Perilous Premonitions 2022-2023

[+joc]

36 minutes ago, TrumanB said:

Each path is unique...and each person has different talents. We shouldn't compare each others, this game is not basketball.

Correct! Except, I am not talking about talents as such.  More specifically I am talking about mental paths...i.e.  Thought Paths.  What I am meaning to say is that any path one can go down, for instance, Spirituality, Religion, Whatever...I have already been up and down and all around, inside out and right side in, here and there and everywhere, shallow and deep and way too deep.

And I am not alone.  So, no brag...just fact.  Some of us have already trodden down every conceivable path that was worth going down.  You are still in the process of exploring paths, which is fine and dandy and normal and healthy.

All I'm saying is that in the end, or maybe even in the beginning if you can hold the light of Truth to each path, then the Light of Truth will show you the errors and inconsistencies of each path.  And when I say the truth...I mean THE truth.  Not personal truth or whatever but factual, evidentiary truth.  We really need that as our guide because if anything is possible we are all lost...nothing has any meaning.  That's all I'm saying.  So when I talk about blinders, I'm actually referring to those mental thought processes that keep us from utilizing the real truth as a guide.

For example:  Was Jesus born of a virgin?  Truth:  No.  Virgins do not, have not, cannot ever have babies.  (Technological wizardry not withstanding) So by removing the false blinders of a preconceived religion, we can shine the light of truth on that and know that the story is indeed myth.  etc.  etc.  etc.

[TrumanB]

11 minutes ago, joc said:

Correct! Except, I am not talking about talents as such.  More specifically I am talking about mental paths...i.e.  Thought Paths.  What I am meaning to say is that any path one can go down, for instance, Spirituality, Religion, Whatever...I have already been up and down and all around, inside out and right side in, here and there and everywhere, shallow and deep and way too deep.

Maybe you've tried all that of the stuff but then we go to the talent/experience department. I remember when you said that there are no precognitive dreams because future doesn't exist. Wrong. We who have them know that they do exist. And thus we see reality in different way.

[+joc]

2 minutes ago, TrumanB said:

Maybe you've tried all that of the stuff but then we go to the talent/experience department. I remember when you said that there are no precognitive dreams because future doesn't exist. Wrong. We who have them know that they do exist. And thus we see reality in different way.

We do all see reality relative to our own personal perspective...which is why it is so important to have an understanding of actual physics to guide our thought processes...like I said, if anything is possible, then we are all lost. Precognitive Dreams do not qualify as 'talent'.  And experience is only a memory in  your thought process...and memory is always fallible.  The truth:  There is no future, only anticipation in our grey cells.  There is no past, only memory in our grey cells.

It's really pretty simple...if the future exists, then go there and bring back something.  If the past exists, go there and change something.  The rest of the truth is that the present doesn't even exist...we exist in a constantly changing forever fluid environment.  Nothing is static.

That isn't my truth.  That is the truth according to the laws of physics.  There may be areas not completely understood by the laws of physics...like gravity...but without them, how would we be any different really than the Neanderthals?  Still worshipping fire.  

So your perspective is what it is.  The truth says that precognitive dreams are not real.  There is no future to predict.  Nonetheless, we can look at what is and say, Well this is very likely to happen.  Like the guy  at the redlight with his tailgate down and a basketball in the bed.  I told my friend, hey watch, when he pulls away from the red light that basketball is going to roll out.  And wallah, the light changed, he accelerated and out came the basket ball.  The Talent therefore would be in predicting accurately things that could happen according to data.  Which is far different from 'seeing', as in 'viewing' a certain future.  That's not real, that is fantasy...and as such, things of that nature are indeed 'blinders'.  

[XenoFish]

I get what Joc is saying. You spend enough time looking in to spiritual and religious paths, the only conclusion you come to is "people made it up". Even the paranormal and psychic phenomena become cognitive glitches.

[+joc]

52 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I get what Joc is saying. You spend enough time looking in to spiritual and religious paths, the only conclusion you come to is "people made it up". Even the paranormal and psychic phenomena become cognitive glitches.

More or less people do make it up...just not by themselves...usually it involves buying into something that has such deep roots...it is perceived as truth when in fact, an old lie is still a lie.  An old misunderstanding is still a misunderstanding.

I will step back though and just re-word what I said about precognitive dreams...but only in the context I used first.  Because our subconscious is always seeking the information that will support the conscious thought of the moment, if the conscious thought is fear based, not sure, undecided, fearful...then the underlying subconscious activity is left to fill in the blanks.  As such one might dream of things to come...and they actually happen in the future in reality.  If this is the case it might be because one's subconscious discovered the fear and confusion of the conscious mind and produced a 'warning' using dream imagery.

  So if @TrumanB has what he considers to be precognitive dreams, they well indeed may be...and because therefore, he has experienced dreams of such playing out in reality, gives him an 'experience' that he has powers that others may not have...and he well may...because there is power in sympathy and in empathy.  And if one is more empathic than another, a very real side effect of that empathy might be more accurate dreams of future occurrences.  Nonetheless...those dreams are still being created from a basis of data; subconscious data is still data. And it doesn't change the fact that there is no 'future'.

[TrumanB]

1 hour ago, joc said:

I will step back though and just re-word what I said about precognitive dreams...but only in the context I used first.  Because our subconscious is always seeking the information that will support the conscious thought of the moment, if the conscious thought is fear based, not sure, undecided, fearful...then the underlying subconscious activity is left to fill in the blanks.  As such one might dream of things to come...and they actually happen in the future in reality.  If this is the case it might be because one's subconscious discovered the fear and confusion of the conscious mind and produced a 'warning' using dream imagery.

 

It's quite the opposite how subconscious works. In addition, subconscious knows much more than conscious. This is one of the first lessons when you start studying dreams.

Edited February 3 by TrumanB

[+joc]

9 hours ago, TrumanB said:

It's quite the opposite how subconscious works. In addition, subconscious knows much more than conscious. This is one of the first lessons when you start studying dreams.

I have studied dreams...I am more or less an expert on dreams.  And please...explain how subconscious works since you are dissing what Napoleon Hill said about the subconscious.

[Dejarma]

IMO dreams mean nothing... it's nothing more than the brain picking out random stuff when asleep- in other words when one is not in control of thought.

there's no reason for it other than this= IN MY OPINION 

Edited February 4 by Dejarma

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26 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

IMO dreams mean nothing... it's nothing more than the brain picking out random stuff when asleep- in other words when one is not in control of thought.

there's no reason for it other than this= IN MY OPINION 

Your opinion is valid, because it is your opinion.  I used to think the same thing until I started studying dreams.

[Dejarma]

33 minutes ago, joc said:

Your opinion is valid, because it is your opinion.  I used to think the same thing until I started studying dreams.

fair enough

[Raptor Witness]

I qualify my dreams for what I believe is my subconscious mind doing its normal thing, versus the unexpected.

A qualifying dream for me, for example, would include items that I’m not interested in or familiar with, at all, or items which are not part of my everyday experience.

It’s also quite different if you are someone who is interested in precognition, or the paranormal vs. if you were not, until you accidentally had these experiences.

I was not interested in the paranormal, at all, before unusual things started happening. The phenomena chased me, I did not chase it.

[Dejarma]

18 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

I was not interested in the paranormal, at all, before unusual things started happening. The phenomena chased me, I did not chase it.

IMO you were interested in the paranormal & believed in the paranormal to start with otherwise you would not contribute anything you feel was weird to the paranormal 

[Raptor Witness]

3 hours ago, Dejarma said:

IMO you were interested in the paranormal & believed in the paranormal to start with otherwise you would not contribute anything you feel was weird to the paranormal 

My experience was different. I had a curiosity about a Higher Power, and knocked on the proverbial door, and then Someone opened the door.

[TrumanB]

8 hours ago, joc said:

I have studied dreams...I am more or less an expert on dreams.  And please...explain how subconscious works since you are dissing what Napoleon Hill said about the subconscious.

Sorry, I never read Napoleon Hill. Subconscious knows more than conscious, it's a corrector of our conscious mind and ego. So many times through my dreams I was told that I'm wrong about something and later it was proven true. Dreams should be observed as our advisers. Subconscious is a so wild that it meddles with collective mind and information field. It's higher-self not lower.

[+joc]

2 hours ago, TrumanB said:

Sorry, I never read Napoleon Hill. Subconscious knows more than conscious, it's a corrector of our conscious mind and ego. So many times through my dreams I was told that I'm wrong about something and later it was proven true. Dreams should be observed as our advisers. Subconscious is a so wild that it meddles with collective mind and information field. It's higher-self not lower.

Since I think you are misunderstanding what I'm really saying, I will go back a bit and explain exactly what I'm talking about.

We have a brain.  Our brain holds a vast amount of memory.  The old saying that we only use 10% of our brain is greatly misunderstood.  We use all of our brain.  The 10%  would then represent our conscious mental activity.  The rest of it is composed of memory and automatous systems.  All of our knowledge, exists as cellular memory.  Think of the subconscious as that vast music library you have available.  Our conscious mind then would be analogous to the stereo receiver.   Our five senses never go to sleep.  But our conscious mind does.  Even while we are asleep, even while we are unconscious, our five senses continue to take in information and much of it is imbedded deep in our memory.   

And just as we cannot listen to all the music in our library at one time, neither can our conscious mind access all the memory in our brain.  Enter one of the main roles of the subconscious mind.  Consider that old game, I say a word and you say the first thing that comes into your mind.  You say red, I say blood.  You say purple, I say rain. You say nuclear, I say war...   As soon as a thought comes into our conscious mind, regardless what it is, our subconscious mind seeks and accesses memory  supportive of that thought.   This is why we sometimes need to think about things.  That is exactly what thinking is, directing the subconscious search of memory to support a particular thought. 

Example:  I lock my keys in the car.  That's a problem.  Do we just sit down and start crying knowing we are now doomed to never get in our car again?  No.  The thought, Call a lock smith comes to mind.  It seems negative to our conscious mind, because our memory also brought into conscious thought how much that would cost.  So, it is rejected by the conscious mind, so the subconscious brings another thought to the conscious...use a coat hanger...  Conscious mind:  I don't have one.  Subconscious mind...break the window.  Conscious mind: no, that's entirely counterproductive.  Subconscious mind...Best options, call a lock smith, break a window, call  your wife, she has an key.  Conscious mind:  my phone is in the car.  Subconscious mind:  borrow a phone.  Conscious mind:  Excuse me Mr...I locked my keys and phone in the car and I need to call my wife...could I borrow your phone for a second?  Solution: Wife comes and unlocks the car.

The Conscious Mind and the Subconscious mind are not separate entities of the brain...they work in cooperation with and for each other.  

Edited February 4 by joc

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Just now, joc said:

Dreams should be observed as our advisers.

Excellent!  While our conscious mind is in it's Sleep State, the subconscious mind is very active.  It does internal analysis of the state of the conscious mind.  When it identifies problems with our mental state, it accesses memory in an attempt to communicate with the conscious mind.  But our conscious mind is asleep...and so, the subconscious mind begins to tell a story of the analysis using visual depictions.  Because human problems are fairly common (we all experience the same common problems) then the visual imagery generated by the subconscious is fairly universal to humans as well.  Yes...you are entirely correct...the dreams are advisors...absolutely.

[+joc]

4 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

My experience was different. I had a curiosity about a Higher Power, and knocked on the proverbial door, and then Someone opened the door.

That higher power RW is actually your subconscious mind.  That Higher Power is actually you.  A trap we all fall into from time to time is, to what extent do we think our memory is accurate.   Memory is incredibly unreliable, and as such our conclusions from accessing that memory must also always be considered to be...unreliable to some degree.  Which is why I say, using the Laws of Physics as a meter against our own conclusions is necessary to be accurate about anything.

[XenoFish]

9 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

I qualify my dreams for what I believe is my subconscious mind doing its normal thing, versus the unexpected.

You're just looking for patterns and you're also inventing them where there is none. This is just a game of self-validation for you. I honestly think that you've convince yourself that you have some special type of ability and are seeking other to affirm it. So you just post nonsense and hope you get a hit once in a while. 

Edited February 4 by XenoFish

[TrumanB]

33 minutes ago, joc said:

Excellent!  While our conscious mind is in it's Sleep State, the subconscious mind is very active.  It does internal analysis of the state of the conscious mind.  When it identifies problems with our mental state, it accesses memory in an attempt to communicate with the conscious mind.  But our conscious mind is asleep...and so, the subconscious mind begins to tell a story of the analysis using visual depictions.  Because human problems are fairly common (we all experience the same common problems) then the visual imagery generated by the subconscious is fairly universal to humans as well.  Yes...you are entirely correct...the dreams are advisors...absolutely.

That's all fine but it still doesn't explain everything. It's not only about memory. I know it because I saw it for many times...in details.

[+joc]

1 minute ago, TrumanB said:

That's all fine but it still doesn't explain everything. It's not only about memory. I know it because I saw it for many times...in details.

please elaborate with examples

[TrumanB]

7 minutes ago, joc said:

please elaborate with examples

On topics about precognitive dreaming I  gave some examples. I've been having these dreams for about 20 years. Mostly regarding situations in my life that day. And sometimes it's very literal with details. It's not an accident, it's not a memory from the past. And there are many many others like me. 

Edited February 4 by TrumanB

[+joc]

36 minutes ago, TrumanB said:

It's not an accident, it's not a memory from the past.

If it isn't memory from the past...then what is it?  All memory is memory of the past...i.e...things which have already happened.  All....memory.  Anticipation of the future is a memory as well.  It's all memory from the past.  None of it is real.  All of it is fallible.   An understanding of dream language is very helpful.  I know you have some degree of that, but I am not sure you are actually getting the symbolism as it relates to your awakened state.

[TrumanB]

3 minutes ago, joc said:

If it isn't memory from the past...then what is it?  All memory is memory of the past...i.e...things which have already happened.  All....memory.  Anticipation of the future is a memory as well.  It's all memory from the past.  None of it is real.  All of it is fallible.   An understanding of dream language is very helpful.  I know you have some degree of that, but I am not sure you are actually getting the symbolism as it relates to your awakened state.

Well...if it's not memory...
I had so many of these dreams but let me give you one example. Had a dream one morning that I see a school friend that I haven't seen for years and Imagine what happened that day.  

[+joc]

17 minutes ago, TrumanB said:

Well...if it's not memory...
I had so many of these dreams but let me give you one example. Had a dream one morning that I see a school friend that I haven't seen for years and Imagine what happened that day.  

Yes I know.  That is a pretty familiar human occurrence.  Coincidences do happen.  Oh my gosh...Truman...I could just go on and on and on...as could we all.  Coincidences...the most amazing coincidences happen rather frequently.  Example:  When I first put up my Purple Martin House I was laying on a concrete bench in June, scanning the sky with binoculars, looking for Purple Martins...when I saw...soaring extremely high, A bald eagle with two offspring.  I pulled the binoculars away and I couldn't even see them with the naked eye.  And I never relocated them with the binoculars.  Another strange coincidental occurrence with binoculars.  I was looking at the full moon just before dusk...it was in the western sky.  I saw a star floating around the moon.  But it was still too early for stars.  So I thought, UFO!  ...I ran to the house grabbed my binoculars.  Now, it turns out this 'star' was actually a weather balloon.  And as I was watching it with the binoculars it burst into thousands of pieces!  Mere coincidence that I even saw the thing at all...but to have seen it, then grabbed the binoculars, and then watch it burst??? What are the odds?  So, things of that nature I just chalk up to coincidence.  Then again, maybe I am wrong and it all means something...my mind doesn't work that way though.

Edited February 4 by joc

[TrumanB]

Sorry joc, I don't buy coincidence story in this case. And there were so many other 'Coincidences'. I remember a couple of times when I was a student at the university, dreamt of exact situations (of unusual type)  that happened at the exams. And I have so many examples, I use to jot them down, would have to take those notes and to remind myself. 

Edited February 4 by TrumanB