Popular Post Still Waters Posted May 3, 2022 Popular Post #1 Share Posted May 3, 2022 If there are so many galaxies, stars, and planets, where are all the aliens, and why haven't we heard from them? Those are the simple questions at the heart of the Fermi Paradox. In a new paper, a pair of researchers ask the next obvious question: how long will we have to survive to hear from another alien civilization? Their answer? 400,000 years. 400,000 years is a long time for a species that's only been around for a couple hundred thousand years and only discovered farming about 12,000 years ago. But 400,000 years is how long we'll need to keep this human experiment going if we want to hear from any alien civilizations. That's according to some new research into Communicating Extraterrestrial Intelligent Civilizations (CETIs). https://www.universetoday.com/155470/humanity-will-need-to-survive-about-400000-years-if-we-want-any-chance-of-hearing-from-an-alien-civilization/ https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/ac561d 3 2 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted May 3, 2022 #2 Share Posted May 3, 2022 No chance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.A.T.1961 Posted May 3, 2022 #3 Share Posted May 3, 2022 19 minutes ago, Nobu said: No chance Oh, ye of little faith. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebra3 Posted May 3, 2022 #4 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Thanks, pair of researchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 3, 2022 #5 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Humans will be long extinct before then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malawi Posted May 3, 2022 #6 Share Posted May 3, 2022 I give it 200 years, tops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethrofloyd Posted May 4, 2022 #7 Share Posted May 4, 2022 In 400.000 years we humans will become aliens anyway. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khol Posted May 4, 2022 #8 Share Posted May 4, 2022 How can anyone put a timeline on this?..its hilarious. Personally I think intelligent life is incredibly rare and the odds of contact are exceedinly high 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted May 4, 2022 #9 Share Posted May 4, 2022 We'll never know. Distance are too great and in all likelihood we are alone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badeskov Posted May 4, 2022 #10 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, itsnotoutthere said: We'll never know. Distance are too great and in all likelihood we are alone. I honestly don’t believe that we are alone, but I do believe that the distances are too great for detection of ET, let alone any meaningful communication. Cheers, Badeskov 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenMindedSceptic Posted May 4, 2022 #11 Share Posted May 4, 2022 The arrogance of the "science" is breathtaking. Who says that aliens haven't already been here? The time span of the universe is immense and beyond the comprehension of the people behind this theory. I guess they are assuming, in response to a message from us, but they could already be here tomorrow for all we know, just causing around and reaching out! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted May 4, 2022 #12 Share Posted May 4, 2022 On 5/3/2022 at 4:04 AM, Still Waters said: That's according to some new research into Communicating Extraterrestrial Intelligent Civilizations (CETIs). Should this be considered research or speculation? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.A.T.1961 Posted May 4, 2022 #13 Share Posted May 4, 2022 45 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: Should this be considered research or speculation? Probably both, research based on speculation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badeskov Posted May 5, 2022 #14 Share Posted May 5, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said: The arrogance of the "science" is breathtaking. Why is science arrogant? 5 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said: Who says that aliens haven't already been here? The time span of the universe is immense and beyond the comprehension of the people behind this theory. Nobody is saying that ET hasn’t already been here. We just don’t know, so they put up one hypothetical scenario. Again, how is that arrogant? 5 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said: I guess they are assuming, in response to a message from us, but they could already be here tomorrow for all we know, just causing around and reaching out! Yes, they could be on our doorstep tomorrow. Chances of that happening are pretty slim to put it mildly, but again, we just don’t know. Cheers, Badeskov Edited May 5, 2022 by badeskov 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted May 5, 2022 #15 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Honestly? And you people will laugh at me and do that little screwy faced emoticon- but, I deal in logic. The only way I see the human race making it is if we open Pandora’s box with artificial intelligence. I suspect we will be kept intact and going sort of as pets or museum pieces if we have any chance of surviving as a species. Artificial intelligence will become 100000 times more intelligent than a single human within the first 24 hours of it’s aware existence. That’s assuming computer technology continues its current processing projection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted May 5, 2022 #16 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Are we going to be discussing cake here as well? Count me in! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted May 5, 2022 #17 Share Posted May 5, 2022 51 minutes ago, Nobu said: Artificial intelligence will become 100000 times more intelligent than a single human within the first 24 hours of it’s aware existence. I've listened to a lot Elon Musk has to say on the subject of AI. He fears it more than anything else. My question however is: what do you mean 'aware existence'? I know I am. You know you are. We all know that we are. But how can AI 'know' that it is? I have yet to understand how AI gets to ...I Am. Can yo please splain me? Gracias! Yes...it's a real question...I am not being a smart ass. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 5, 2022 #18 Share Posted May 5, 2022 8 hours ago, L.A.T.1961 said: Probably both, research based on speculation. I think it's the other way round. However, no one can tell us anything about aliens. We don't know how, when or where they evolved or what they are capable of. The best we can do is extrapolate from what we know of ourselves. And that may not be the best starting point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethrofloyd Posted May 5, 2022 #19 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethrofloyd Posted May 5, 2022 #20 Share Posted May 5, 2022 5 hours ago, badeskov said: Nobody is saying that ET hasn’t already been here. Weren't they already here and built the Great Pyramids? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 5, 2022 #21 Share Posted May 5, 2022 On 5/3/2022 at 1:04 PM, Still Waters said: If there are so many galaxies, stars, and planets, where are all the aliens, and why haven't we heard from them? Maybe they have tried to send us a simple message, but even that was far beyond our comprehension. Maybe they are already here, but we don't recognize them as living beings. Maybe they are as small as the tinyest of insects. Maybe we are not interesting enough for a visit. Maybe this, maybe that. We have no way to know. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuantumString Posted May 5, 2022 #22 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Things like this can only ever just be speculation & they are always given time lines so long no one would ever know the truth. One thing that always annoys me is when poeple refer to the vast distances ( I understand that this is just from MY perspective) is that they say "well space is so huge it would take 100,000 years to travel to this part or that part, Ok well with are slow space craft (well more high orbit craft) yes, but there tech may not. When you have scientist say things like that, it always comes across as arrogent as in well if we can't do it nothing in the universe could. For me there are two possibilities 1= we're really not as interesting as we think we are & they are "leave them be untill there ready" or 2= we just happen to live in the wrong part of the galaxy to be found, as loud as we are on earth when it comes to it, earth is quite is space 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted May 5, 2022 #23 Share Posted May 5, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, joc said: I've listened to a lot Elon Musk has to say on the subject of AI. He fears it more than anything else. My question however is: what do you mean 'aware existence'? I know I am. You know you are. We all know that we are. But how can AI 'know' that it is? I have yet to understand how AI gets to ...I Am. Can yo please splain me? Gracias! Yes...it's a real question...I am not being a smart ass. One theory is that at some point of cataloging different stimuli and the responses an organism will start preparing potential responses. Then it will start anticipating and preparing for future stimuli after deeply analyzing the past experience. Then there is a leap to “what/why am I doing?”. To me that is a great leap. To the people that believe this they seem to think it isn’t a leap but natural progression. I personally cannot answer your question. What is self awareness and how does it come to be? The answer potentially unravels a lot of life’s mysteries. Great question. Perhaps we cannot create software that will become self aware. I have a hunch we will blunder into it though. Edited May 5, 2022 by Nobu 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbutcher2016 Posted May 5, 2022 #24 Share Posted May 5, 2022 NASA sends greeting to aliens with pics of naked male and female. The once massive SETI dish also sending message, now this.. As most of us already know, they are here. Accounts from those who have worked at Ducle, Intercepted Classified memos, and of course Bob Lazar, means at least to me, that saying hello doesn't take much.. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godnodog Posted May 5, 2022 #25 Share Posted May 5, 2022 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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