Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[pellinore]

Sanctions are starting to take effect:

 

[Helen of Annoy]

I'll try not responding to idiotic russian propaganda, because explaining to them just how imbecile are their theories may create an illusion of possible validity among morons. 

(Such as russians wondering why Ukraine didn't use the railway which was out of use at the time and needed reconstruction first, or why would Ukraine need tanks.)

 

But speaking of tanks, Leopards in particular, the training of Ukrainian crews will start (which means it probably started a while ago) despite Scholz being a russian tool. 

[Helen of Annoy]

An example of russian nazism. That's what pro-russians, both leftards and trumpers, support. 

 

[Helen of Annoy]

 

So no one wonders lately why their pro-orc efforts made them a life-long pariah. 

[Myles]

27 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

An example of russian nazism. That's what pro-russians, both leftards and trumpers, support. 

 

never surprised when someone brings Trump into a thread that has nothing to do with him.  

Personally I do not support Russia or Trump.  

[bmk1245]

14 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Bmk

The picture is likely to show what the unit looks like and not of the unit destroyed

Could be.

[bmk1245]

Kinda funny... From "We'll take Kiiv in three day" in Feb 2022, to Pantsir C1 on the rooftop in Moscow, Jan 2023...

On the serious note, its very dissapointing still seeing reluctance of West to supply Ukraine with tanks, jetfighters, and, especially, long range (150km, 300km or so) munition/missiles. Long range missiles should had been delivered back in summer of 2022. That would have saved many Ukrainian (civilian, military) lives.

For those who still paint their underware in brown, I have a question: have you seen nukes flying around when russky territory (Belgorod county) being bavovned by Ukrainians? So, take a chill pill, russkys won't use nuclear weapons for the reason all their oligarchs/high commanders have settled lives of their offsprings (there's russky word for these offsprings - выблядки) in western countries through offshore companies. 

[bmk1245]

38 minutes ago, Myles said:

never surprised when someone brings Trump into a thread that has nothing to do with him.  

Personally I do not support Russia or Trump.  

I'll be chastised, but heck, why not... Shorty emperor putler wouldn't had invaded Ukraine with Trump in power, IMHO. Both Trump and putler are bullies, and shorter bully usually is afraid of larger bully (laws of nature). What greenlighted invasion, was Biden's slip of the tongue, paraphrasing "Let them invade, then we will decide what to do". Honestly, russkys saw Biden as a weak leader, hence we have what we have today...

[godnodog]

10 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Sure there is. The Russians have mined the entire Ukraine coast and the Turks shut off the straits to foreign warships. Create a problem then propose a solution. The grain and agricultural produce can just as easily make its way to Romania and loaded aboard ships. You can send some through Poland and Croatia (thou I’m afraid @Helen of Annoy will meet the trucks and trains and give them all an earful). 

No there isn't, this is why an agreement was reach between Russia and Ukraine with Turkish mediation. Railroad network and road network is not prepared/designed for the needed scale.

[godnodog]

9 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I just had a thought.

What if NATO admits Ukraine at “the last second”? Perhaps I’ll put my conspiracy theorist hat on for a second.

What if some deals have been made to evict Turkey from NATO and subsequently admit Finland, Sweden, and Ukraine into NATO (since Turkey seems to be the most problematic country within the organization), effective immediately? Obviously I haven’t worked the kinks out (this is basically me throwing crap at the wall), but it would be an interesting turn of events if there exists some kind of a “collective” plan for NATO to weaken Russia by allowing them to do basically everything they’ve been doing, only to have their entire campaign nullified once they decide to deliver the killing blow, which would be to admit Ukraine into NATO.

There are probably a number of issues with my idea, but I think it would be fascinating to see it played out like that.

Nato treaty, if I am not mistaken, does not have expel clauses, but I might be mistaken l.

[godnodog]

3 hours ago, pellinore said:

Sanctions are starting to take effect:

 

Oh how I wish my boss would give me access to the system to do that....ooppss talked to much

[godnodog]

37 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

I'll be chastised, but heck, why not... Shorty emperor putler wouldn't had invaded Ukraine with Trump in power, IMHO. Both Trump and putler are bullies, and shorter bully usually is afraid of larger bully (laws of nature). What greenlighted invasion, was Biden's slip of the tongue, paraphrasing "Let them invade, then we will decide what to do". Honestly, russkys saw Biden as a weak leader, hence we have what we have today...

I disagree, I think Trump publicly would not condemned Russia the way Biden or any other, specially Republican, President.

Trump even said at the beginning he thought it was a  brilliant move from Pudding.

[godnodog]

19 hours ago, godnodog said:

Portugal is sending an extra 14 armored vehicle M113, plus 120mm ammunition.

Plus 8 large capacity power generators and medical material.

Reporters here in Pt are saying that Portugal will send Leopard tanks, its a matter of time and quantity.

[bmk1245]

3 minutes ago, godnodog said:

I disagree, I think Trump publicly would not condemned Russia the way Biden or any other, specially Republican, President.

[...]

OK, I have opinion, you have opinion, lets leave it at.

3 minutes ago, godnodog said:

[...] Trump even said at the beginning he thought it was a  brilliant move from Pudding.

In the sence, it was brilliant move: weak (from russky standpoint) US president, Teutons (major player in EU) sucking putlers tits...

putler gets his info from the papers put on his table. Some russky 'anal yst' (Patrushev ?) put paper on putler's table that Ukrainians will cheer invasion... Alas...

[bmk1245]

Warriors of the World, stand, for **** sake, by Ukraine... Ukraine needs long range missiles, tanks, jets.

 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

1 hour ago, godnodog said:

Nato treaty, if I am not mistaken, does not have expel clauses, but I might be mistaken l.

It does seem that while there are no formal suspension/expulsion clauses, Turkey could technically be removed from NATO.

Can Turkey be Expelled from NATO? It's Legally Possible, Whether or Not Politically Prudent (justsecurity.org)

[pellinore]

The Independent reports the Kremlin:

“We see a growing indirect and sometimes direct involvement of Nato countries in this conflict…we see a devotion to the dramatic delusion that Ukraine can succeed on the battlefield.

“This is a dramatic delusion of the western community that will more than once be cause for regret, we are sure of that.”

Ukraine is calling for more Western allies to supply more tanks for the ongoing war (REUTERS)© Provided by The Independent

The Kremlin added that its relationship with the US is at its “lowest point historically”, adding that there was no hope of bilateral relations improving in the foreseeable future.

Russia warns ‘delusional’ West will ‘regret’ sending military aid to Ukraine (msn.com)

Edited January 21, 2023 by pellinore

[Occult1]

Russian army launches offensive in Zaporizhzhia region

''AFP reports the Russian army as saying that its troops have launched an offensive in the Zaporizhzhia region in south-east Ukraine.

Russian forces claimed to have taken “more advantageous lines and positions” during the assault.

The region has been the scene of intense fighting in recent weeks. Its governor, Oleksandr Starukh, said Russian forces had launched more than 160 shelling attacks overnight.

In a Telegram post he said 21 towns and cities had been targeted. One woman was killed and two other people were injured.''

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jan/21/russia-ukraine-war-ukrainians-to-train-on-leopard-2-tanks-despite-lack-of-agreement-on-supply-live

Edited January 21, 2023 by Occult1

[Helen of Annoy]

5 hours ago, Myles said:

never surprised when someone brings Trump into a thread that has nothing to do with him.  

Personally I do not support Russia or Trump.  

Neither am I surprised, because it's trumpers that keep bringing russian propaganda in this thread. 

Once a russian asset, always a russian asset. 

[Helen of Annoy]

5 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

I'll be chastised, but heck, why not... Shorty emperor putler wouldn't had invaded Ukraine with Trump in power, IMHO. Both Trump and putler are bullies, and shorter bully usually is afraid of larger bully (laws of nature). What greenlighted invasion, was Biden's slip of the tongue, paraphrasing "Let them invade, then we will decide what to do". Honestly, russkys saw Biden as a weak leader, hence we have what we have today...

poopler didn't invade while his b**** was in the White House because poopler wanted that saboteur to keep making America a laughing stock. poopler didn't want to put trump in the position in which trump would have to openly betray the US, because majority of Americans would have a problem with that. I hope they would, at least. 

poopler invaded with Dem president in the WH because it creates problems for the US too. Not direct problems, but still, problems and opens Dem president to criticism that he did too much and didn't do enough for Ukraine, at the same time, of course. 

Biden is not a weak leader. If he was weak, he's send 100 Javelins under condition that they're kept locked away in Western Ukraine and pretend that he doesn't understand what are the implications of the war in Ukraine. 

Biden was one of the rare Western politicians who understood (because he wanted to understand instead of acting dumb like many other did) what's going on in my part of the world (ex-Yu) and demanded that Milošević is stopped.

He won't let the mistakes and injustices done to Croatia, Bosnia&Herzegovina are repeated against Ukraine.  

So touch Biden, the gentleman with integrity and soul, and I see that as an attack on myself. And you know I like my self-defence with excessive use of force  

 

On the brighter side, I'm absolutely ecstatic when Americans make bi-partisan initiatives and decisions for Ukraine, when they show up in Ukraine in bi-partisan teams. That's patriotism. That's America first, not party first. Party first is how countries are divided, weakened and ruined. Which is why any imbecile who puts party above country is a willing or unwilling russian tool.   

 

Is it my fault you read it all? You could have simply not read it and you wouldn't have to complain I was long winded again  

[Helen of Annoy]

4 hours ago, godnodog said:

No there isn't, this is why an agreement was reach between Russia and Ukraine with Turkish mediation. Railroad network and road network is not prepared/designed for the needed scale.

That profile is not interested in facts. That profile is only interested in spreading outlandishly stupid suggestions designed to obstruct Ukrainian defence. (It comes mixed up with actual facts, to confuse you and trick you into not noticing russian lies and misinterpretations sprinkled among the facts.)

"No tanks needed" because russians crapped their pants upon realizing the tanks ARE coming. 

"Zelensky gave russians and Turkey control over Ukrainian grain" because it's an obvious russian spin. In reality, Turkey took an important tool out of russian hands by breaking the grain blockade. 

[Helen of Annoy]

4 hours ago, godnodog said:

Nato treaty, if I am not mistaken, does not have expel clauses, but I might be mistaken l.

I think you're not mistaken. But you don't have to expel someone officially, you can always isolate them, not include them in intelligence exchanges to the full extent etc. 

It would be a horrible mistake to kick Turkey out, though. There're no ethically impeccable solutions for the current situation. One can try doing the most idealistic thing and end up screwing up everything, or one can make the most realistic choices, creating situations in which more ethical choices will hopefully be possible. 

In other words, lesser evil. Also, the perfect is the enemy of good enough. Turkey is more than good enough ally in context of fighting russia off.  

[Helen of Annoy]

4 hours ago, godnodog said:

I disagree, I think Trump publicly would not condemned Russia the way Biden or any other, specially Republican, President.

Trump even said at the beginning he thought it was a  brilliant move from Pudding.

"Genius". trump said poopler invading Ukraine is a "genius" move. 

I'll never forget that. 

"Genius move". In a word salad, attempting to explain just how "genius" is russian invasion of Ukraine. 

Nearly a year after, 120,000+ dead russians, total incapacitated around 250,000+, economy in ****ter, Pantsir on top of russian MoD building. May it crashes through the roof already, unless it's a decoy. In that case, may it's blown away by the wind so we get to hear that new secret russian superadvanced weapon is a flying Pantsir.  

[Helen of Annoy]

4 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

OK, I have opinion, you have opinion, lets leave it at.

In the sence, it was brilliant move: weak (from russky standpoint) US president, Teutons (major player in EU) sucking putlers tits...

putler gets his info from the papers put on his table. Some russky 'anal yst' (Patrushev ?) put paper on putler's table that Ukrainians will cheer invasion... Alas...

All right, poopler believed in crap info. But that doesn't excuse Trump. He had maybe the best intelligence in the world available. Only he had no patience to listen to stuff his brain cannot process.

The reason why I won't ever accept any Trump-excusing is because the damn thing is russian asset. Being in his cult makes you a weak link. 'scuse my bluntness. But these are not the times to beat around the bushes.  

[Helen of Annoy]

3 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

Warriors of the World, stand, for **** sake, by Ukraine... Ukraine needs long range missiles, tanks, jets.

 

 

Allow me to install an "ear worm" into western ears