Finland & Sweden set to join NATO in a few months

[zep73]

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Finland and Sweden could join NATO as early as this summer amid Russian invasion of Ukraine as US officials blast Putin's 'massive strategic blunder'

• Membership is said to have been discussed between NATO's foreign ministers
• Finland expected to apply to join in June, followed by neighbouring Sweden 
• It has been neutral since WW2, but polls have shown public favours joining
• Sweden, meanwhile, is undertaking review of security due to finish this month
• Comes despite Russian threats of 'military consequences' if they join NATO

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10705989/Finland-Sweden-join-NATO-early-summer-amid-Russian-invasion-Ukraine.html

[spartan max2]

Attacking non-NATO countries really makes people wanted to join one of the largest military alliances. 

Shocking lol

[zep73]

6 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Attacking non-NATO countries really makes people wanted to join one of the largest military alliances. 

Shocking lol

Putin has shot himself in the foot. Schadenfreude! 

[quiXilver]

He's a rabid dog and proves with every hour the old saying "you can't sleep next to a rabid dog.  It must be put down before one can rest."

 

[Raptor Witness]

4 hours ago, zep73 said:

Putin has shot himself in the foot.

If they could speed up the process of NATO membership, it might help get rid of Putin, because it would be a political disaster for him.

[zep73]

Turkish dictator wannabe Erdogan threatens to block Finland & Sweden from joining NATO

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-middle-east-turkey-moscow-sweden-49d5297a0dff391e5de9f24f6b3a390a

I say kick out Turkey and let our Nordic friends join, if needed!

[DarkHunter]

1 hour ago, zep73 said:

Turkish dictator wannabe Erdogan threatens to block Finland & Sweden from joining NATO

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-middle-east-turkey-moscow-sweden-49d5297a0dff391e5de9f24f6b3a390a

I say kick out Turkey and let our Nordic friends join, if needed!

Turkey just wants some concessions on trade deals or wants some kind of military hardware.  It's annoying but Turkey does this all the time, my guess is they will want back into the F-35 program or a rather lucrative trade deal before they shut up about potentially blocking Sweden and Finland.  

A lot of problems with Turkey will probably go away once Erdogan is gone, he wont be the leader of Turkey forever and until relatively recently Turkey has generally been a reliable NATO member. 

[Occult1]

1 hour ago, zep73 said:

I say kick out Turkey and let our Nordic friends join, if needed!

The Turkish Armed Forces is the second largest military force in NATO, after the U.S. They have a powerful army. Kicking them out of NATO would significantly weaken the alliance. The danger for NATO in getting too big is that it might end up imploding from inside, as each of these countries have their own personal interests. Needlessy provoking Russia is not in everyone's best interest. We'll see if Turkey and Croatia can play the troublemakers.

Edited Friday at 06:37 PM by Occult1

[spartan max2]

57 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

The Turkish Armed Forces is the second largest military force in NATO, after the U.S. They have a powerful army. Kicking them out of NATO would significantly weaken the alliance. The danger for NATO in getting too big is that it might end up imploding from inside, as each of these countries have their own personal interests. Needlessy provoking Russia is not in everyone's best interest. We'll see if Turkey and Croatia can play the troublemakers.

You're hopeless dude lol

Joining an alliance because Russia just invaded it's neighbor who is promised it wouldn't invade seems like a pretty logical thing to do 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

1 hour ago, Occult1 said:

Needlessy provoking Russia is not in everyone's best interest.

Finland and Sweden can't be held accountable for Russia's decisions or responses.

[spartan max2]

1 hour ago, spartan max2 said:

You're hopeless dude lol

Joining an alliance because Russia just invaded it's neighbor who is promised it wouldn't invade seems like a pretty logical thing to do 

So I read Turkeys statement and the object has nonething to do with Russia and everything to do with anamosity towards Sweden

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

3 hours ago, Occult1 said:

The Turkish Armed Forces is the second largest military force in NATO, after the U.S. They have a powerful army. Kicking them out of NATO would significantly weaken the alliance. The danger for NATO in getting too big is that it might end up imploding from inside, as each of these countries have their own personal interests. Needlessy provoking Russia is not in everyone's best interest. We'll see if Turkey and Croatia can play the troublemakers.

You’re absolutely right, at a time of heightened aggression from Russia, countries directly threatened by Russia should absolutely not join an organisation dedicated to resisting Russian aggression. What they should do instead is open their doors, teach their children the Russian for “lay back and think of England” and be invaded after having their infrastructure bombed back to the Stone Age. 

[+Manwon Lender]

4 hours ago, zep73 said:

Turkish dictator wannabe Erdogan threatens to block Finland & Sweden from joining NATO

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-middle-east-turkey-moscow-sweden-49d5297a0dff391e5de9f24f6b3a390a

I say kick out Turkey and let our Nordic friends join, if needed!

I totally agree, screw Turkey they were once our Allie but in recent years they have gravitated towards Russian influence and this is why he wants to try and block other European Nations from joining NATO.

I also agree let our Nordic friends that have proven their place in world through non-violent methods join, they deserve to be admitted! 

[+Manwon Lender]

3 hours ago, Occult1 said:

The Turkish Armed Forces is the second largest military force in NATO, after the U.S. They have a powerful army. Kicking them out of NATO would significantly weaken the alliance. The danger for NATO in getting too big is that it might end up imploding from inside, as each of these countries have their own personal interests. Needlessy provoking Russia is not in everyone's best interest. We'll see if Turkey and Croatia can play the troublemakers.

Comrade Occult you have eaten far to much spoiled borscht and it has effected your world view, and your intellectual state of mind! You need to open your eyes and start thinking for yourself, instead of allowing your handlers to control what you think and what you say. 

[Occult1]

1 hour ago, spartan max2 said:

So I read Turkeys statement and the object has nonething to do with Russia and everything to do with anamosity towards Sweden

Finland and Sweden support for Kurdish PKK and YPG is one reason for Turkey's opposition. But the reality is that Putin and Erdogan are both strongman with a tight grip on their countries. Despite disagreements, Turkey and Russia maintain important cooperation. There is the natural gas and wheat import. There is also the S-400 defense procurement. Turkey has no reason to turn it's back on Russia. Why would they want to provoke them?

Edited Friday at 10:37 PM by Occult1

[Occult1]

44 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I totally agree, screw Turkey they were once our Allie but in recent years they have gravitated towards Russian influence and this is why he wants to try and block other European Nations from joining NATO.

So you'd let the second most powerful army in NATO just walk away so you can further poke the Russian bear? Now imagine if Turkey, out of NATO, joined instead a military bloc with Russia and China? Seems to me that would benefit Russia more than anything else.

Edited Friday at 10:44 PM by Occult1

[spartan max2]

11 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Finland and Sweden support for Kurdish PKK and YPG is one reason for Turkey's opposition. But the reality is that Putin and Erdogan are both strongman with a tight grip on their countries. Despite disagreements, Turkey and Russia maintain important cooperation. There is the natural gas and wheat import. There is also the S-400 defense procurement. Turkey has no reason to turn it's back on Russia. Why would they want to provoke them?

You're so inconsistent and make zero sense. Honestly you have to be a troll or propaganda bot. 

If Finland and Sweden joining NATO is a provcavation. Yet Turkey being part of NATO is not. If NATO is inherently aggressive to Russia or whatever nonsense you say than Turkey is also a a threat.

You make zero sense. 

Edited Friday at 10:47 PM by spartan max2

[spartan max2]

9 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Finland and Sweden support for Kurdish PKK and YPG is one reason for Turkey's opposition. But the reality is that Putin and Erdogan are both strongman with a tight grip on their countries. Despite disagreements, Turkey and Russia maintain important cooperation. There is the natural gas and wheat import. There is also the S-400 defense procurement. Turkey has no reason to turn it's back on Russia. Why would they want to provoke them?

None of Turkeys statement mentions anything about Russia. That's your own projection. 

[Occult1]

8 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

If Finland and Sweden joining NATO is a provcavation. Yet Turkey being part of NATO is not.

Turkey is not situated on Russia's border. You might want to look at a map.

Edited Friday at 10:54 PM by Occult1

[spartan max2]

2 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Turkey is not situated on Russia's borders. You might want to look at a map.

So NATO is only a hostile aggressive power out to kill Russia if one of the nations touch the border?

That's moronic sir. Your logic has as many holes as swiss cheese 

Edited Friday at 10:53 PM by spartan max2

[+Manwon Lender]

25 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

So you'd let the second most powerful army in NATO just walk away so you can further poke the Russian bear? Now imagine if Turkey, out of NATO, joined instead a military bloc with Russia and China? Seems to me that would benefit Russia more than anything else.

Turkey has been moving toward Russian influence for years, and the size ( Man power ) of Nations Military doesn’t make it powerful. The three most powerful NATO members are Nuclear weapons states: France, the United Kingdom, and the United States. North Korea has a much larger military force than Turkey, but that doesn’t make them  more powerful. You don’t seem to understand what military power is based upon, and it certainly has little to do with the size of a Nations military, training, equipment, and leadership is what makes a Nation powerful. 

Edited Friday at 11:10 PM by Manwon Lender

[+Manwon Lender]

56 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Finland and Sweden support for Kurdish PKK and YPG is one reason for Turkey's opposition. But the reality is that Putin and Erdogan are both strongman with a tight grip on their countries. Despite disagreements, Turkey and Russia maintain important cooperation. There is the natural gas and wheat import. There is also the S-400 defense procurement. Turkey has no reason to turn it's back on Russia. Why would they want to provoke them?

Please stay out of the Kurdish issue, the Kurds in general are the best US Allie’s in the Middle East  outside of Israel. I have worked with the Kurds  ( had Kurdish interpreters ) in Iraq and Syria and they are the only people I would trust with my life so screw Turkeys view if the Kurds.

Edited Friday at 11:33 PM by Manwon Lender

[Cookie Monster]

9 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Turkey has been moving toward Russian influence for years, and the size ( Man power ) of Nations Military doesn’t make it powerful. The three most powerful NATO members are Nuclear weapons states: France, the United Kingdom, and the United States. North Korea has a much larger military force than Turkey, but that doesn’t make that more powerful. You don’t seem to understand what military power is based upon, and it certainly has little to do with the size of a Nations military, training, equipment, and leadership is what makes a Nation powerful. 

Turkey is one of the worlds leading military powers.

It is also home to US nukes, and has to consider its strategic position with Russia carefully. Hence Turkey will act to de-escalate in any way that it can which means blocking a Russian invasion of the Nordic states by preventing them joining NATO.

I would also expect Norway to do the same.

Edited Friday at 11:12 PM by Cookie Monster

[+Manwon Lender]

4 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Turkey is one of the worlds leading military powers.

It is also home to US nukes, and has to consider its strategic position with Russia carefully. Hence Turkey will act to de-escalate in any way that it can which means blocking a Russian invasion of the Nordic states by preventing them joining NATO.

You make little to no sense my friend. Turkey has not proven its military abilities except in small regional conflicts that were in their favor since the 1950s. Yes there are Nuclear Bombs stored in Turkey, however the Nuclear launch systems no longer exist there and the US is in the process of removing the last Nuclear Weapons stored there as we speak.

Though Turkey voted for a UN General Assembly resolution condemning Russia, it has not sanctioned Russia or closed its airspace to Russian aircraft since the beginning of the Russian invasion. Some observers have been quick to highlight the differences between Turkish policy and the definitive pro-Ukraine approaches of the European Union (EU) and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), implying that Ankara is trying to have it both ways https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/where-turkey-stands-russia-ukraine-war

As far as Turkey being one of the worlds leading military, we can agree to disagree. Without US and NATO support their military power would be little recognized. 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

37 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Turkey is one of the worlds leading military powers.

Why do you think so?

37 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

I would also expect Norway to do the same.

Why?