el midgetron Posted January 28, 2023 #22951 Share Posted January 28, 2023 A top American air force general has predicted that the US and China will probably go to war in 2025, in the most dramatic warning yet from a senior military officer about the likelihood of a conflict over Taiwan. General Mike Minihan, head of US Air Mobility Command, said the two military powers were likely to end up at war because of a series of circumstances that would embolden Chinese president Xi Jinping. “I hope I am wrong. My gut tells me we will fight in 2025,” Minihan wrote in a private memo to his top commanders obtained by NBC news and seen by the Financial Times. “Xi secured his third term [as Communist party general secretary] and set [sic] his war council in October 2022. Taiwan’s presidential elections are in 2024 and will offer Xi a reason,” Minihan wrote. Minihan added that the 2024 presidential elections in the US would create a “distracted America” that would benefit the Chinese president. “Xi’s team, reason, and opportunity are all aligned for 2025,” he concluded. https://www.ft.com/content/2b50ce67-bf88-4aff-bac9-eb9ac1b3b2ca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted January 28, 2023 #22952 Share Posted January 28, 2023 50 minutes ago, el midgetron said: A top American air force general has predicted that the US and China will probably go to war in 2025, in the most dramatic warning yet from a senior military officer about the likelihood of a conflict over Taiwan. General Mike Minihan, head of US Air Mobility Command, said the two military powers were likely to end up at war because of a series of circumstances that would embolden Chinese president Xi Jinping. “I hope I am wrong. My gut tells me we will fight in 2025,” Minihan wrote in a private memo to his top commanders obtained by NBC news and seen by the Financial Times. “Xi secured his third term [as Communist party general secretary] and set [sic] his war council in October 2022. Taiwan’s presidential elections are in 2024 and will offer Xi a reason,” Minihan wrote. Minihan added that the 2024 presidential elections in the US would create a “distracted America” that would benefit the Chinese president. “Xi’s team, reason, and opportunity are all aligned for 2025,” he concluded. https://www.ft.com/content/2b50ce67-bf88-4aff-bac9-eb9ac1b3b2ca So, it's just pure speculation? We can treat that with the contempt it deserves then. (A little far fetched imho though). I'm sure many other officials have many other predictions from one extreme to another that are all plausible. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted January 28, 2023 #22953 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted January 28, 2023 #22954 Share Posted January 28, 2023 6 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said: russian zombies tell each other their orcs have destroyed the first Abrams, near Bakhmut. Just because Abrams tanks haven't arrived yet to Ukraine is not an obstacle for russian bizarrely stupid propaganda. If true, that is the height of dumbness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted January 28, 2023 #22955 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, el midgetron said: A top American air force general has predicted that the US and China will probably go to war in 2025, in the most dramatic warning yet from a senior military officer about the likelihood of a conflict over Taiwan. General Mike Minihan, head of US Air Mobility Command, said the two military powers were likely to end up at war because of a series of circumstances that would embolden Chinese president Xi Jinping. “I hope I am wrong. My gut tells me we will fight in 2025,” Minihan wrote in a private memo to his top commanders obtained by NBC news and seen by the Financial Times. “Xi secured his third term [as Communist party general secretary] and set [sic] his war council in October 2022. Taiwan’s presidential elections are in 2024 and will offer Xi a reason,” Minihan wrote. Minihan added that the 2024 presidential elections in the US would create a “distracted America” that would benefit the Chinese president. “Xi’s team, reason, and opportunity are all aligned for 2025,” he concluded. https://www.ft.com/content/2b50ce67-bf88-4aff-bac9-eb9ac1b3b2ca …looking for more funding from congress 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud the mackem Posted January 28, 2023 #22956 Share Posted January 28, 2023 On 1/27/2023 at 7:27 PM, Occult1 said: I would agree with you but Trump himself came out and claimed he could end this war in 24h. We should pay attention. Are our current leaders keeping this war going on purpose, regardless of the risks of escalation and WW3? To what end? Why do you keep on about Trump when he is no longer a threat to America or the World , Trumps ego is as big as a house , and he keeps on blathering to keep himself noticed ,if he had been a good senible POTUS he may have had another 4 years ,but that went down the pan when he exposed himself for what he is , a self centered idiot . 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted January 28, 2023 #22957 Share Posted January 28, 2023 9 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said: russian intentions were to signal willingness to join Western alliances so russia has direct access to Western intelligence, decision-making and in short, to sabotage them from inside. What various Orbans are trying to do, that would russia do but with much stronger leverages. You know the doves/hawks/owls theory... poopler is a rodent. Always gnawing his way through history, leaving very distinct turds behind. Both hawks and owls gladly dine on rodents. I normally like doves, but they should **** off for a while. It's complicated enough without their deliberate stupidity. Yes, yes, rant over. That's the way the Bush Administration saw it as well apparently and the rest of NATO must have just gone along with Bush & co. Maybe Putin was a true believer in the saying "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". The flip of that coin is that it also works for the other side. But maybe Vladdy really had good amicable intentions and became disgruntled, let down and nasty because he got rejected. Considering his track record as a dictator and who knows what he got up to as a KGB operative, I think the West ducked and dived out of that one. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted January 28, 2023 #22958 Share Posted January 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Occult1 said: Russia's major offensive planned by one-year anniversary of invasion, top security official warns ''Russia is planning a major offensive against Kyiv by the one-year anniversary of its invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Oleksiy Danilov told Radio Free Europe Friday. "Now they are preparing for maximum activation, taking into account the fact that these are people from the ‘scoop’, and they believe that by the anniversary they should have some achievements. It is no secret that they are preparing for a new wave by February 24," Danilov said. Ukraine and Western defense officials have repeatedly warned that Russia is planning a wave offensive in an attempt to turn the tide in the war. '' https://www.foxnews.com/world/russias-major-offensive-planned-one-year-anniversary-invasion-top-security-official-warns "Danilov reportedly said that first Russia will look to secure the Donetsk and Luhansk regions" They've finally decided what their main objective is after a year. Maybe they should start in a small town called Bakhmut. It should only take them a day or two...... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted January 29, 2023 #22959 Share Posted January 29, 2023 (edited) Speaking of Bakhmut, Ukraine is apparently struggling to hold it. Across the entire front Russia is on the offensive which would explain the sudden inclination to fast tract new weapons systems. one a side note - I saw a map (can’t recall where) that showed Russian control of all of Ukraine’s coastal areas. Very dangerous situation as this would halve Ukraine’s geostrategic value for almost any other future president if Russia is allowed to consolidate and give the Putin narrative some support at home. Ukraine really needs some runs in the board and those tanks ASAP. This has to end before the U.S. elections in 2 years Edited January 29, 2023 by Unusual Tournament 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted January 29, 2023 #22960 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Zelensky has been a tremendous war time leader. I believe Ukraine will ultimately have to make territorial concessions to the world’s biggest nuclear power. It just doesn’t seem right he should have to bare the burden of this call and tarnish his name. There should be a council elected to replace him at some point before any mention of peace talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted January 29, 2023 #22961 Share Posted January 29, 2023 On 1/26/2023 at 4:46 PM, Unusual Tournament said: Agree! If you supply F-16’s then why would ATACMS be problematic If the longest range ATACMS are used to bomb sites inside Russia, he may not nuke anyone but he will not be able to shout down his hawks. Handing off a few nukes to Venezuela or Iran might be a good retort. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted January 29, 2023 #22962 Share Posted January 29, 2023 On 1/27/2023 at 5:45 PM, Occult1 said: Any thoughts on the purge currently going on inside the Ukrainian government? There are waves of mass resignations even at the top level. It seems that a few were caught stealing from the funds they are being given. He had to jump on THAT story very quickly. Some unreasonable American might demand an audit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 29, 2023 #22963 Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 hour ago, and-then said: Handing off a few nukes to Venezuela or Iran might be a good retort. Hi And Then That is a possibility so took a look and it seems that tracking it by satellite the transport of nuclear material has been going on for some time. Not sure that any transport to either Iran or Venezuela would go undetected or spring a leak in international water, India and 5 other countries have stealth ships for finding and tracking the movements of nuclear materials. With things going the way they are am sure everything is being employed to detect and deter any donations of nukes to another country. US Satellite Detection Of Portable Nuclear Weapons "If an internal nuclear attack ever occurs in this country without a major failure of our satellite assets...perhaps we should rethink just who the enemy really is..." From Robert (name protected) 11-7-1 As you have probably heard from the major news networks, there is some concern about the so-called portable nuclear devices developed by the old USSR. Their former head of the KGB has confirmed the existence of 150 portable devices: 100 of which are presently unaccounted for. First of all, portable refers to a low yield device with casing that would require an 18 wheeler to transport! "Suitcase device" is a misnomer. Second, none of these devices are missing; We know exactly where these devices are located at any given point in time. This is how we know: During the 1980's I worked as a Senior Systems Engineer for several DOD companies in San Diego (Advanced Digital Systems and SAIC). While in this position I was tasked with developing a "Fleet Satellite Catastrophic Restoral Plan" for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. My group was to develop a method for satellite intelligence restoral in the event of a space born nuclear strike by the Soviet Union. In the course of this study, we had to review all satellite capabilities and characteristics: both current and projected through the early ninety's. A series of satellites planned to begin deployment in 1989 (temporarily delayed by the Shuttle explosion) are now aloft (2nd phase of the MILSTAR Program) They carry special sensor devices (Developed by SAIC) that can detect high-velocity spin-off particles from enriched uranium (necessary for nuclear devices). Due to the small size and velocity of these particles, no amount of shielding can block them: not lead, not earth (sub-terrainian). Radiation hazards from these particles are minimal due to limited quantity. Our satellites are fool-proof in detecting and pin-pointing the locations of enriched uranium throughout the world. The nuclear verification process employed in monitoring Iraq and other nations via NATO and the United Nations uses these satellite joint detection systems (the NSA controls and tracks the data). Many articles concerning these satellites have already been written in specialty magazines (Defense Science and Electronics-for one). Any attempt to bring a nuclear device into our country would be instantly detected (not to mention the track of its mobile transport). Once again, the major US media resorts to half-truths for the benefit of ratings: "Stay tuned for more on our impending annihilation!" their unspoken headlines read, If an internal nuclear attack ever occurs in this country without a major failure of our satellite assets...perhaps we should rethink just who the enemy really is... While at SAIC, I worked special projects for Dick Egger (heir-apparent to Bob Beyster). As SAIC is now the top think tank for DOD, Admiral Poindexter (I worked for him as an NSO officer) has replaced Egger. The "Black Ops" for SAIC are under Poindexter's control and include PSYOPS developed in the San Diego area. Former pres. Bush Senior is STILL IN CHARGE of the old CIA ops group Poindexter represents. Just as in IRAN/CONTRA, the funding is private! I believe our capabilities to detect nukes is "With Intent" being hushed by the special interest group from the Bush Presidency (there really is a World Order crowd!) - now operating through Bush Jr. I am known to these people (I worked within their organization for almost 10 years...til' I woke up). You can verify with Oliver North. He will not admit, but say to him: "The meeting at Pacer Systems in 1982 was taped and remains with the other documents bearing Bush Senior's signature - you only retrieved what I set aside for retrieval"...you can gauge his reaction for yourself... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted January 29, 2023 #22964 Share Posted January 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said: I believe Ukraine will ultimately have to make territorial concessions On what basis? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occult1 Posted January 29, 2023 #22965 Share Posted January 29, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said: Speaking of Bakhmut, Ukraine is apparently struggling to hold it. Across the entire front Russia is on the offensive which would explain the sudden inclination to fast tract new weapons systems. Bakhmut is about to fall. Russia is taking over their supply lines, encircling the city and are outnumbering Ukrainian forces. Russia has also more weapons. U.S. officials are now telling Kyiv to make a tactical withdrawal and move on. There is absolutely no point wating more manpower for a city that it is pretty much guaranteed to fall sooner or later. Kyiv Says Forces Outnumbered, Battling 'Intensifying' Russian Attacks Near Bakhmut https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-bakhmut-intensfying-ukraine-forces-outumbered/32239648.html Edited January 29, 2023 by Occult1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occult1 Posted January 29, 2023 #22966 Share Posted January 29, 2023 14 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said: On what basis? I think his point is that unless Ukraine can reverse all of it's territorial losses since 2014 (which is very unlikely), they will have to make concessions, or live in a state of perpetual war. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted January 29, 2023 #22967 Share Posted January 29, 2023 15 minutes ago, Occult1 said: I think his point is that unless Ukraine can reverse all of it's territorial losses since 2014 (which is very unlikely), they will have to make concessions, or live in a state of perpetual war. I appreciate your input, but he can respond for himself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted January 29, 2023 #22968 Share Posted January 29, 2023 20 hours ago, pellinore said: Maybe not. There was a commentator on BBC News this morning saying the West may try to stop Ukraine taking Crimea. It might unacceptable to Russia and prevent any negotiated end to the war. My personal view is that if they get Russia on the back foot militarily they should keep going- Russia will only take another pop at them if they are given any breathing space. Actually I think the commentator is wrong. I think the wind has changed and Germany and France have woken up. I think Macron and Schotz were of an opinion that somehow they could turn the clock back to ceteris paribus like an episode of Star Trek where everything is normal at the start of the episode and back to normal by the end, but that isn't going to happen. It can't be like that anymore. The only way this can end is for Putin's regime to end and the Russian Federation to be broken up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted January 29, 2023 #22969 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Oops! Problems in Iran: 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereWeAreThen Posted January 29, 2023 #22970 Share Posted January 29, 2023 18 minutes ago, pellinore said: Oops! Problems in Iran: Reports of gunfire between IRGC and insurgents in a few cities aswell. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted January 29, 2023 #22971 Share Posted January 29, 2023 16 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said: russian zombies tell each other their orcs have destroyed the first Abrams, near Bakhmut. Just because Abrams tanks haven't arrived yet to Ukraine is not an obstacle for russian bizarrely stupid propaganda. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted January 29, 2023 #22972 Share Posted January 29, 2023 11 hours ago, el midgetron said: A top American air force general has predicted that the US and China will probably go to war in 2025, in the most dramatic warning yet from a senior military officer about the likelihood of a conflict over Taiwan. General Mike Minihan, head of US Air Mobility Command, said the two military powers were likely to end up at war because of a series of circumstances that would embolden Chinese president Xi Jinping. “I hope I am wrong. My gut tells me we will fight in 2025,” Minihan wrote in a private memo to his top commanders obtained by NBC news and seen by the Financial Times. “Xi secured his third term [as Communist party general secretary] and set [sic] his war council in October 2022. Taiwan’s presidential elections are in 2024 and will offer Xi a reason,” Minihan wrote. Minihan added that the 2024 presidential elections in the US would create a “distracted America” that would benefit the Chinese president. “Xi’s team, reason, and opportunity are all aligned for 2025,” he concluded. https://www.ft.com/content/2b50ce67-bf88-4aff-bac9-eb9ac1b3b2ca China is going sufficiently badly domestically that war may be their "hail mary" for the CCP to stay in power. On the other hand, while their instruments of state repression are reasonable, their military has all the hallmarks of being every bit as bad as Russia's. Incidentally the CCP has disappeared about a million people after the November 2022 demonstrations. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted January 29, 2023 #22973 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Few numbers: 400,000 jeeps & trucks 14,000 airplanes 8,000 tractors 13,000 tanks Quote [...] America sent arms and equipment to the Soviet Union to help it defeat the Nazi invasion.[...] (link) Just 1% of those numbers delivered to Ukraine would significantly strenghten UAF, not to mention 10%... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted January 29, 2023 #22974 Share Posted January 29, 2023 33 minutes ago, pellinore said: Russians have no shame, do they? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted January 29, 2023 #22975 Share Posted January 29, 2023 10 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said: Russians have no shame, do they? Propaganda is a political tool that is very effective with their home audience. Their own population is the main target for their nonsense, and they have difficulty getting access to independent news. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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