out of Ukraine? Sure, I believe there are scenarios where that might be possible and even desirable.  If both sides can find compromises and reach an agreement, peace will be achieved. I remember back in 2014, Russia advocated for federalism in Ukraine, to protect the rights and political autonomy of the Russian-speaking regions. This would have solved the problem in Donbass at the time. Pehaps that's still a solution?

Edited October 4, 2022 by Occult1

[ThereWeAreThen]

 

[Occult1]

Russia's nuclear threat must be taken seriously - German foreign minister

''BERLIN, Oct 4 (Reuters) - German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said that while Russia's threat to resort to nuclear weapons must be taken seriously, the international community has made clear that it won't be daunted by them. 

"It's not the first time (Russian President Vladimir) Putin has resorted to such threats, they are irresponsible and we must take them seriously," said Baerbock during a visit to Warsaw on Tuesday.''

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-nuclear-threat-must-be-taken-seriously-german-foreign-minister-2022-10-04/

[ThereWeAreThen]

There is talks of a possible counter offensive to Meltipol. Meltipol is currently controlled by ruskies, its a massive logistics hub. If ukraine manages to liberate it, the south of Ukraine will be liberated aswell.

[Trelane]

37 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

There are legitimate reasons why Russia decided to invade Ukraine. But it is not for me to decide if it is right or wrong. Since I'm neutral, I think we should listen to both sides.

Should Russia pull out of Ukraine? Sure, I believe there are scenarios where that might be possible and even desirable.  If both sides can find compromises and reach an agreement, peace will be achieved. I remember back in 2014, Russia advocated for federalism in Ukraine, to protect the rights and political autonomy of the Russian-speaking regions. This would have solved the problem in Donbass at the time. Pehaps that's still a solution?

There was no legitimate reason for the invasion. That is the exact deranged mentality of Vladdy, and that has been proven to be wrong. He was wrong in 2014 and he is wrong now. His illegal invasion/annexation can't be handwaved as "legitimate" . That is sheer stupidity and outright lying. he can't even keep his story straight. 

You are certainly not neutral. You have not been nor does anyone here think you are. So, you can spare us with nonsense qualifying statements like that.

 

[ThereWeAreThen]

1 minute ago, Trelane said:

There was no legitimate reason for the invasion. That is the exact deranged mentality of Vladdy, and that has been proven to be wrong. He was wrong in 2014 and he is wrong now. His illegal invasion/annexation can't be handwaved as "legitimate" . That is sheer stupidity and outright lying. he can't even keep his story straight. 

You are certainly not neutral. You have not been nor does anyone here think you are. So, you can spare us with nonsense qualifying statements like that.

 

The same people who say this is a NATO proxy war dont realise that russia have been backing proxies in Eastern Ukraine since 2014. If this is a proxy war (its not) its Russia's proxy war.

[Trelane]

49 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

The same people who say this is a NATO proxy war dont realise that russia have been backing proxies in Eastern Ukraine since 2014. If this is a proxy war (its not) its Russia's proxy war.

Elements from the Putin regime have had proxies in action since he took office all those years ago.  

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

3 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

Could you perhaps tell me who the warmongers are ?

@Occult1 will you answer my question ?

[ThereWeAreThen]

 

[ThereWeAreThen]

12 minutes ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

@Occult1 will you answer my question ?

No. 

[ThereWeAreThen]

Theyve liberated alot recently.

[ThereWeAreThen]

Russian collapse continues.

[acidhead]

22 hours ago, Tiggs said:

Well, he is a leading expert in failed takeovers.

 

Hahaha 

Edited October 4, 2022 by acidhead

[+Nuclear Wessel]

1 hour ago, Occult1 said:

There are legitimate reasons why Russia decided to invade Ukraine.

No.

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But it is not for me to decide if it is right or wrong. 

I am merely asking your thoughts on the matter - i.e. whether you think they should pull out of Ukraine. I'm not asking about moral relativism here. It was really a question that could be answered with a simple "Yes" or "No".

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Should Russia pull out of Ukraine? Sure,

So, yes. They should pull out of Ukraine. Thank you.

[pellinore]

1 hour ago, Grey Area said:

Not only is the mobilisation a sham, I would suggest that the entire Taskforce is in the east is in the midst of a general Rout.

And this spreads further South the more Ukraine advances.

I was just about to post that the mobilisation is a sham. The recruits they have managed to muster so far have been at least 50% unfit, too old, or otherwise useless as front line troops, and that's Russia figures. By NATO standards they would all be unacceptable. The young, educated people that are needed to use modern weapons and tactics are refusing to fight in Ukraine. Their command and training structure is shot. Corruption means that equipment is either obsolete, ill-maintained or "missing".

Likewise, the nuclear weapons being used to posture at the moment- it is just bluff. 

And someone posted above that Russia should be allowed to keep Crimea- why? The retreats that started in the NE is turning into a rout infecting the SW. Kherson will be taken soon. The US is still supplying modern weapons and has pledged to continue til the end.

Putin should now be seriously considering his way out. (Out of Russia I mean, not just Ukraine). 

[ThereWeAreThen]

 

[Helen of Annoy]

 

49 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Hahaha 

It seems you didn't understand that it means his lawyers are certain he'd lose in court. 

So, yeah, ahahahhahahhhhaaa... 

[Helen of Annoy]

Another reminder - this is what putin's groupies support. This is what they want you to surrender to. 

Let an orc pull your teeth out. Do not resist or you're a warmonger and a Nazi. 

And they're so ****ing stupid they think such retarded manipulation will work. **** for brains. Fortunately.   

 

[Helen of Annoy]

    

[ThereWeAreThen]

 

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