Helen of Annoy Posted January 26, 2023 #22801 Share Posted January 26, 2023 "wagner" sacks of **** are making strange propaganda moves lately. Now they advertise how they put bodies of fallen AFU fighters in coffins, not bags, because they honor them. Well, it's not mutual. No one honors "wagner" freak show. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted January 26, 2023 #22802 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Not to spoil the surprise for vatniks, but Ukraine will get Fs and ATACMS too. It could be announced after the next Ramstein meeting, which is next month. If poopler is still alive, he'll **** himself again 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occult1 Posted January 26, 2023 #22803 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Russia: NATO war involvement ‘growing’ with arms to Ukraine ''Russia says the delivery of NATO battle tanks to Ukraine is evidence of “direct and growing” US and European involvement in the war, with one analyst suggesting supplying nations could become potential targets. The comments come after the United States and Germany on Wednesday said they would arm Ukraine with dozens of heavy tanks in its fight against Russian forces. “There are constant statements from European capitals and Washington that the sending of various weapons systems to Ukraine, including tanks, in no way signifies the involvement of these countries or the alliance in hostilities in Ukraine,” Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said on Thursday. “We categorically disagree with this and, in Moscow, everything the alliance and the capitals I mentioned are doing is seen as direct involvement in the conflict. We see that this is growing.” https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/26/russia-nato-war-involvement-growing-with-arms-to-ukraine Is a direct clash between Russia and NATO inevitable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted January 26, 2023 #22804 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Aaaahhh, there it is - the new red line! No, seriously, not to link the orcs, but it's not tanks, noooo, it's long range weapons that would be the red line. Clowns. Evil, but clowns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted January 26, 2023 #22805 Share Posted January 26, 2023 3 hours ago, ThereWeAreThen said: Pilots aren't getting sent. Ukrainians will be trained in Europe and USA as normal. He's said American boots aren't going on tbe ground. Why would Biden even mention something like this? All his doing is planting the seed into the Russian propaganda machine. An F-16 shoots down a SU-27 and all of a sudden American pilots were involved 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted January 26, 2023 #22806 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Occult1 said: Is a direct clash between Russia and NATO inevitable? Sadly, there won't be any direct clash unless russia really wants it and attacks an official NATO country. It would be perfect. russia pacified once and for all. But no. They'll keep making empty threats and losing everything, hopefully the UN seat they occupy illegally too. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted January 26, 2023 #22807 Share Posted January 26, 2023 14 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said: Not to spoil the surprise for vatniks, but Ukraine will get Fs and ATACMS too. It could be announced after the next Ramstein meeting, which is next month. If poopler is still alive, he'll **** himself again Agree! If you supply F-16’s then why would ATACMS be problematic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occult1 Posted January 26, 2023 #22808 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: Agree! If you supply F-16’s then why would ATACMS be problematic ATACMS could be use to strike deep within Russia. That's the primary concern. F-16 could also be used to strike Russian Territory but would be more constrained by the the surface-to-air threat by Russian ground-based air defense systems. ''Such desires drew ominous remarks from Russian diplomat Konstantin Gavrilov, similar to the kind voiced earlier by Putin and others. “If Washington and NATO give Kyiv weapons to strike peaceful cities deep inside Russia and try to seize the territories that constitutionally belong to Russia, it will force Moscow to take harsh retaliatory action,” Gavrilov told a meeting of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. “Don’t tell us then that we haven’t warned you.” https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/russia-plays-down-wests-supply-of-tanks-to-ukraine-renews-attacks Edited January 26, 2023 by Occult1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted January 26, 2023 #22809 Share Posted January 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: Agree! If you supply F-16’s then why would ATACMS be problematic Nothing is problematic anymore. ATACMS are essential. Not just for finishing off the bridge at Kerch strait, but also there must be a demilitarized zone at least 100 km deep in russia. Speaking of which, all russian air bases have to be levelled with the ground in order to stop further missile attacks. But that's what long range drones will do. Meanwhile, russians are telling each other that T-90 is superior to Abrams. I think they should be encouraged to believe it is so because it would be wrong to attempt saving that cattle from the consequences of their actions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted January 26, 2023 #22810 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Just now, Occult1 said: ATACMS could be use to strike deep within Russia. That's the primary concern. F-16 could also be used to strike Russian Territory but would be more constrained by the the surface-to-air threat by Russian ground-based air defense systems. Let’s assume the F-16’s come with air to ground Rocket assisted/glide weapons then they’ll be just as capable of striking deep into Russian territory with the same profile as an ATACMS. Technically the Russians could still set up their S-300/400 SAM units on Russian territory and target these F-16’s with impunity. ATACMS can still be intercepted. But in all honesty, suppling Ukraine with F-16 or Rafael’s/Eurofighters is gonna create more political problems than solutions for Ukraine and America. really don’t like the trajectory of this war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted January 26, 2023 #22811 Share Posted January 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, Occult1 said: ATACMS could be use to strike deep within Russia. That's the primary concern. F-16 could also be used to strike Russian Territory but would be more constrained by the the surface-to-air threat by Russian ground-based air defense systems. Don't launch missiles at Ukraine and Ukraine won't strike deep in russia. Keep launching missiles at Ukraine and Ukraine will strike so deep in russia it will hit poopler in his bunker. russia can avoid this by ****ing off, negotiating about reparations, immediately returning all children they kidnapped and all adults they imprisoned, handing over all war criminals and shutting the **** up about their own simultaneous superiority and victimhood. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted January 26, 2023 #22812 Share Posted January 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said: Meanwhile, russians are telling each other that T-90 is superior to Abrams. I think they should be encouraged to believe it is so because it would be wrong to attempt saving that cattle from the consequences of their actions. If a kornet missile can kill an Abrams then a T-90 can kill an Abrams also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted January 26, 2023 #22813 Share Posted January 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said: Don't launch missiles at Ukraine and Ukraine won't strike deep in russia. Keep launching missiles at Ukraine and Ukraine will strike so deep in russia it will hit poopler in his bunker. russia can avoid this by ****ing off, negotiating about reparations, immediately returning all children they kidnapped and all adults they imprisoned, handing over all war criminals and shutting the **** up about their own simultaneous superiority and victimhood. Yeah, this war unleashed pure evil upon Ukrainian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted January 26, 2023 #22814 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Unusual Tournament said: Let’s assume the F-16’s come with air to ground Rocket assisted/glide weapons then they’ll be just as capable of striking deep into Russian territory with the same profile as an ATACMS. Technically the Russians could still set up their S-300/400 SAM units on Russian territory and target these F-16’s with impunity. ATACMS can still be intercepted. But in all honesty, suppling Ukraine with F-16 or Rafael’s/Eurofighters is gonna create more political problems than solutions for Ukraine and America. really don’t like the trajectory of this war. I love the trajectory of this war. I only hate it's too damn slow. So much pain. The silver lining is that the slowness of the process ensures that russia will destroy itself totally. If Ukraine was armed properly from the start, russia would have to **** off sooner and thus it would remain relatively unharmed. But since it goes at the rate it goes, russia is being damaged irreparably. Good. I had it up to *here* of their psychopath influence. From god damned anti-vaxers to various isolationist freaks, it all stinks of russia. Nothing of value will be lost. So get lost. Complete with "opposition" to poopler, which can't say that Crimea is Ukraine and wants to appear as if they're the victims of the war they supposedly don't support while inventing excuses for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted January 26, 2023 #22815 Share Posted January 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: If a kornet missile can kill an Abrams then a T-90 can kill an Abrams also. Of course. There are no indestructible tanks. But there's a whole year of constant proofs that Ukrainians know what they're doing while russians suffer from collective case of chaotic stupidity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occult1 Posted January 26, 2023 #22816 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: Let’s assume the F-16’s come with air to ground Rocket assisted/glide weapons then they’ll be just as capable of striking deep into Russian territory with the same profile as an ATACMS. Technically the Russians could still set up their S-300/400 SAM units on Russian territory and target these F-16’s with impunity. ATACMS can still be intercepted. But in all honesty, suppling Ukraine with F-16 or Rafael’s/Eurofighters is gonna create more political problems than solutions for Ukraine and America. really don’t like the trajectory of this war. I could see a scenario where the U.S. supplies Ukraine with F-16s for 'defensive purposes'. These fighter jets can be used to take down Russian missiles or defend against Russian attack sorties. But I don't think the U.S. fully trust Ukraine not to use them for offensive actions across the Russian border. I mean even the HIMARS units supplied to Ukraine were secretly modified not to take ATACMS. Edited January 26, 2023 by Occult1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted January 26, 2023 #22817 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Congrats on your islamist allies, pro-orcs. At least Iran buried itself deeper when they couldn't resist assisting genocide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted January 26, 2023 #22818 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Helen of Annoy said: Of course. There are no indestructible tanks. But there's a whole year of constant proofs that Ukrainians know what they're doing while russians suffer from collective case of chaotic stupidity. Granted the Russians are ****-up’s and Ukraine have had extraordinary help that few have ever had. At some point the Russians are gonna start looking at different tactics and organisation. These arms deliveries into Ukraine are coming because the Russians are adapting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted January 26, 2023 #22819 Share Posted January 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Occult1 said: I could see a scenario where the U.S. supplies Ukraine with F-16s for 'defensive purposes'. These jets can be used to take down Russian missiles or defend against Russian attack sorties. But I don't think the U.S. fully trust Ukraine not to use them for offensive actions across the Russian border. I mean even the HIMARS units supplied to Ukraine were secretly modified not to take ATACMS. Okay didn’t know about the HIMARS modification. The scenario I was thinking of was the F-16 were being supplied more to stop Russian bombers from doing a grand tour of Ukraine’s battle lines. Who really knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted January 26, 2023 #22820 Share Posted January 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, Occult1 said: I could see a scenario where the U.S. supplies Ukraine with F-16s for 'defensive purposes'. These jets can be used to take down Russian missiles or defend against Russian attack sorties. But I don't think the U.S. fully trust Ukraine not to use them for offensive actions across the Russian border. I mean even the HIMARS supplied to Ukraine were secretly modified not to take ATACMS. You didn't get the memo. The times of taking care that russia is not hit are long gone. Ukraine has every right to prevent russian terrorist attacks by destroying russian bases from which these attacks are launched. So far UK was clear about that, the rest will follow, rest assured. Regarding modifications, if there's no ATACMS supplied, then what difference would it make if the system can or cannot fire them? Or you think the appropriate launcher won't be supplied with particular types of rockets? Also, did you notice MiGs were modified to fire NATO missiles? I'd bring you a link but I have to go now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted January 26, 2023 #22821 Share Posted January 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: Granted the Russians are ****-up’s and Ukraine have had extraordinary help that few have ever had. At some point the Russians are gonna start looking at different tactics and organisation. These arms deliveries into Ukraine are coming because the Russians are adapting. russians are looking for ways to actually do something that's not an utter embarrassment for a whole year now, but first they have to look for their brains. They're hopelessly rigid, outdated and spectacularly stupid. The weapons are coming because Ukraine is ready to use them. Bye now, try not to root for russia too obviously while I'm gone. You know you must keep on pretending as if you're successfully hiding your intentions. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occult1 Posted January 26, 2023 #22822 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said: The times of taking care that russia is not hit are long gone. Ukraine has every right to prevent russian terrorist attacks by destroying russian bases from which these attacks are launched. So far UK was clear about that, the rest will follow, rest assured. . And Russia was clear it could retaliate to strike NATO countries. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukraine-war-kremlin-threatens-revenge-military-strikes-british-territory-101936730.html That would probably lead to WW3. Edited January 26, 2023 by Occult1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 26, 2023 #22823 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said: "wagner" sacks of **** are making strange propaganda moves lately. Now they advertise how they put bodies of fallen AFU fighters in coffins, not bags, because they honor them. Well, it's not mutual. No one honors "wagner" freak show. Hi Helen That’s weird given they leave the bodies of their dead and wounded in the field and don’t bother bringing them home to their families. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 26, 2023 #22824 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Occult1 said: Is a direct clash between Russia and NATO inevitable? Hi Occult A direct clash would only happen if Russia attacked a NATO member for supporting the Ukraine other than weapons there won’t be NATO manpower involved as the Ukraine has the manpower to fight on their own 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHunter Posted January 26, 2023 #22825 Share Posted January 26, 2023 45 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: If a kornet missile can kill an Abrams then a T-90 can kill an Abrams also. The kornet missile destroyed an Iraqi M1A1M Abrams tank. The significance is that the M1A1M variant does not have depleted uranium inserts in the armor and uses older designed composite armor assuming it has composite armor like other M1A1 variants, I remember hearing a while ago that the Iraqi export version didnt even have composite armor instead just having steel armor but I'm not sure if that is true or not. Newer variants, M1A2 and later, have updated composite armor, depleted uranium inserts in the armor, along with the possibility of adding on ERA and/or slat armor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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