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Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?


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1 hour ago, Occult1 said:

Boots on the ground are not required for active participation in a conflict. NATO still wants to keep the veneer of plausible deniability and avoid a full-scale war with Russia.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces are a NATO Army in all but name, minus the air support. They have gradually switched to NATO-standard equipment and received the proper training. It's a hybrid war.

There is little doubt that NATO military advisers are involved in all the important strategic decisions and might even be calling the shots at this point.

From a military speaking standpoint that is incorrect. You may not like it but, words have meaning.

You still didn't answer my questions for you, you only provided an emoji. So, I'll ask again. Using your (flawed) logic, are Iran, N Korea and China active participants? If so, they can then be sanctioned for assisting and providing support of an illegal invasion of a sovereign country.

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1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said:

"wagner" sacks of **** are making strange propaganda moves lately. Now they advertise how they put bodies of fallen AFU fighters in coffins, not bags, because they honor them.

Well, it's not mutual. No one honors "wagner" freak show. 

@Helen of Annoynot to worry, those murderous, raping b******* are getting their asses handed to them as well.

"Satellite images hint at scale of Russian mercenary group's losses in Ukraine"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/satellite-images-hint-at-scale-of-russian-mercenary-group-s-losses-in-ukraine/ar-AA16JDSC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7959f4a19c934f96afd992b93020bb80

"The number of graves at a cemetery used by Russia's notorious mercenary Wagner Group has dramatically grown over the last two months, satellite images show."

"A photograph taken on Jan. 24 by Maxar Technologies, a U.S. defense contractor headquartered in Colorado, shows at least 121 burial plots in a section of the cemetery allotted to fighters from the private military company."

"An image of the same area taken on Nov. 24 appears to show around 17 graves, suggesting that in two months there has been around a sevenfold increase, according to an NBC News analysis of the site on the outskirts of the village of Bakinskaya, in southwestern Russia."

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3 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

I am relatively certain you would put your life at risk for your land and your freedom.

I was being serious on this one.  Andthen and I don't agree on much, but  I do think he is strong in his personal beliefs and would defend them.  I am not sure he thinks we should be helping anybody, but that is for him to say.  He might not jump to the defense of us liberals.   I think he is a little stiff-necked and stubborn, but not cowardly.

I think if he viewed Ukrainians as he views himself, religious and patriotic,  he would understand why they will not easily give up even in the face of death and tragedy.

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50 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

I could see a scenario where the U.S. supplies Ukraine with F-16s for 'defensive purposes'. These fighter jets can be used to take down Russian missiles or defend against Russian attack sorties.

But I don't think the U.S. fully trust Ukraine not to use them for offensive actions across the Russian border. I mean even the HIMARS units supplied to Ukraine were secretly modified not to take ATACMS.

Hi Occult

To date the Ukraine has shown no intention on attacking Russia, Occupied areas Ukraine are strike areas for Russian installations are fair game as that is illegally occupied areas that they are fighting to restore.

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52 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Granted the Russians are ****-up’s and Ukraine have had extraordinary help that few have ever had. At some point the Russians are gonna start looking at different tactics and organisation. These arms deliveries into Ukraine are coming because the Russians are adapting.

Hi UT

Not sure what you mean by adapting as they are still targeting infrastructure and civilian targets which they have been doing for months. If you mean increasing conscription and pushing more men in the combat zone then yes and the Ukraine is getting bigger and better fly swatters to deal with it which is to be expected.

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24 minutes ago, Trelane said:

You still didn't answer my questions for you, you only provided an emoji. So, I'll ask again. Using your (flawed) logic, are Iran, N Korea and China active participants? If so, they can then be sanctioned for assisting and providing support of an illegal invasion of a sovereign country.

Russia and Iran are trading a lot of military equipment and expertise. There is a case to be made that Iran is directly participating in Russia's war efforts. They have sent military personnel to Crimea.

There is evidence that NK is sending artillery shells and some Chinese companies might be providing nonlethal assistance to Russia but that's more of a token gesture.

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35 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

And Russia was clear it could retaliate to strike NATO countries.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukraine-war-kremlin-threatens-revenge-military-strikes-british-territory-101936730.html

That would probably lead to WW3.

Hi Occult

Retaliate against what exactly as NATO has not attacked them any act against a NATO member would be cause to bring them into the conflict.

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Looks like the Chechens are leaning more and more towards Ukraine.  Probably because they hate Russia more.  If they can keep Russia bleeding out in Ukraine, the Chechen  chance for a successful rebellion against Russia  is increasing.  How many of those 20 independent republics, will see it as a time to really become independent from Russia. 

What do you do  @Occult1 when the front lines in Ukraine are holding but the Russian empire is coming apart at the seams? Maybe the Russian will regret not being nicer to all of those minority populations.

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1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

Looks like the Chechens are leaning more and more towards Ukraine.  Probably because they hate Russia more.  If they can keep Russia bleeding out in Ukraine, the Chechen  chance for a successful rebellion against Russia  is increasing.  How many of those 20 independent republics, will see it as a time to really become independent from Russia. 

What do you do  @Occult1 when the front lines in Ukraine are holding but the Russian empire is coming apart at the seams? Maybe the Russian will regret not being nicer to all of those minority populations.

Hi Tate

Wouldn’t be surprised if the Chechen’s aren’t responsible for some of the mysterious fires that have happened in Russia 

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4 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Tate

Wouldn’t be surprised if the Chechen’s aren’t responsible for some of the mysterious fires that have happened in Russia 

Sure is likely.  Maybe it is hyperbole, but it seems  like both Russia and China are fraying apart.  I don't know what it really is,  authoritarian regimes or just  incompetence, but put Iran in there and  Belarus too.  They can make a quarter of the population cops to maintain law and order,  but  they can't produce prosperity for their citizens.

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2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Russia and Iran are trading a lot of military equipment and expertise. There is a case to be made that Iran is directly participating in Russia's war efforts. They have sent military personnel to Crimea.

There is evidence that NK is sending artillery shells and some Chinese companies might be providing nonlethal assistance to Russia but that's more of a token gesture.

So, they're actively participating then. Good, glad that's cleared up.

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57 minutes ago, Trelane said:

So, they're actively participating then. Good, glad that's cleared up.

What's your point? Russia is not isolated, despite what we were lead to believe. They still have allies.

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Trump Says He Could End Russia's War 'Within 24 Hours' of Negotiation

''Former President Donald Trump says he would successfully negotiate an end to the Russia-Ukraine war "within 24 hours."

Trump, who decades before becoming president was famously credited with authoring The Art of the Deal, which was ghostwritten, argued that his negotiation skills would easily end the conflict in an all-caps post to Truth Social on Thursday. Trump maintained that the war "would never have happened" if he had not been defeated by President Joe Biden in 2020, while asserting that he could still bring a quick end to the conflict as president.

"IF I WERE PRESIDENT, THE RUSSIA/UKRAINE WAR WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED, BUT EVEN NOW, IF PRESIDENT, I WOULD BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE AN END TO THIS HORRIBLE AND RAPIDLY ESCALATING WAR WITHIN 24 HOURS," wrote Trump. "SUCH A TRAGIC WASTE OF HUMAN LIFE!!!"

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-he-could-end-russias-war-within-24-hours-negotiation-1776959

 

Should Trump be the next President of the United States?

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1 hour ago, Occult1 said:

Should Trump be the next President of the United States?

The Russians sure think so. Trump would have given the Ukraine to Russia without a fight. 

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I just saw footage posted of Ukranian forces clearing trenches.  I noted something interesting about those trenches though... They were dug in sand.  There aren't many places in Ukraine which have sandy soil like that.  While the footage could have come from the Kinburn Spit, there were no artillery emplacements, so I am guessing that Ukrainian troops are conducting operations across the Dnipro.  That is something of a big deal as it isn't in the news yet.

In other news, a couple of days ago a Russian special forces recon and sabotage team into the Dnipro Delta islands on a civilian ship.  They were driven off and the ship was damaged.

I think there is far more going on than the fog of war lets us know, despite the weather.

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1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

The Russians sure think so. Trump would have given the Ukraine to Russia without a fight. 

I remember Trump dealing with Mexico and are tempted to believe him.

He is very decisive. He would tell Ukraine settle it or all NATO support ends. And probably tell Russia total sanctions if they dont sort it, combined with threatening to withdraw the US from NATO unless all NATO countries follow suite. 

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11 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

I remember Trump dealing with Mexico and are tempted to believe him.

He is very decisive. He would tell Ukraine settle it or all NATO support ends. And probably tell Russia total sanctions if they dont sort it, combined with threatening to withdraw the US from NATO unless all NATO countries follow suite. 

Trump was on Russia's payroll and has been since the 1990s.  He wouldn't say boo to Putin.  Remember how obsequious Trump was to Putin during their summits?  Even FOX News, normally a Trump Cult mouthpiece,  noticed and called Trump out as a traitorous little b**** over that. 

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1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

The Russians sure think so. Trump would have given the Ukraine to Russia without a fight. 

If there existed a fraction of logical truth in your statement Russia would have invaded while Trump was President. But nope.  Trump's unpredictable. The current loser in chief pedophile Biden announces everything he's going to do.  Just look at his disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal. Announced his plan ahead of time without any plan B. Same with all these weapons packages to Ukraine and now tanks.  They announce what they're sending and when they're sending them.  Absolutely no element of surprise.  Embarrassing.

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3 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

Trump was on Russia's payroll and has been since the 1990s.  He wouldn't say boo to Putin.  Remember how obsequious Trump was to Putin during their summits?  Even FOX News, normally a Trump Cult mouthpiece,  noticed and called Trump out as a traitorous little b**** over that. 

You have absolutely zero evidence of those accusations. In fact most of what you say is pure bs.

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39 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

I remember Trump dealing with Mexico and are tempted to believe him.

He is very decisive. He would tell Ukraine settle it or all NATO support ends. And probably tell Russia total sanctions if they dont sort it, combined with threatening to withdraw the US from NATO unless all NATO countries follow suite. 

Yes, that was very possible if Trump had been re-elected.  So you subscribe to the theory that the United States would have allowed Russia to launch a surprise attack and invasion of a sovereign nation and threatened NATO with consequences if they assisted in the defense of a sovereign nation on their border?  You are probably right.

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23 minutes ago, acidhead said:

If there existed a fraction of logical truth in your statement Russia would have invaded while Trump was President. But nope.  Trump's unpredictable. The current loser in chief pedophile Biden announces everything he's going to do.  Just look at his disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal. Announced his plan ahead of time without any plan B. Same with all these weapons packages to Ukraine and now tanks.  They announce what they're sending and when they're sending them.  Absolutely no element of surprise.  Embarrassing.

No, logic does not require Putin to invade Ukraine during Trump's first term.  Russia was planning a surprise attack and invasion.  How long does that take to arrange?

All the while possibly with  assistance from Russia, NATO seems to have been disintegrating and getting weaker by the day.  Trump had by that time said he wasn't even sure if the US should be in NATO.    Things were looking bleaker and it appeared to many that Trump would win a second term.  Putin probably thought so.  And of course during this time, Russia was filling the Ukrainian government with individuals loyal to Russia and possibly corrupt. Putin could have sat back and watched things disintegrate until he could  truly march into Kiev within a few days.

But Biden got elected, shocker!.  He told Europe the US was back and started strengthening ties again. He began to step up assistance to Ukraine.  Putin, as Trump and others have said is not stupid.  He saw Donald Trump was not ever going to regain power. He might have realized he was a hopeless undependable loser that had outlived his usefulness.  Putin saw his window of opportunity shrinking, so knowing reluctance for the US or NATO to get directly involved in a war with Russia, he blustered and launched his invasion.  He would have gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for those darn Ukrainians.  Few thought a comedian and a country with a small army could have lasted against the Russian military machine. Things have changed.

The timing of the invasion does not defy logic.

Military strategists, we are not, but one does not need to keep main battle tanks a surprise.  In fact announcing months in advance  gives the Russian army front line more to worry about and more time to surrender and save their own lives.  The Leopards will be the first wave, 80 to 100 of them.  Abrams will be the second wave, 30+.  With Strykers, Challengers, Bradleys already in place, Ukraine has a pretty formidable fighting force.  It truly takes time to train, deploy spare parts and prepare the logistics to support Abrams. Russia still has a pretty good intelligence service, that would not have remained a secret. Abrams probably won't get there until time for the summer and fall battles, but Ukraine is happy, Germany is happy, some of the US is happy, so it might be a win.

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1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

No, logic does not require Putin to invade Ukraine during Trump's first term.  Russia was planning a surprise attack and invasion.  How long does that take to arrange?

All the while possibly with  assistance from Russia, NATO seems to have been disintegrating and getting weaker by the day.  Trump had by that time said he wasn't even sure if the US should be in NATO.    Things were looking bleaker and it appeared to many that Trump would win a second term.  Putin probably thought so.  And of course during this time, Russia was filling the Ukrainian government with individuals loyal to Russia and possibly corrupt. Putin could have sat back and watched things disintegrate until he could  truly march into Kiev within a few days.

But Biden got elected, shocker!.  He told Europe the US was back and started strengthening ties again. He began to step up assistance to Ukraine.  Putin, as Trump and others have said is not stupid.  He saw Donald Trump was not ever going to regain power. He might have realized he was a hopeless undependable loser that had outlived his usefulness.  Putin saw his window of opportunity shrinking, so knowing reluctance for the US or NATO to get directly involved in a war with Russia, he blustered and launched his invasion.  He would have gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for those darn Ukrainians.  Few thought a comedian and a country with a small army could have lasted against the Russian military machine. Things have changed.

The timing of the invasion does not defy logic.

Military strategists, we are not, but one does not need to keep main battle tanks a surprise.  In fact announcing months in advance  gives the Russian army front line more to worry about and more time to surrender and save their own lives.  The Leopards will be the first wave, 80 to 100 of them.  Abrams will be the second wave, 30+.  With Strykers, Challengers, Bradleys already in place, Ukraine has a pretty formidable fighting force.  It truly takes time to train, deploy spare parts and prepare the logistics to support Abrams. Russia still has a pretty good intelligence service, that would not have remained a secret. Abrams probably won't get there until time for the summer and fall battles, but Ukraine is happy, Germany is happy, some of the US is happy, so it might be a win.

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…you got it all wrong mate. Putin was 4 year’s too late in his invasion of Ukraine. If it wasn’t for Covid Trump would have been re-elected and the world and Ukraine very different. In many ways Covid was a blessing and curse. 

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5 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Trump Says He Could End Russia's War 'Within 24 Hours' of Negotiation

''Former President Donald Trump says he would successfully negotiate an end to the Russia-Ukraine war "within 24 hours."

Trump, who decades before becoming president was famously credited with authoring The Art of the Deal, which was ghostwritten, argued that his negotiation skills would easily end the conflict in an all-caps post to Truth Social on Thursday. Trump maintained that the war "would never have happened" if he had not been defeated by President Joe Biden in 2020, while asserting that he could still bring a quick end to the conflict as president.

"IF I WERE PRESIDENT, THE RUSSIA/UKRAINE WAR WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED, BUT EVEN NOW, IF PRESIDENT, I WOULD BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE AN END TO THIS HORRIBLE AND RAPIDLY ESCALATING WAR WITHIN 24 HOURS," wrote Trump. "SUCH A TRAGIC WASTE OF HUMAN LIFE!!!"

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-he-could-end-russias-war-within-24-hours-negotiation-1776959

 

Should Trump be the next President of the United States?

Of course he would, after all he just won a golf tournament without being present, so Trump sure is strong in da force

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