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Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?


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The conflict is now entering the dangerous stage.

The one when NATO starts gifting current generation weapons to Ukraine so Russia throughs a wobbly. The US, UK, and France are safe. But I would hate to be a NATO member in Central or Eastern Europe right now. They are the ones who will get it if Russia throws its dummy out of the pram.

This conflict feels different to me, I really do think we are seeing the start of WW3. There is a certain excitement at it too, although I hope I am on the survivor list if it totally hits the fan.

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46 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Russia has brought this on themselves and the west nor Ukraine has targeted civilians in Russia nor have they given any indication that they would debase themselves to the criminal behaviour that Russia has. If Russia wants to cry like a bully when they get b!tch slapped to bad they started it and I have no sympathy for them.

Despite all the heavy weapons, ammunition, intelligence etc. that we are throwing at Russia to help Ukraine, they are still advancing in eastern and southern Ukraine.

When do we pause and think about the fact that this isn't working ? We are only escalating a situation in which Russia has no intention to back down.

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29 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Despite all the heavy weapons, ammunition, intelligence etc. that we are throwing at Russia to help Ukraine, they are still advancing in eastern and southern Ukraine.

When do we pause and think about the fact that this isn't working ? We are only escalating a situation in which Russia has no intention to back down.

Advancing a few km in eastern Ukraine after throwing massive amounts of men and equipment at defensive lines for months isnt a great achievement.  As for southern Ukraine there has been no proof of Russia gaining territory other then claims from the Russian military and clearly bot accounts on social media making claims with nothing backing them up.

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1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said:

So, the Leopards are going to Ukraine. (Against Scholz's will, and still without official release, and still without Leopards from Germany, but with the guarantee of German Foreign Minister that there will be no objections to deliveries by other countries.) As they should have years ago, or at least a year ago. It's not too late, though.

Scholz has every reason to be cautious. The EU's stockpiles are depleted.

Germany has thrown quite a few logs into the Ukraine-Russia conflict fire already. But now they are required to throw in their own furniture to keep that fire going.

It's not a decision that should be made lightly.

EU defence stockpiles 'almost empty' despite increase in spending, Borrell warns

"When we provide military support to Ukraine, this military support doesn't come from the factory, (it) comes from the stocks, the army stocks. And everybody agrees that this stockpile has been quickly depleted because they were almost empty."

Borrell added that the EU also lacks critical defence capabilities to defend itself.''

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/12/08/eu-defence-stockpiles-almost-empty-despite-increase-in-spending-borrell-warns

 

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4 hours ago, Occult1 said:

The problem is that the more powerful the weapons we send to Ukraine, the heavier Russia's response will be. Until a global catastrophe takes place.

There is no end to that.

But if the weapons aren’t making a difference then uttering threats like they have been is communicating something entirely different.

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1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

The conflict is now entering the dangerous stage.

The one when NATO starts gifting current generation weapons to Ukraine so Russia throughs a wobbly. The US, UK, and France are safe. But I would hate to be a NATO member in Central or Eastern Europe right now. They are the ones who will get it if Russia throws its dummy out of the pram.

This conflict feels different to me, I really do think we are seeing the start of WW3. There is a certain excitement at it too, although I hope I am on the survivor list if it totally hits the fan.

You have been saying the same thing for months. 

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1 hour ago, Occult1 said:

Despite all the heavy weapons, ammunition, intelligence etc. that we are throwing at Russia to help Ukraine, they are still advancing in eastern and southern Ukraine.

When do we pause and think about the fact that this isn't working ? We are only escalating a situation in which Russia has no intention to back down.

Hi Occult

The invader Russia is in the wrong and if the west stops to make you happy Russians will still be raping torturing and murdering innocent long after we abandon the Ukraine. 
It is no different than saying let’s not have police or justice because criminals won’t quit committing crimes.

Russia is committing crimes and someone has to help stop them. You think if we all give up Russia will change for the better, they won’t. Maybe close your eyes and plug you ears if this conflict bothers you or watch cartoon

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1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

The conflict is now entering the dangerous stage.

The one when NATO starts gifting current generation weapons to Ukraine so Russia throughs a wobbly. The US, UK, and France are safe. But I would hate to be a NATO member in Central or Eastern Europe right now. They are the ones who will get it if Russia throws its dummy out of the pram.

This conflict feels different to me, I really do think we are seeing the start of WW3. There is a certain excitement at it too, although I hope I am on the survivor list if it totally hits the fan.

Hi Cookie

What happened to all your excitement that you had a year ago when you were giddy at the concept of WW3

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37 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

You have been saying the same thing for months. 

He's got heavy anxiety over it man. Over a fear of dying by nuclear exchange. Like a few others that post here and p**s an moan at the rest of us because we support the U.S. help Ukraine kicking P.O.S Putler and his orcs out of Ukraine by any means necessary. Hell even you yourself had some anxiety about it at the beginning of this thread, nulcear exchange, but you eventually got over it. Unfortunately they haven't yet. That's why they keep on post the same ol' crap in this thread and b**ch about it to us, trying to convince the rest of us it needs to stop. Lol. But I don't know what the hell they expect the rest of us to do about it. It's runaway train and nothing is going to stop it until it does stop on it's own. That's just the way it is a they need to face up to it.

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View from The Guardian:
Europe, in order to prevail, must fight back with everything it’s got, even at the risk of national armed forces ultimately becoming directly engaged. Last week’s wrangling over sending hi-tech German Leopard 2 tanks to Kyiv merely reprises previous, futile arguments about the level of weapons supplies. Ukrainians fight for all of us, so why tie their hands?

East and central European politicians have a clearer-eyed estimation of the physical Russian threat, rooted in history. They want Nato to send combat aircraft, too. How different things might be today, they suggest, had a less chary western alliance deployed such weapons last spring.

Ukraine is fighting for all of us. Now Europe must fight Putin too | Simon Tisdall | The Guardian

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1 hour ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

You have been saying the same thing for months. 

Have he ever managed to get any prediction right ?

A good rule thumb is that if he makes a prediction you can be sure that it  isn't going to happen. So when he predict nuclear war I will rest assured that it wont happen.

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Russian bot activity and pro-Russian accounts have drastically increased activity over the weekend so Russia is probably trying something.  Only problem is trying anything at this moment would be insane.  The winter this year has been incredibly mild so the ground in southern Ukraine still hasnt frozen enough for any kind of offensive that uses heavily armored vehicles.  In eastern Ukraine the ground should be frozen or near frozen enough for armored vehicles.

From what I been hearing there is little to no chance of a winter offensive in southern Ukraine anymore as its approximately mid-winter and the ground still hast froze yet.  The ground might freeze for late winter but that probably wont gover enough time before the spring mud season to make any offensive viable.

Russia attempting a southern offensive now would be insane and almost certainly result in high losses of man power and equipment but it does seem Russia might be trying a southern offensive.

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2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Scholz has every reason to be cautious. The EU's stockpiles are depleted.

Germany has thrown quite a few logs into the Ukraine-Russia conflict fire already. But now they are required to throw in their own furniture to keep that fire going.

It's not a decision that should be made lightly.

EU defence stockpiles 'almost empty' despite increase in spending, Borrell warns

"When we provide military support to Ukraine, this military support doesn't come from the factory, (it) comes from the stocks, the army stocks. And everybody agrees that this stockpile has been quickly depleted because they were almost empty."

Borrell added that the EU also lacks critical defence capabilities to defend itself.''

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/12/08/eu-defence-stockpiles-almost-empty-despite-increase-in-spending-borrell-warns

 

Josep Borrell is a High Representative of the Union (EU) for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy.  What he is saying is despite an increase in Defense the combined EU expenditure is still under the 2% of the combined EU GDP @ 1.2%.  All he is doing is playing politics by exacerbating a problem to increase funds to an area of his convern. 

The other thing is the EU HAS the money to increase Defense expenditure.  Russia?  Less and less by the minute.

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A few days ago the Netherlands said they were considering sending their F-16s to Ukraine, if what I'm hearing is accurate America is going to support allies sending F-16s to Ukraine.

If that is true that is a significant development and will put further pressure on Germany approving and sending Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine.

I have heard an unconfirmed rumor that America is planning to replace any Leopard 2 tank sent to Ukraine by NATO members with an Abrams tank if Germany doesnt begin approving transfers soon.  This would devastate the German arms industry and pretty much end German heavy weapon exports to most European countries if it happens.

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7 hours ago, Gunn said:

Hell even you yourself had some anxiety about it at the beginning of this thread, nulcear exchange, but you eventually got over it.

There was never anxiety, on my end.

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3 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

if Germany doesnt begin approving transfers soon.

I think I heard on the news today that Germany would approve of Poland sending Leopard tanks.  True or not true do you know?

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3 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

A few days ago the Netherlands said they were considering sending their F-16s to Ukraine, if what I'm hearing is accurate America is going to support allies sending F-16s to Ukraine.

If that is true that is a significant development and will put further pressure on Germany approving and sending Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine.

I have heard an unconfirmed rumor that America is planning to replace any Leopard 2 tank sent to Ukraine by NATO members with an Abrams tank if Germany doesnt begin approving transfers soon.  This would devastate the German arms industry and pretty much end German heavy weapon exports to most European countries if it happens.

I think there are many fools here who cannot see the trap for Russia.

Either Russia looses and Putin goes, or Ukraine looses and sues for peace. But as we supply better and better weapons the only way Russia can win is if it nukes. I guess Biden hopes that Putin isn`t that crazy.

I think this conflict results in open war between NATO and Russia.

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2 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

I think there are many fools here who cannot see the trap for Russia.

Either Russia looses and Putin goes, or Ukraine looses and sues for peace. But as we supply better and better weapons the only way Russia can win is if it nukes. I guess Biden hopes that Putin isn`t that crazy.

I think this conflict results in open war between NATO and Russia.

Cookie this is the thin red line, M.A.D.

Putin cannot be certain what the response will be if he uses nukes and so will not use them.

There is a massive question for everyone who is concerned about a nuclear exchange.

Should we let Russia do whatever it wants because it is a nuclear power?  And if the answer is yes, is that because it is not your home or family that are affected?

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4 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

 

I have heard an unconfirmed rumor that America is planning to replace any Leopard 2 tank sent to Ukraine by NATO members with an Abrams tank if Germany doesnt begin approving transfers soon.  

I was thinking the same the other day.

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25 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

I think I heard on the news today that Germany would approve of Poland sending Leopard tanks.  True or not true do you know?

I read about this, but it's not official yet.

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12 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

Cookie this is the thin red line, M.A.D.

Putin cannot be certain what the response will be if he uses nukes and so will not use them.

There is a massive question for everyone who is concerned about a nuclear exchange.

Should we let Russia do whatever it wants because it is a nuclear power?  And if the answer is yes, is that because it is not your home or family that are affected?

Should we walk blindly into suicide?

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6 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Should we walk blindly into suicide?

Should we answer all questions with questions?

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4 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

Should we answer all questions with questions?

What do you mean? 

(Sorry, couldn't resist) 

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39 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

I think there are many fools here who cannot see the trap for Russia.

Either Russia looses and Putin goes, or Ukraine looses and sues for peace. But as we supply better and better weapons the only way Russia can win is if it nukes. I guess Biden hopes that Putin isn`t that crazy.

I think this conflict results in open war between NATO and Russia.

So Russia can get weapon assistance from Iran, China and North Korea but the world risks annihilation if anybody helps Ukraine from being invaded, occupied, raped, butchered and ethnically cleansed.  :lol:

Silly rationale naively gulping Russian tyrannical propaganda.

 

 

 

 

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