Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Duke Wellington]

47 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Because he is unpredictable?  

Because he is decisive and clued up at negotiations.

[jmccr8]

3 hours ago, Occult1 said:

I would agree with you but Trump himself came out and claimed he could end this war in 24h. We should pay attention.

Are our current leaders keeping this war going on purpose, regardless of the risks of escalation and WW3? To what end?

Hi Occult

A. He is in no position to enact his words

B. The Ukraine is not subject to what Trump thinks

C. Europe is not under his authority and does have concerns about Russia

D. You can only shovel so much sh!t in a 45 gallon drum.

Trump is not and will not be president again so you are wasting your time flying his flag

Edited January 27, 2023 by jmccr8

[pellinore]

We all feel a bit happier about the decision to arm Ukraine better than we have so far. This is interesting:

 

[Occult1]

Any thoughts on the purge currently going on inside the Ukrainian government? There are waves of mass resignations even at the top level.

Edited January 27, 2023 by Occult1

[+Nuclear Wessel]

2 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Any thoughts on the purge currently going on inside the Ukrainian government? There are waves of mass resignations.

Source?

[Duke Wellington]

59 minutes ago, pellinore said:

We all feel a bit happier about the decision to arm Ukraine better than we have so far. This is interesting:

 

I dont know where they came up with that idea from.

Poland isn`t sending the latest generation Leopard 2s with arrowhead armour. It is sending an older variant they purchased off Germany and did up themselves. The Challenger 2 is actually better that the Polish tanks, and a T-90 has the ammunition to one shot them. But thankfully they both have the ammo to one shot a T-90 too.

This isn`t NATO gifting state of the art tanks, its NATO gifting its older stuff that needs replacing.

Edited January 27, 2023 by Cookie Monster

[Occult1]

5 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Source?

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/11458

[acidhead]

"War Is Peace"

 

[Occult1]

'Russians approaching, already on border': Ukrainians evacuate Bakhmut amid rising attacks

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/russians-approaching-already-on-border-ukrainians-evacuate-bakhmut-amid-rising-attacks-2327405-2023-01-28

 

 

Hearing reports that Russia is cutting Ukraine's supply lines for Bakhmut and completely surrounding the city.

[Occult1]

US advisers urge Ukraine to shift focus away from Bakhmut

US advisers are suggesting that Ukraine shift battlefield tactics, moving its focus away from the battle of attrition in Bakhmut to prepare for a counteroffensive that capitalizes on its new armored vehicles. But the decision will not be an easy one for President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, and fighters still holding out in Bakhmut.

https://www.dw.com/en/us-advisers-urge-ukraine-to-shift-focus-away-from-bakhmut/video-64538473

[Unusual Tournament]

4 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

I dont know where they came up with that idea from.

Poland isn`t sending the latest generation Leopard 2s with arrowhead armour. It is sending an older variant they purchased off Germany and did up themselves. The Challenger 2 is actually better that the Polish tanks, and a T-90 has the ammunition to one shot them. But thankfully they both have the ammo to one shot a T-90 too.

This isn`t NATO gifting state of the art tanks, its NATO gifting its older stuff that needs replacing.

With the exception of the Americans, which are delivering new build tanks but without the chobham armour package but won’t arrive until 12 months time.

Russian imperialism has been thoroughly destroyed. which was the reason for the defence of Ukraine. Now it’s up to the Ukrainian’s to decide if a protracted war or settlement better suits them. 

[Unusual Tournament]

5 hours ago, pellinore said:

We all feel a bit happier about the decision to arm Ukraine better than we have so far. This is interesting:

 

…the T-90’s were being slaughtered by javelin and other precision munitions already. The western Tank deliveries are not really needed. 

[Duke Wellington]

1 minute ago, Unusual Tournament said:

…the T-90’s were being slaughtered by javelin and other precision munitions already. The western Tank deliveries are not really needed. 

It looks like 1 battle group of tanks.

I doubt its for defence (as you say Javelins are sufficient). I suspect its to thrust down the middle to cut that motorway running across the south of Ukraine.

[Black Red Devil]

11 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Not to mention that the new direct participant in the war, Laos, just sent dozens of T-34 made in 1944 (literally) back to russia, so the issue of what is going to tow Armatas around was solved. 

Maybe they need old spare parts for Putin's hip and knee replacements.

[Tatetopa]

I wonder what Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson think of their buff, alpha male Russian Military now?

[Alchopwn]

22 hours ago, acidhead said:

You have absolutely zero evidence of those accusations. In fact most of what you say is pure bs.

What I have is WAY TOO MUCH circumstantial evidence that Trump works for Russia.  Sometimes if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.  Face facts, you can't do business in the NYC property market without rubbing up against organized crime.  Also, the Russians won't give you billions of dollars in bankruptcy bail-out money without leverage over you, and certainly not without "quid pro quo".  Trump took this lesson to heart, hence his "perfect phone call" to Ukraine about the quid pro quo, remember that? 

Simple fact: Trump took Russian money, so he also took the quid pro quo, which was "you work for us now".

You don't need to know Trump's character if you know the character of the FSB.  The character of the FSB?  Stop at nothing.  Nothing is too sleazy.  Nothing is too low.  Shop every tiny advantage, leverage everything.  Psychopaths, basically.

Edited January 28, 2023 by Alchopwn

[Alchopwn]

2 hours ago, acidhead said:

"War Is Peace"

Victory is Peace.  That is why we need to demolish Russian aggression.  If we don't they'll just keep coming West.

Edited January 28, 2023 by Alchopwn

[Alchopwn]

20 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

@Helen of Annoy it seems the Abrams America is sending are new build ones that will not have Chobham DU armour package. Up to 6 months to a year before they start receiving them. The war is bogged down. But on the plus side we have you to entertain us a while longer 

There have been encouraging signs within the US military that they may well speed things up with Abrams.  One of the generals pointed out that even if the USA sent an Abrams to Russia with a bow on it, they simply couldn't duplicate it within a decade, because Russian manufacturing is too primitive, and even if they could, the sanctions have denied them the necessary resources.  The report also mentioned that Ukranian crews could be up to speed with the Abrams within 30 days, and the maintenance claims are all exaggerated BS.

[Alchopwn]

2 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

…the T-90’s were being slaughtered by javelin and other precision munitions already. The western Tank deliveries are not really needed. 

The T-90s were slaughtered because Russia hasn't trained its military in even basic combined arms doctrine, as all the training money went on hookers and blow, as per usual.  Tanks require infantry support, and Russia has only recently figured this out.

Tanks aren't obsolete, it's just Russia for all its bluster has no tank doctrine worth phlegm.  Incidentally, neither did ISIS, when they squandered their arsenal of captured Abrams in stupid operations in Syria and Iraq that presumed tanks are invulnerable.  If one doesn't know how to use a tool, it is very likely one will break it without getting any value out of it.

The tanks being sent are necessary for Ukraine to go on the offensive.  Ukraine won't make the same mistake as the Russians have made.  Ukraine definitely has a proper working tank doctrine.  The Ukranians also need tanks that haven't got a built-in "suicide ring" inside their turret like the T-72.

The sooner Ukraine gets the tanks, the sooner the war will be over.

Edited January 28, 2023 by Alchopwn

[Unusual Tournament]

45 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

There have been encouraging signs within the US military that they may well speed things up with Abrams.  One of the generals pointed out that even if the USA sent an Abrams to Russia with a bow on it, they simply couldn't duplicate it within a decade, because Russian manufacturing is too primitive, and even if they could, the sanctions have denied them the necessary resources.  The report also mentioned that Ukranian crews could be up to speed with the Abrams within 30 days, and the maintenance claims are all exaggerated BS.

… bullchit or not, the arms being sent are not for Ukraine to win but to bring Russia to the negotiating table. 

[acidhead]

49 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

What I have is WAY TOO MUCH circumstantial evidence that Trump works for Russia.  Sometimes if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.  Face facts, you can't do business in the NYC property market without rubbing up against organized crime.  Also, the Russians won't give you billions of dollars in bankruptcy bail-out money without leverage over you, and certainly not without "quid pro quo".  Trump took this lesson to heart, hence his "perfect phone call" to Ukraine about the quid pro quo, remember that? 

Simple fact: Trump took Russian money, so he also took the quid pro quo, which was "you work for us now".

You don't need to know Trump's character if you know the character of the FSB.  The character of the FSB?  Stop at nothing.  Nothing is too sleazy.  Nothing is too low.  Shop every tiny advantage, leverage everything.  Psychopaths, basically.

Well that settles it.  I suppose I owe you an apology and a huge thanks... for absolutely nothing!  Circumstantial bs is more like it.  Imagine my shock

[acidhead]

55 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

Victory is Peace.  That is why we need to demolish Russian aggression.  If we don't they'll just keep coming West.

"We"?  Who is "we"?  Don't include me in your war fantasies.  In fact, if you love this war so much why don't you put your money where your big fat mouth is and go fight it yourself instead of standing, not with but behind the Ukrainians. That's right. Quit your job, pack your bags, your wife and the kids and you go over there and fight if this is what you believe.  "We"?  No, you go do it. 

[pellinore]

Ukraine has been promised over 300 modern tanks:

"As of today, numerous countries have officially confirmed their agreement to deliver 321 heavy tanks to Ukraine," Vadym Omelchenko, Ukraine's ambassador to France, said in an interview with French TV station BFM.

Total of 321 heavy tanks promised to Ukraine - Ukraine ambassador to France (msn.com)

Edited January 28, 2023 by pellinore

[Alchopwn]

47 minutes ago, acidhead said:

"We"?  Who is "we"?  Don't include me in your war fantasies.  In fact, if you love this war so much why don't you put your money where your big fat mouth is and go fight it yourself instead of standing, not with but behind the Ukrainians. That's right. Quit your job, pack your bags, your wife and the kids and you go over there and fight if this is what you believe.  "We"?  No, you go do it. 

I actually checked up as to whether I could volunteer.  Sadly the UAF didn't need my translating skills.  Basically I'm too old for active service in the UAF.  Had I been career military things might have been different.  Most foreign volunteers are being turned back.  You actually have to pay a bribe in order to join the Ukranian Territorials, the demand to fight Russia is so high.  Compare that to the Russians fleeing their country to avoid the draft...

Edited January 28, 2023 by Alchopwn

[Alchopwn]

54 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Well that settles it.  I suppose I owe you an apology and a huge thanks... for absolutely nothing!  Circumstantial bs is more like it.  Imagine my shock

If you know the FSB, you know who Trump works for.  Don't pretend to be a US patriot by supporting Trump. It will all come out after Putin's regime falls.

Edited January 28, 2023 by Alchopwn