Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Helen of Annoy]

2 hours ago, and-then said:

Aunty, I'd say the evidence of who is and isn't consumed on this issue is pretty clear.  Your post count on this thread probably sets a record in the 10 years or so I've been here.  I stopped paying much attention to it at about the time I twigged to how much our lying, slandering, western media was pushing it as a narrative. 

FTR, I don't hate either one of those populations.  I also don't feel responsible for the suffering of either one.  You, and probably half a dozen others here seem to have lost all perspective in your joy over the deaths of "orcs".  Dehumanizing is the first step on the road to genocide but I guess genocide is only bad if you don't hate those who are dying.  Innit?  

Oh, so orcs who behave like orcs being called orcs is a genocide but invading Ukraine, raping even children, murdering, mutilating, burning, looting, denying Ukrainian statehood, electrocuting, starving, torturing even animals not to mention everyone again children included too - how is that not a genocide in your trumper book?

These cuckers who filled your head with such pro-orc crap are doing that for money, but what's your excuse for agreeing to act as if you can't see what you're doing? 

I'll keep setting records. Until I'm banned. (You were close for a couple of times. I wonder what has changed.) Because there's orc plague attacking Ukraine openly and infiltrating our countries creepingly. I'll do anything I can think of against you until the day I die. 

And if you don't like hearing the word "orc", I can accommodate you and call the poopler's genocidal hordes "rabid russian swinedogs". Better?  

[Unusual Tournament]

For those interested, the list of recently pledged weapons from NATO donors to Ukraine 

Challenger 2s.
 - AS90s.
 - HATVs.
 - CV90 IFVs.  
 - Archer SPGs.
 - AMX 10-RCs. 
 - Marder IFVs.
 - Bradley IFVs.
 - 155 mm FH70s.
 - CAESAR SPHs. 
 - Mi-17s / Mi-8s. 
 - PATRIOTs.
 + MORE (ammo, missiles

Edited January 19, 2023 by Unusual Tournament

[Helen of Annoy]

 

Clickable. No orc corpses visible. (Music is absolutely amusingly appropriate. Rammstein*, Ramstein. lol. I know pro-orcs don't get it. It makes it more enjoyable. I love making evil idiots realize they're recognized as evil idiots.)

* Ukrainian version

Edited January 19, 2023 by Helen of Annoy

[DarkHunter]

America is sending 59 Bradley IFVs, 90 Strykers, 53 MRAPs, 8 Avengers, and 350 Humvees.

Ukraine is going to a very interesting mechanized and armored force before too long

[Trelane]

4 hours ago, and-then said:

Irresponsible to want those who caused the destruction of my nation and family to pay their dues too?  I disagree.  I also think you are confusing an opinion with a threat.  For the record, I don't have any spare nukes laying about.  Oh, and don't misstate my words.  I have never "wished for nuclear war".  Go back and read what I wrote and stop misrepresenting it.

I think destruction is an incorrect term. The country still exists. Maybe not in the manner you like, but it's still here. As i see that it's your domestic political issue you seem to have, I would also ask you as well to keep that separate from the main topic at hand here. The sub forums for US politics are more appropriate for all of that. 

[Trelane]

52 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

America is sending 59 Bradley IFVs, 90 Strykers, 53 MRAPs, 8 Avengers, and 350 Humvees.

Ukraine is going to a very interesting mechanized and armored force before too long

That equipment alone, if properly deployed, will be an interesting counter punch to any offensive operation the Russian forces attempt to mount. 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

6 hours ago, Occult1 said:

I don't see you throwing a fit over that.

Probably because this is a thread about Ukraine… your consistent whataboutisms are tiring. 

[+and-then]

5 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

the simple question how many times does colonel MacGregor have to be wrong before you stop accepting him as a reliable source.

I hardly characterize asking for some honesty over ONE quite simple question to be "interrogation".  The fact that most here refuse to touch it tells me all I need to know about their mindset on this war.  They - that includes YOU - seem perfectly content to roll the dice with the death of MILLIONS of people just so their "team" wins.  

MacGregor is far from being the only pundit out there with a dissenting opinion.  The bottom line for me, and I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this a few times, is that I THINK THE LEGACY MEDIA that you people worship, is so full of crap they aren't worth listening to.  But hey, that's just me.  So, you folks keep up the bloodlust and the dehumanizing and maybe you'll get the genocide you want.  That's it for me, I'm out of this BS thread.  Enjoy yourselves with the circle jerk of hate you're engaged in.

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Trelane said:

The country still exists.

Try reading the words I wrote, and that YOU BOLDED, once more, slowly.  There's a two-letter qualifier word you keep leaving out of my context.  I SAID "IF".  I meant it and I have no regrets for saying it.  The people in DC are bleeding Ukraine white for their utility as a proxy and to enrich themselves with kickbacks.  IMO, everyone who is cheering it along are FARRR from being friends of Ukraine.  

[Trelane]

2 minutes ago, and-then said:

Try reading the words I wrote, and that YOU BOLDED, once more, slowly.  There's a two-letter qualifier word you keep leaving out of my context.  I SAID "IF".  I meant it and I have no regrets for saying it.  The people in DC are bleeding Ukraine white for their utility as a proxy and to enrich themselves with kickbacks.  IMO, everyone who is cheering it along are FARRR from being friends of Ukraine.  

Again, your rhetoric about US governmental policies as you perceive them is more appropriate those specific sub forums. Thanks for reading my comment.

[DarkHunter]

It seems Lithuania's defense minister has said that tomorrow during a meeting of defense ministers from various countries at Ramstein airbase in Germany that multiple countries are going to announce sending Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine.

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but earlier, I believe it was the Polish president, but it might of been Poland's defense minister, said that Poland is going to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine and Germany can either approve the transfer quickly or that Poland will do what is right 

[jmccr8]

7 hours ago, and-then said:

Irresponsible to want those who caused the destruction of my nation and family to pay their dues too?  I disagree.  I also think you are confusing an opinion with a threat.  For the record, I don't have any spare nukes laying about.  Oh, and don't misstate my words.  I have never "wished for nuclear war".  Go back and read what I wrote and stop misrepresenting it.

Hi And Then

You sure sounded like a cheerleader, DC isn’t full of just the party you don’t like and neutralizing it would take out a lot of people you support.

[jmccr8]

7 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Lavrov says Russia will "sober up" NATO and EU

''Jan 19 (Reuters) - Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Thursday that Moscow would do all it could to "sober up" the European Union and NATO, which he accused of setting out to weaken and defeat Russia.

His comments came on the same day that former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev warned NATO that a defeat for Russia in Ukraine could trigger a nuclear war.

Nearly 11 months after invading Ukraine, Russia is increasingly presenting the war to its own people as an existential battle with the West. In televised comments, Lavrov said Moscow would set out to disabuse Western politicians of their "presumptuous" and "colonial" attitudes to Russia.''

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/lavrov-says-russia-will-sober-up-nato-eu-2023-01-19/

 

Are we playing a dangerous game by undermining Russia?

Hi Occult

Russia doesn’t need help undermining itself, they put the bullet in the revolver and are playing Russian roulette all by themselves.

[Occult1]

CIA director briefed Zelensky on US expectations for Russia’s battlefield planning

''CIA Director Bill Burns briefed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Kyiv last week on the US’ expectations for Russia’s battlefield planning in the spring, according to a US official and two Ukrainian sources familiar with the meeting.

The secret meeting comes as US officials are closely monitoring a potential Russian offensive in the coming months – and in the midst of a fraught debate between the US and its European allies over whether to send increasingly sophisticated and long-range weaponry to Ukraine. Western defense leaders are scheduled to meet Friday to discuss further weapons shipments to Ukraine.

“Director Burns traveled to Kyiv where he met with Ukrainian intelligence counterparts as well as President Zelensky and reinforced our continued support for Ukraine in its defense against Russian aggression,” a US official said in a statement. ''

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/19/politics/cia-director-burns-zelensky-meeting-ukraine/index.html

 

For those trying to argue that US governmental policies have 'nothing to do' with this thread.

[jmccr8]

22 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

CIA director briefed Zelensky on US expectations for Russia’s battlefield planning

''CIA Director Bill Burns briefed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Kyiv last week on the US’ expectations for Russia’s battlefield planning in the spring, according to a US official and two Ukrainian sources familiar with the meeting.

The secret meeting comes as US officials are closely monitoring a potential Russian offensive in the coming months – and in the midst of a fraught debate between the US and its European allies over whether to send increasingly sophisticated and long-range weaponry to Ukraine. Western defense leaders are scheduled to meet Friday to discuss further weapons shipments to Ukraine.

“Director Burns traveled to Kyiv where he met with Ukrainian intelligence counterparts as well as President Zelensky and reinforced our continued support for Ukraine in its defense against Russian aggression,” a US official said in a statement. ''

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/19/politics/cia-director-burns-zelensky-meeting-ukraine/index.html

 

For those trying to argue that US governmental policies have 'nothing to do' with this thread.

Hi Occult

Yes American and other NATO members government policies have something to do with this thread and no one has suggested otherwise. It would be prudent to say those policies did not and were not why this was started and are about supporting a nation that has been illegally invaded.

You might think you are twisting your blade in the back of the west but with your chicken wings don’t have the strength to push it in past the leather jacket so are just twisting air.

[Duke Wellington]

2 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Occult

Yes American and other NATO members government policies have something to do with this thread and no one has suggested otherwise. It would be prudent to say those policies did not and were not why this was started and are about supporting a nation that has been illegally invaded.

You might think you are twisting your blade in the back of the west but with your chicken wings don’t have the strength to push it in past the leather jacket so are just twisting air.

I find him quite objective instead of being swept along by irrationality.

Where as some posters try to apply black and white thinking.

[jmccr8]

12 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

I find him quite objective instead of being swept along by irrationality.

Where as some posters try to apply black and white thinking.

Hi Cookie

Yes usually books have writing on both side of the pages and just reading from one side of the page is not objective representation of what is known to be in the book.

War and oppression is not pretty and never has been, some of us have been trained to deal with the costs and effects of war. I lived on a different battlefield in life after I was in the military and spent decades in active duty even though I was a one man army. Because of respect I had allies that I never personally asked to be my back and yet on occasion people did speak to other people on my behalf.

This is what is happening in the Ukraine it is an independent and not part of anyone’s gang yet they have a value to everyone in one sense or the other. Russia tried to invade/possess the Ukraine and they did not fold or surrender, they showed their mettle and respect given so the West decided to help them stay independent. The west has spoken and with a unified voice. Occult and a couple of others are a minority in a democratic system if he doesn’t like things he can vote at home to change things minority that he/they are. You remind me of a lawyer I once had that would one day be pumped and the next day acted like I should bring my own rope to the hanging. I used him to achieve a goal and let him go before trial because I knew if I let him represent me he would fry my ass. He showed up at the trial to watch and I got the 2 weeks instead of the 6 months he was shooting for because he couldn’t believe that I could get the 2 weeks.

I look at both sides and there is nothing to suggest Russia has made any rational decisions from the start and the forecast is they fkd themselves. There is no justification for how Russia started this conflict or the criminal acts they have committed.

I told you before that everyone is fortunate that I am not directing countermeasures I come from a long line of fighters that think if you weigh 50 lbs more than me your nuts are fair game and I will get them with a smile while I give you a firm handshake  and a knee with a twitch.

[pellinore]

21m ago13.12 GMT

Germany’s foreign intelligence service (BND) is alarmed by the losses the Ukrainian army is suffering in the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, according to a report.

Ukraine’s army is losing a three-digit number of soldiers every day fighting against Russian forces in Bakhmut, Der Spiegel reported, citing information it had received.

The Russian capture of Bakhmut would have significant consequences as it would allow Russia to make further advances, the BND warned.

It comes after Russian proxy forces in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) in the Donbas region said they had taken control of Klishchiivka, a small settlement south of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine.

Russia-Ukraine war live: Moscow warns west will ‘regret’ sending military aid as Zelenskiy pleads with Germany and allies to send tanks (theguardian.com)

Edited January 20, 2023 by pellinore

[Helen of Annoy]

8 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

I find him quite objective instead of being swept along by irrationality.

Where as some posters try to apply black and white thinking.

Personally, I'm black and blue thinking. In the sense that every pro-orc should have basic decency beaten into them  

Seriously now, this is a black and white situation. On one side, russian orcs who invaded other people's homes, raping, torturing, mutilating, murdering, their leaders lying and ordering assassinations, breaking every law and custom there is... on the other side, Ukrainians who fight for survival in their own homes. 

No ethical dilemma there. 

Arm Ukraine to the teeth, so they can kick russian teeth out.  

[Helen of Annoy]

2 hours ago, pellinore said:

21m ago13.12 GMT

Germany’s foreign intelligence service (BND) is alarmed by the losses the Ukrainian army is suffering in the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, according to a report.

Ukraine’s army is losing a three-digit number of soldiers every day fighting against Russian forces in Bakhmut, Der Spiegel reported, citing information it had received.

The Russian capture of Bakhmut would have significant consequences as it would allow Russia to make further advances, the BND warned.

It comes after Russian proxy forces in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) in the Donbas region said they had taken control of Klishchiivka, a small settlement south of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine.

Russia-Ukraine war live: Moscow warns west will ‘regret’ sending military aid as Zelenskiy pleads with Germany and allies to send tanks (theguardian.com)

BND should be alarmed with all the russian assets they employ, that are apparently reading russian fairytales to the journalists.

 

Speaking of Germany and the complications stemming from their russian infestation, Olaf won't sign the release of Leopards (unless something changed by the time I'm writing this) but the official member of russian-German friendship club (I'm not kidding), new MoD of Germany, keeps saying that countries who want to send Leopards to Ukraine can do that without official German approval. 

So is this a sort of waiver or what, who knows. I think Olaf doesn't know either. The logic seems to be: Olaf won't give an approval for tanks, but he also sends the message that he can't stop anyone from doing anything they want. 

Olaf has reached the peak passivity. 

To make things more bizarre, German aid is serious, IRIS, additional munitions, more Gepards etc. But no Leopards. So it's that insane idea of offensive and defensive weapons. Very weird. 

Edited January 20, 2023 by Helen of Annoy
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[Helen of Annoy]

Speaking of numbers, russians now lose more than 700 orcs a day, mostly in futile meat waves "storming" Ukrainian positions. (It's now the same in Zaporizhzhia direction, not just Bakhmut direction.)

I'd love to post some videos, just to make trumpers cry a bit better informed, because they apparently never saw how their russian army really performs. 

[Helen of Annoy]

russians claim they already destroyed the first Abrams tank (yes, you read that right. no, they're not right in their heads.), in Soledar, and as a proof published the photo of an actual Abrams, only that one belonged to Iraqi army and was destroyed in Iraq some 12 or so years ago.  

I can think of few people who will believe russians are telling the truth because they believed in even stupider russian lies before.  

[Helen of Annoy]

 

[Helen of Annoy]

 

[godnodog]

Portugal is sending an extra 14 armored vehicle M113, plus 120mm ammunition.

Plus 8 large capacity power generators and medical material.

Edited January 20, 2023 by godnodog