Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Helen of Annoy]

 

[Occult1]

4 hours ago, pellinore said:

21m ago13.12 GMT

Germany’s foreign intelligence service (BND) is alarmed by the losses the Ukrainian army is suffering in the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, according to a report.

Ukraine’s army is losing a three-digit number of soldiers every day fighting against Russian forces in Bakhmut, Der Spiegel reported, citing information it had received.

The Russian capture of Bakhmut would have significant consequences as it would allow Russia to make further advances, the BND warned.

It comes after Russian proxy forces in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) in the Donbas region said they had taken control of Klishchiivka, a small settlement south of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine.

Russia-Ukraine war live: Moscow warns west will ‘regret’ sending military aid as Zelenskiy pleads with Germany and allies to send tanks (theguardian.com)

Bakhmut is becoming very unsustainable.

The Russian forces and moving in to completely surround the city. They keep adding manpower and reserve to press for more assaults.

Edited January 20, 2023 by Occult1

[bmk1245]

7 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

 

Green grass suggests it was long time ago.

[Occult1]

Russia-Ukraine live: ‘Difficult’ to eject Russian troops, US says

‘Very difficult’ to eject Russian forces this year, US general says

US General Mark Milley expressed strong doubt that Ukraine would succeed in driving Russian troops out its territory this year.

At a US-hosted meeting on Ukraine in Germany, Milley told reporters, “From a military standpoint, I still maintain that for this year it would be very, very difficult to militarily eject the Russian forces from all, every inch of … Russian-occupied Ukraine.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/1/20/russia-ukraine-live-news-west-to-decide-on-fresh-arms-pledges

 

Looks like an admission that it will be near impossible to completely push Russia out of Ukraine.

Negotiation seems to be only way to end this conflict.

Edited January 20, 2023 by Occult1

[Helen of Annoy]

32 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

Green grass suggests it was long time ago.

It would still be wonderful. 

But it's also Berdyansk, so the Black Sea coast. Or near. There should be green grass even right now. 

[godnodog]

37 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

Green grass suggests it was long time ago.

Probably only now did they have visual confirmation.

[Helen of Annoy]

36 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Russia-Ukraine live: ‘Difficult’ to eject Russian troops, US says

Looks like an admission that it will be near impossible to completely push Russia out of Ukraine.

Negotiation seems to be only way to end this conflict.

Look again. 

 

[bmk1245]

8 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

It would still be wonderful. 

But it's also Berdyansk, so the Black Sea coast. Or near. There should be green grass even right now. 

In december and january there were freezing temps (up to -10C). You can check weather history on ventusky.com

 

[Black Red Devil]

48 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Russia-Ukraine live: ‘Difficult’ to eject Russian troops, US says

‘Very difficult’ to eject Russian forces this year, US general says

US General Mark Milley expressed strong doubt that Ukraine would succeed in driving Russian troops out its territory this year.

At a US-hosted meeting on Ukraine in Germany, Milley told reporters, “From a military standpoint, I still maintain that for this year it would be very, very difficult to militarily eject the Russian forces from all, every inch of … Russian-occupied Ukraine.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/1/20/russia-ukraine-live-news-west-to-decide-on-fresh-arms-pledges

 

Looks like an admission that it will be near impossible to completely push Russia out of Ukraine.

Negotiation seems to be only way to end this conflict.

Only of the Ukranians decide to do so.

Wallace: We’re in it for the long haul

Defence ministers from around the world will gather at the US airbase in Ramstein in Germany on Friday to make it clear to President Vladimir Putin that they stand by Ukraine, Britain's Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says.

President Putin is banking on us getting bored this year. He’s wrong. We will plan for this year and next year and the year after.

He adds: We’re in it for the long haul.

It is now time to turn the momentum that Ukrainians have achieved and to make sure Russia “understands that the purpose now is to push them back out of Ukraine” and to restore Ukraine’s sovereignty, he says.

link

[Helen of Annoy]

5 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

In december and january there were freezing temps (up to -10C). You can check weather history on ventusky.com

 

Berdyansk. It went down to -2C, as I can see. Approximately a bit warmer than on my mountain (at Adriatic coast, which is warmer but up here it's colder because it's higher) and my grass is shamelessly green. 

But it doesn't matter, I'm perfectly happy with an older bavovna too. Especially that deep in orc infested area. 

[Black Red Devil]

Also from the same link above:

UK to send 600 Brimstone missiles to help Ukraine.

I think these are Brimstone 2's that have a range of 20km and are quite efficient anti-tank missiles.

[Helen of Annoy]

 

[Occult1]

12 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

Only of the Ukranians decide to do so.

Wallace: We’re in it for the long haul

Defence ministers from around the world will gather at the US airbase in Ramstein in Germany on Friday to make it clear to President Vladimir Putin that they stand by Ukraine, Britain's Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says.

President Putin is banking on us getting bored this year. He’s wrong. We will plan for this year and next year and the year after.

He adds: We’re in it for the long haul.

It is now time to turn the momentum that Ukrainians have achieved and to make sure Russia “understands that the purpose now is to push them back out of Ukraine” and to restore Ukraine’s sovereignty, he says.

link

If Ukrainian forces can't push Russia completely out Ukraine this year, what makes you believe they will able to do it next year, or in 3 years?

Looks like Russia is also in for the long haul. As someone here pointed out, they are mobilizing a huge army for offensive operations while reinforcing their defenses.

It's pretty obvious that this conflict cannot be solved only by military means. There will need to be negotiation with Russia before war fatigue sets in.

Edited January 20, 2023 by Occult1

[Unusual Tournament]

3 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

Also from the same link above:

UK to send 600 Brimstone missiles to help Ukraine.

I think these are Brimstone 2's that have a range of 20km and are quite efficient anti-tank missiles.

Tanks used as offensive weapons are long over now that anti-tank missiles have developed such accuracy and long ranges. These brimstones need drones to act as spotters 

[Duke Wellington]

10 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Cookie

Yes usually books have writing on both side of the pages and just reading from one side of the page is not objective representation of what is known to be in the book.

War and oppression is not pretty and never has been, some of us have been trained to deal with the costs and effects of war. I lived on a different battlefield in life after I was in the military and spent decades in active duty even though I was a one man army. Because of respect I had allies that I never personally asked to be my back and yet on occasion people did speak to other people on my behalf.

This is what is happening in the Ukraine it is an independent and not part of anyone’s gang yet they have a value to everyone in one sense or the other. Russia tried to invade/possess the Ukraine and they did not fold or surrender, they showed their mettle and respect given so the West decided to help them stay independent. The west has spoken and with a unified voice. Occult and a couple of others are a minority in a democratic system if he doesn’t like things he can vote at home to change things minority that he/they are. You remind me of a lawyer I once had that would one day be pumped and the next day acted like I should bring my own rope to the hanging. I used him to achieve a goal and let him go before trial because I knew if I let him represent me he would fry my ass. He showed up at the trial to watch and I got the 2 weeks instead of the 6 months he was shooting for because he couldn’t believe that I could get the 2 weeks.

I look at both sides and there is nothing to suggest Russia has made any rational decisions from the start and the forecast is they fkd themselves. There is no justification for how Russia started this conflict or the criminal acts they have committed.

I told you before that everyone is fortunate that I am not directing countermeasures I come from a long line of fighters that think if you weigh 50 lbs more than me your nuts are fair game and I will get them with a smile while I give you a firm handshake  and a knee with a twitch.

Get away with you.

[Occult1]

From the Daily Mail:

Putin plan's to surround Ukraine: Russia is preparing major three-pronged attack from Belarus as well as east and south…while the West bickers over supplying tanks

Ukraine is bracing itself for a major Russian offensive within weeks as Vladimir Putin bids to turn the tide of the war with a devastating three-pronged assault.

An advisor to Volodymyr Zelensky has revealed Kyiv is anticipating an attack from the north in Belarus, from Russian strongholds of Donetsk and Luhansk in the east, and in the south from the Crimean peninsula.

If successful, Moscow's troops would encircle the defending forces in the pincer movement which would drive back Ukraine after a series of advances in recent months.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11658543/Russia-preparing-major-three-pronged-attack-Belarus-east-south.html

 

Some people might question the source but there's some interesting information in there on where this might be heading.

Edited January 20, 2023 by Occult1

[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said:

 

They could almost have their shorts and t-shirts on there.

[Black Red Devil]

1 minute ago, Occult1 said:

If Ukrainian forces can't push Russia completely out Ukraine this year, what makes you believe they will able to do it next year, or in 3 years?

Looks like Russia is also in for the long haul. As someone here pointed out, they are mobilizing a huge army for offensive operations while reinforcing their defenses.

It's pretty obvious that this conflict cannot be solved only by military means. We'll have to negotiate with Russia before war fatigue sets in.

As I said, only if the Ukranians decide to do so and it appears to me they have no intentions in giving up an inch of their land to Putin.  Likewise NATO just keeps on increasing their support, so I'm more inclined to believe the Russians will pay a heavy price for their aggression once thay are defeated.  I'll go on record by suggesting that if the Ukranians resist and push the Russians back from Bakhmut (looks very unlikely at this stage), it will be a massive morale killer to Putin and his mob which could be a decisive moment in this war.

[Unusual Tournament]

7 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

If Ukrainian forces can't push Russia completely out Ukraine this year, what makes you believe they will able to do it next year, or in 3 years?

Looks like Russia is also in for the long haul. As someone here pointed out, they are mobilizing a huge army for offensive operations while reinforcing their defenses.

It's pretty obvious that this conflict cannot be solved only by military means. There will need to be negotiation with Russia before war fatigue sets in.

Ukraine needs air power not tanks. F-16 to take out Russian radar, SAM’s and logistics with long range weapons and A-10’s to work the edge’s. 

[Helen of Annoy]

1 minute ago, Occult1 said:

From the Daily Mail:

Some people might question the source but there is some interesting information of where this might be heading in there.

 

No one questions Daily Fail. It's an unquestionable garbage. 

[Unusual Tournament]

3 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

As I said, only if the Ukranians decide to do so and it appears to me they have no intentions in giving up an inch of their land to Putin.  Likewise NATO just keeps on increasing their support, so I'm more inclined to believe the Russians will pay a heavy price for their aggression once thay are defeated.  I'll go on record by suggesting that if the Ukranians resist and push the Russians back from Bakhmut (looks very unlikely at this stage), it will be a massive morale killer to Putin and his mob which could be a decisive moment in this war.

AirPower will change the fortunes of this war not WW1 trench warfare or WW2 armoured vehicles tactics 

Edited January 20, 2023 by Unusual Tournament

[Black Red Devil]

6 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Tanks used as offensive weapons are long over now that anti-tank missiles have developed such accuracy and long ranges. These brimstones need drones to act as spotters 

Apparently the Ukranians have been using the older version Brimstones efficiently up to now mounted on vehicles.

[Black Red Devil]

4 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

AirPower will change the fortunes of this war not WW1 trench warfare or WW2 armoured vehicles tactics 

You can't invade and conquer only with Airpower.  You eventually need boots on the ground.

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, Black Red Devil said:

Apparently the Ukranians have been using the older version Brimstones efficiently up to now mounted on vehicles.

Within visual sight that can work but to use the full 20 km function of the missile you would need a drone or spotter to give an exact location to the brimstone missile operator. 

[Helen of Annoy]

9 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Ukraine needs air power not tanks. F-16 to take out Russian radar, SAM’s and logistics with long range weapons and A-10’s to work the edge’s. 

So why do you think Ukrainian command requested tanks?

Rhetorical question. I'm just reminding you that bizarre belief in air power alone is bizarre. 

Also, Ukraine needs both tanks and air power. Obviously. Logically. And every-****ing-thing else. 

Which reminds me russian ships are not in harbours, despite the weather. It's almost as if they expect they might spontaneously combust. I don't know why it crossed my mind. Maybe it's just because it's about time some of them are sunk.