Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Stiff]

22 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Says who? 

Says the people who've pointed it out many times already.

[Unusual Tournament]

2 minutes ago, Stiff said:

Says the people who've pointed it out many times already.

…well if they can delve deep into the mind of a mad man then they’re smarter than me

[Stiff]

4 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

…well if they can delve deep into the mind of a mad man then they’re smarter than me

Oh, I imagine they are.

[Occult1]

3 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

It's not a war crime if it's being used for military purposes, it doesnt require actively fighting from it.  Russia using it as a logistics station or a command and control point is enough to make it a legitimate military target.

Interesting you care about war crimes now when you think you can blame Ukraine for committing them but ignore or wave away Russian war crimes.

Seems pretty obvious that both sides are commiting war crimes but some people here only acknowledge the crimes commited by Russia and completely ignores it when Ukraine is accused on targeting civilian infrastructure, including health care facilities. I think it's a great exemple of cognitive dissonance.

Edited January 29, 2023 by Occult1

[Occult1]

4 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

It wasn't full of wounded, it was converted into barracks. 

Both sides can claim the exact same thing, that any civilian infrastructure they target is serving a military purpose but without providing evidence it's meaningless.

Edited January 29, 2023 by Occult1

[DarkHunter]

11 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Seems pretty obvious that both sides are commiting war crimes but some people here only acknowledge the crimes commited by Russia and completely ignores it when Ukraine is accused on targeting civilian infrastructure, including health care facilities. I think it's a great exemple of cognitive dissonance.

You outright ignored or claimed actual proof of Russian war crimes were western propaganda.  

[Trelane]

19 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Seems pretty obvious that both sides are commiting war crimes but some people here only acknowledge the crimes commited by Russia and completely ignores it when Ukraine is accused on targeting civilian infrastructure, including health care facilities. I think it's a great exemple of cognitive dissonance.

Time for the daily reminder that one side is committing war crimes in execution of an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation.

[el midgetron]

Former President Donald Trump called for peace negotiations to end the war between Russia and Ukraine and pledged he would quickly begin deporting illegal aliens if elected president while speaking at his first official campaign-trail event in South Carolina on Saturday night.

“Through weakness and incompetence, Joe Biden has brought us to the brink of World War III. We’re at the brink of World War III, just in case anyone doesn’t know it,” Trump said, flanked by Gov. Henry McMaster (R-SC) and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), the chiefs of his campaign’s South Carolina leadership team. “As president, I will bring back peace through strength.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/29/trump-calls-peace-negotiations-end-ukraine-war-deportation-people-streaming-across-u-s-border/

[jmccr8]

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Seems pretty obvious that both sides are commiting war crimes but some people here only acknowledge the crimes commited by Russia and completely ignores it when Ukraine is accused on targeting civilian infrastructure, including health care facilities. I think it's a great exemple of cognitive dissonance.

Hi Occult

Maybe if it was actually being used as a hospital with civilians in it rather then barracks being used by Russian soldiers you might be able to use that as an argument.

It was a military target used by invading forces which is a legitimate target.

[jmccr8]

5 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

…well if they can delve deep into the mind of a mad man then they’re smarter than me

Hi UT

Putin has made public statements on media where he says they won’t use nukes for first strike purposes and the west won’t either all of which has been posted in this thread.

Of course Putin also said he wouldn’t invade the Ukraine so his word is suspect generally speaking but even he has family and wants to live so one cannot discount that.

[jmccr8]

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Seems pretty obvious that both sides are commiting war crimes but some people here only acknowledge the crimes commited by Russia and completely ignores it when Ukraine is accused on targeting civilian infrastructure, including health care facilities. I think it's a great exemple of cognitive dissonance.

Hi Occult

By all means do show links that support your contention, to date the Ukraine has not targeted civilian sites nor have they raped, tortured, murdered and buried civilians in mass graves. I doubt that you will find anything anywhere that can be used to support your claim.

[Unusual Tournament]

Just now, jmccr8 said:

Hi UT

Putin has made public statements on media where he says they won’t use nukes for first strike purposes and the west won’t either all of which has been posted in this thread.

Of course Putin also said he wouldn’t invade the Ukraine so his word is suspect generally speaking but even he has family and wants to live so one cannot discount that.

…ambiguous statements that could mean anything. Look the Russians have inbuilt suicidal tendencies. Anyone that’s famous has either drunk themselves into oblivion or eaten a pistol. If you think Russia is just gonna accept defeat (because that’s what will happen) and sulk back to their borders has rocks in their heads. 

[Unusual Tournament]

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Both sides can claim the exact same thing, that any civilian infrastructure they target is serving a military purpose but without providing evidence it's meaningless.

Russia is the aggressor. That’s all that needs to be said 

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, el midgetron said:

Former President Donald Trump called for peace negotiations to end the war between Russia and Ukraine and pledged he would quickly begin deporting illegal aliens if elected president while speaking at his first official campaign-trail event in South Carolina on Saturday night.

“Through weakness and incompetence, Joe Biden has brought us to the brink of World War III. We’re at the brink of World War III, just in case anyone doesn’t know it,” Trump said, flanked by Gov. Henry McMaster (R-SC) and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), the chiefs of his campaign’s South Carolina leadership team. “As president, I will bring back peace through strength.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/29/trump-calls-peace-negotiations-end-ukraine-war-deportation-people-streaming-across-u-s-border/

Hi El

Trump is irrelevant and just pumping for the election in 2 years so take it for what it is worth neither him or Biden will be elected again.

[jmccr8]

10 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

…ambiguous statements that could mean anything. Look the Russians have inbuilt suicidal tendencies. Anyone that’s famous has either drunk themselves into oblivion or eaten a pistol. If you think Russia is just gonna accept defeat (because that’s what will happen) and sulk back to their borders has rocks in their heads. 

Hi UT

No I don’t have rocks in my head, that said my skull is made of the finest Irish granite that can be found. His defeat will be because his country collapses from within. They are feeling the costs of sanctions not so win or lose those doors are closed to them for decades to come.

[Unusual Tournament]

Just now, jmccr8 said:

Hi UT

No I don’t have rocks in my head, that said my skull is made of the finest Irish granite that can be found. His defeat will be because his country collapses from within. They are feeling the costs of sanctions not so win or lose those doors are closed to them for decades to come.

Granite is a rock  No country collapses within during a war, sanctions or not. People need to understand American foreign policy is meant to manage Putin and give Ukraine the bare minimum to win without escalating. At some point dropping a small tactical weapon, even a dirty or chemical bomb is gonna speak louder than any column of T-90 tanks

[jmccr8]

11 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Granite is a rock  No country collapses within during a war, sanctions or not. People need to understand American foreign policy is meant to manage Putin and give Ukraine the bare minimum to win without escalating. At some point dropping a small tactical weapon, even a dirty or chemical bomb is gonna speak louder than any column of T-90 tanks

Hi UT

People are protesting and there are people that will vie for Putin’s position that have their own paramilitary. There are also factions that want to break away from Russia and the more Russia invests in fighting the Ukraine the weaker his internal control will be.

All the refinery’s and military sites that have gone boom in Russia were done by Russians and not Ukrainians and can get much worst.

Putin and pals have been lying about the loses of personal and blowing up himars and now tanks that haven’t even arrived in the Ukraine and at some point his citizens will realize what is going on.

PS

Exactly my skull is a solid rock and not a bunch of loose pebbles rattling around like maracas.

Edited January 30, 2023 by jmccr8

[Occult1]

Some Western Backers of Ukraine Worry That Time Might Be on Russia’s Side

Behind the decision to sharply step up Western military aid to Ukraine lies a worry in some Western capitals that time might be on Russia’s side. 

That concern suggests the window for Ukraine isn’t indefinite and it needs powerful Western weapons—main battle tanks, other armored vehicles and more air-defense systems—soon to reinforce the momentum it achieved in offensive successes around Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson last year.

That is a contrast with the sentiment widespread last spring when Russian troops were on the retreat from Kyiv. With Russian President Vladimir Putin‘s initial war plan in disarray, Western governments at the time were hopeful that the longer the fighting went on, the more likely Ukraine would prevail.''

https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-western-backers-of-ukraine-worry-that-time-might-be-on-russias-side-11674969063

[el midgetron]

With tanks checked off the list, Ukrainian leaders have renewed their public appeals for Western fighter jets.

“I sent a wish list card to Santa Claus last year, and fighter jets also [were] including in this wish list,” Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov told CNN this week.

Publicly, Western leaders eschew discussion of fighter jets going to Ukraine, and they were not officially on the agenda of a meeting between Ukraine and its allies in Ramstein, Germany, last week.

But while last year the delivery of fighter jets was declared by the Pentagon press secretary to bring “little increased capabilities, at high risk,” now Jon Finer, the US Deputy National Security Adviser, says that they have “not ruled in or out any specific systems,” including the F-16.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/26/europe/ukraine-tanks-fighter-jets-intl/index.html

As Ukraine prepares to launch a new offensive to retake territory in the spring, the campaign inside the Defense Department for fighter jets is gaining momentum, according to a DoD official and two other people involved in the discussions. Those people, along with others interviewed for this story, asked not to be named in order to discuss internal matters.

Spurred in part by the rapid approval of tanks and Patriot air defense systems — which not long ago were off-limits for export to Ukraine — there is renewed optimism in Kyiv that U.S. jets could be next up.
 

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/28/pentagon-send-f-16s-ukraine-00080045

[Duke Wellington]

6 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Seems pretty obvious that both sides are commiting war crimes but some people here only acknowledge the crimes commited by Russia and completely ignores it when Ukraine is accused on targeting civilian infrastructure, including health care facilities. I think it's a great exemple of cognitive dissonance.

We have to be careful of rogue soldiers committing crimes, mistakes with air and missile targets, a state level policy of war crimes, and even a state using human shields.

For this reason no one here has any right to claim either side guilty or war crimes, and we should take such claims from the media and politicians with a pinch of salt. Let an independent tribunal review it after the conflict based on actual evidence. No one can claim both either side in a conflict is guilty as its not exactly free from bias.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Cookie Monster

[el midgetron]

Speaking at the Australian Lowy Institute, US billionaire and Microsoft founder Bill Gates called the government in Kiev one of the worst in the world because of the strong corruption, RIA Novosti reports

In particular, the American businessman said, “The Ukrainian government is one of the worst in the world: it is corrupt and controlled only by a few wealthy people. I mean it’s really unfortunate for the nation.”

https://www.sb.by/en/bill-gates-described-ukraine-government-as-one-of-the-worst-.html

 

The above clip edits out the beginning of Gate’s response where he says “pre-war…”. However, the question Gates was responding to asked about Zelensky’s leadership and how Zelensky has communicated the urgency of his challenge to the world. 

Full video below. Clips starts at the 27:20 mark -

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/event/preparing-global-challenges-conversation-bill-gates

 

 

 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

6 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

Speaking at the Australian Lowy Institute, US billionaire and Microsoft founder Bill Gates called the government in Kiev one of the worst in the world because of the strong corruption, RIA Novosti reports

In particular, the American businessman said, “The Ukrainian government is one of the worst in the world: it is corrupt and controlled only by a few wealthy people. I mean it’s really unfortunate for the nation.”

https://www.sb.by/en/bill-gates-described-ukraine-government-as-one-of-the-worst-.html

 

The above clip edits out the beginning of Gate’s response where he says “pre-war…”. However, the question Gates was responding to asked about Zelensky’s leadership and how Zelensky has communicated the urgency of his challenge to the world. 

Full video below. Clips starts at the 27:20 mark -

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/event/preparing-global-challenges-conversation-bill-gates

 

 

 

Bill’s just pist that people aren!t talking about him.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

Just now, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Bill’s just pist that people aren!t talking about him.

Midget is still prattling on about how corrupt Ukraine is… lol 

[Occult1]

Ukraine war: Russian athletes cannot be allowed at Olympics, Zelensky says

''Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says that allowing Russia to compete at the 2024 Olympics in Paris would amount to showing that "terror is somehow acceptable".

He said he had raised the issue with French President Emmanuel Macron.

Moscow must not be allowed to use the Olympics for propaganda, he added.

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) has said Russian and Belarusian athletes could compete as neutrals at the Olympics.

But Ukraine has threatened to boycott Paris 2024 if Russian and Belarusian athletes are allowed to compete.''

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64448808

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Just now, Occult1 said:

Ukraine war: Russian athletes cannot be allowed at Olympics, Zelensky says

''Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says that allowing Russia to compete at the 2024 Olympics in Paris would amount to showing that "terror is somehow acceptable".

He said he had raised the issue with French President Emmanuel Macron.

Moscow must not be allowed to use the Olympics for propaganda, he added.

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) has said Russian and Belarusian athletes could compete as neutrals at the Olympics.

But Ukraine has threatened to boycott Paris 2024 if Russian and Belarusian athletes are allowed to compete.''

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64448808

There should be some sort of consequence to invading someone else’s country.