Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[pellinore]

Has Putin had a change of heart?

 

[Occult1]

16 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Slightly off topic: one of the biggest take away from this war - for want of a better word - is the rise of ‘vulture’ country’s like Russia, China, Turkey and Iran. Happy to destabilise and prey on weaker countries. Land grab. Concessions etc. maybe it’s time to scrap NATO and make an all encompassing military and political alliance from one end of the planet to the other. A kind of pax-Americana. Isolating trouble makers, promoting democracy and protecting vulnerable country’s 

Sounds like a One World government that globalists are dreaming of.

Edited January 25, 2023 by Occult1

[Unusual Tournament]

3 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

With the amount of tanks, IFVs, and self propelled artillery that Ukraine is getting they should be able to create a complete armor brigade that is up to NATO standards for a spring/summer offensive.  

This will be on top of other formations Ukraine has/will be able to create with donated and captured military equipment.

I’d be very surprised if the pledged tanks and aircraft came anytime soon. This war is slowly grinding to a halt. The prevalence of trenches and anti tank barricades is an ominous sign Russia and Ukraine are getting bogged down. Russia will just reverse the roles and play defence like Ukraine did. 

Russia will continue to attack and limit Ukraine’s economy directly with attack on infrastructure and fear and indirectly (like the grain deal with Turkey) limit and impose its own sanctions on Ukraine. It can no longer do so on the west due to economic sanctions imposed from the EU so it will take a pound of flesh outta Ukraine. 

This is now a war of attrition. America will tighten the screws on China, Iran, North Korea and the rest of the BRIIC’s. 
 

Both America and Russia are waiting for regime change. In America’s case the removal of Putin and Russia American elections 

[Unusual Tournament]

Just now, Occult1 said:

Sounds like a One World government.

If you’re an American neo-con this war was a blessing in disguise. You get to break the current world security architecture with second hand weapons, get others to do the fighting all for a bargain base fee. Look at Turkey’s bullying tactics on Sweden and Finland. Why would Sweden and Finland care or fear for a ‘One World Government’ when the alternative is so much worse. Why would America demand Russia, China, Iran, Turkey etc change? They’re the spark for Pax-Americana!

[jmccr8]

23 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Has Putin had a change of heart?

 

Hi Pellinore

not sure what he means with a short clip of a part of a speach.For all I know he could be inferring is sovereignty under Russian rule.

Edited January 25, 2023 by jmccr8

[Unusual Tournament]

… to continue; the bad boys are doing America’s dirty work. Either they will convert or they’ll continue to be useful in scaring the rest into accepting American hegemony. This multipolar “new” world order is a fabrication. It’s a One World Order that’s on the cards. 

[pellinore]

5 hours ago, Occult1 said:

 

German foreign Minister say they are ''fighting a war against Russia''.

The whole free democratic world is fighting a war with Russia. While they kept their crime, corruption and cruelty within their own borders we couldn't do much about it, but now they are invading other countries with their cruelty they have to be crushed. And they will be crushed- the floodgates have now been opened to heavy weapons. The Kremlin won't- can't- respond with nuclear weapons to the 'red line' of modern NATO tanks, so if the war is still raging in the summer, NATO aircraft will be supplied. I think possibly 100,000 Ukrainian troops have been killed, many more than 100,000 Russian troops, it is beyond tragic that we are fighting an early 20th Century war in the 21st Century, but at least the Ukrainians have been defending democratic freedom, while the Orcs have thrown away their lives defending corrupt oligarchs who don't even live in Russia. 

(As a side note, this is President Zelenskyy's finest moment- clearing out the remaining fascist Soviet corruption in Ukraine and taking steps to join the EU.He is not only Time's man of the Year, he is the PM of the Century).

[DarkHunter]

29 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

I’d be very surprised if the pledged tanks and aircraft came anytime soon. This war is slowly grinding to a halt. The prevalence of trenches and anti tank barricades is an ominous sign Russia and Ukraine are getting bogged down. Russia will just reverse the roles and play defence like Ukraine did. 

Russia will continue to attack and limit Ukraine’s economy directly with attack on infrastructure and fear and indirectly (like the grain deal with Turkey) limit and impose its own sanctions on Ukraine. It can no longer do so on the west due to economic sanctions imposed from the EU so it will take a pound of flesh outta Ukraine. 

This is now a war of attrition. America will tighten the screws on China, Iran, North Korea and the rest of the BRIIC’s. 
 

Both America and Russia are waiting for regime change. In America’s case the removal of Putin and Russia American elections 

The war ground to a halt on some fronts cause it's an unusually mild winter and the ground never froze enough for armored vehicles to travel over for large parts of Ukraine.  In areas where it has frozen enough fighting has restarted.  Ukraine currently has an information blackout for the Kreminna to Svatove front so little to no information is making it out but what is known is that Ukranian forces have advanced north and south of Kreminna.

The pledged armored vehicles will probably be in Ukranian hands by mid to late February at the latest.  Leopard tanks will get used first as the German Gepald uses the same chassis as the Leopard tanks so Ukranians are already familiar with a large part of its maintenance and handling and will only require minimal training.

Realistically Russia cant really do any further significant attacks on Ukranian infrastructure.  Russia is nearing the end of its missile stockpiles, parts from Russian missiles have been found that date their build date to around 2020 to 2021.  Russia lacks air control over Ukraine so unless they want a lot of aircraft shot down they cant resort to dumb bombs to target infrastructure.

The whole thing with Russia going after Ukraine's economy is just nonsense.  Ever since 2014 Ukraine has had little economic relations with Russia so Russian sanctions on Ukraine or going after Ukraine economically isnt really possible or making any logical sense.

As for Russia playing defense that wont work, the Russian military isnt set up to fight a defensive war.  Russian combat doctrine has focused essentially exclusively on rapid and overwhelming offensive actions to shatter the moral of an opposing military to avoid long drawn out wars of attrition.  The main element of the Russian military, the battalion tactical group, generally has 10 tanks, 40 IFVs, but only about 200 infantry.  That is very bad for defensive operations but good for rapid and deep penetrating attacks.

[Occult1]

22 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Pellinore

not sure what he means with a short clip of a part of a speach.For all I know he could be inferring is sovereignty under Russian rule.

The EU is a vassal of the U.S. They don't really make their own geopolitical decisions. Possibly that's what he means by 'sovereignty'.

Edited January 25, 2023 by Occult1

[pellinore]

16 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Pellinore

not sure what he means with a short clip of a part of a speach.For all I know he could be inferring is sovereignty under Russian rule.

I know. You are right. I'm joking. Putin has no brains or knowledge, he is in place because he is the oligarchs 'useful fool'. In a much lesser and much less destructive way, you have Trump in the US and we have Nigel Farage.

[Unusual Tournament]

8 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

The EU is a vassal of the U.S. They don't really make their own geopolitical decisions. Possibly that's what he means by 'sovereignty'.

Yes I guess that’s why Germany has been led to help Ukraine kicking and screaming. The French have been smarter at the seeing the writing on the wall. The only truly sovereign country is America. The rest rely on it. 

[pellinore]

Here they come:

 

[pellinore]

Free the Leopards:

The BBC's Analysis Editor examines the background to Germany’s decision to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine.

Ros Atkins on… Germany’s Ukraine tank decision - BBC News

Edited January 26, 2023 by pellinore

[+and-then]

Don't forget these:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/25/us-will-send-dozens-of-abrams-tanks-to-ukraine-biden-announces

"The US president acknowledged delivering the tanks to Ukraine will “take time”, saying that Washington will use that time to ensure that Ukrainians are “fully prepared” to integrate the fighting vehicles into their defences."

 

"He later told reporters during a briefing that the tanks will take “months” to arrive in Ukraine."

“It’s not just about how to operate the Abrams… it’s how to maintain them, and it’s how to have an organic supply chain process or logistical sustainment process, so that you can keep them maintained and in the fight over the long haul,” Kirby added."

Those Leopards may not be the newest but they apparently are easier to maintain and still are superior to what Russia has in the field.  It will be interesting to see how they perform.

[spartan max2]

3 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

 

…Biden…..

 

 

 

You just ignoring the part where he said with American pilots and American crews?

Yeah if we put boots on the ground than that's clearly war lol

[Unusual Tournament]

51 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

The whole thing with Russia going after Ukraine's economy is just nonsense.  Ever since 2014 Ukraine has had little economic relations with Russia so Russian sanctions on Ukraine or going after Ukraine economically isnt really possible or making any logical sense.

Ukraine is going to need around $750bn for reconstruction, Larry Fink, CEO of BlackRock said at the World Economic Forum in Davos last week and the war hasn’t even ended. 

[Unusual Tournament]

Ukraine is heading towards default, according to the Fitch Ratings agency, Ukraine Business News reported on January 23.
https://intellinews.com/ukraine-spiralling-towards-default-according-to-fitch-267768/

 

… this goes on for another year and Ukraine will a gargantuan debt haircut 

[+and-then]

37 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Ukraine is going to need around $750bn for reconstruction, Larry Fink, CEO of BlackRock said at the World Economic Forum in Davos last week and the war hasn’t even ended. 

IIRC, Zelenskyy has already had some initial negotiation with the CCP for them to do that job.  Meanwhile, America is funding his government on all levels.  The one that really bothers me is the fact that Americans are fully subsidizing Ukrainian PENSIONS!  So far we've promised or delivered over 100 Billion in aid.  Any discussion at all of assigning an Inspector General to audit where these funds are going, has been shouted down by the current administration.  For those here who fully support Ukraine no matter how long it takes or what it's costing, do you care to explain why a simple audit of these massive outlays is such a problem?  That's a genuine question.  I'm not talking about shutting down the pipeline.  I'm just asking why an audit is being fought against.  What possible harm could such accounting do to Ukraine's war effort?

[Black Red Devil]

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Slightly off topic: one of the biggest take away from this war - for want of a better word - is the rise of ‘vulture’ country’s like Russia, China, Turkey and Iran. Happy to destabilise and prey on weaker countries. Land grab. Concessions etc. maybe it’s time to scrap NATO and make an all encompassing military and political alliance from one end of the planet to the other. A kind of pax-Americana. Isolating trouble makers, promoting democracy and protecting vulnerable country’s 

That's not a bad idea as it may appear if it's worked on in the correct manner.  What needs to go is the UN.  It's just a useless tool that benefits either British/American/French interests or Russian/China interests.

IMO there should be an Organisation that encompasses only democratic countries and ones that aspire to become such.  To be part of this Organisation countries would have to show such Values that portray Freedom, Democracy, Human Rights, Environment and others that depict a Society that holds in high regards the development of the earth, human race and creatures living on the planet.  All countries would have to meet certain criteria's that could be benchmarked and modelled on the most current democratic and free countries and while no country in the world is perfect, the initial target requirements could be adjusted as a starting point and the levels lifted as societies improve.  Aspiring nations could be given a time period to meet minimum targets for entry into the Organisaton.  Countries that are part of the Organisation that fall below the required targets would be given a time period to lift their game or face expulsion.

What would be the benefits of entering such an Organisation?  Financial (trade agreements, aid including security), protection, development etc.  Considering the initial Members would be made up of the US, EU, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, Japan, Korea and all currently western aligned nations, hence the most rich and militarily powerful countries in the world, it would be in everyone's interests to join.  Countries with current trade agreements could still maintain such for additional and mutual interests.  People living under Dictatorships or who have no consideration for human life or the planets environment would be on their own.  Members of this Organisation that would trade with such countries would be given warnings and eventually expelled unless they are assisting for humanitarian reasons.

People may call this a One world Government.  It's not, because nobody is forcing anyone to join.  Is it wrong to force countries that are part of the Organisation not to trade with undemocratic countries?  You could answer that by answering another question, is it right to trade and support Dictatorships where people are tortured, suppressed and killed for the interests of a few?

 

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, and-then said:

IIRC, Zelenskyy has already had some initial negotiation with the CCP for them to do that job.  Meanwhile, America is funding his government on all levels.  The one that really bothers me is the fact that Americans are fully subsidizing Ukrainian PENSIONS!  So far we've promised or delivered over 100 Billion in aid.  Any discussion at all of assigning an Inspector General to audit where these funds are going, has been shouted down by the current administration.  For those here who fully support Ukraine no matter how long it takes or what it's costing, do you care to explain why a simple audit of these massive outlays is such a problem?  That's a genuine question.  I'm not talking about shutting down the pipeline.  I'm just asking why an audit is being fought against.  What possible harm could such accounting do to Ukraine's war effort?

Sorry to say, as long as Biden is POTUS more of the same for at least 2 more years. Ukraine is a huge nation building commitment. You don’t make that sort of outlay without expecting something in return. 

[Black Red Devil]

56 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Sorry to say, as long as Biden is POTUS more of the same for at least 2 more years. Ukraine is a huge nation building commitment. You don’t make that sort of outlay without expecting something in return. 

Just like the Marshall Plan supported the reconstruction of Europe and benefited the US to enhance its position in the World in the 50's, 60's etc. after the Great Depression in the 30's, helping Ukraine and reducing Russia's power and influence will boost the Economies of Europe, US & allies.  After this war Russia will have to pay a heavy price if it wants to maintain some sembrance of importance.

[Black Red Devil]

5 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

I predict Russia will strike rail lines next to stop the tanks being trained in.

This is how worried my dog is when you predict something.

What's your current prediction score up to?  0 from 15, 0 from 20? 

[Black Red Devil]

7 hours ago, Occult1 said:

There is a real possibility that China could help break the stalemate in Russia's favor by increasing it's military support.

Putin Ally Warns New Anti-American 'Military Alliance' May Emerge

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-warns-new-anti-american-military-alliance-may-emerge-1775599

Medvedev can say what he wants.  There is already an anti US/Western alliance so nothing really new here.  The Chinese aren't even threatening Taiwan anymore after they've seen what NATO military equipment and sanctions are doing to Russia and they're not even directly involved with boots on the ground or sending all their most advanced stock.  Above all, China is currently in a financial hole and facing the possibility of a Recession. 

Sanctions would kill its economy, therefore the CCP will do absolutely nothing at the moment that could compomise its financial troubles and above all, its stronghold in power.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

27 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

The Chinese aren't even threatening Taiwan anymore after they've seen what NATO military equipment and sanctions are doing to Russia and they're not even directly involved with boots on the ground or sending all their most advanced stock. 

They haven't been as "loud" about it, but they are still sending military jets and ships into their airspace/waters to threaten them.

[Black Red Devil]

21 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

They haven't been as "loud" about it, but they are still sending military jets and ships into their airspace/waters to threaten them.

True, but from Taiwanese reactions it seemed like they were almost on the verge of invading a year ago.