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New York Times Continues the Fear: Overturning Roe Means Ending Interracial Marriage


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As Breitbart News reported last week, some Democrats reacted to the leak of Justice Samuel Alito’s draft decision by claiming that all other social rights were at risk if Roe were to be reversed, and states could even ban interracial marriage.

But Justice Alito specifically distinguished abortion from all other cases, because it involves a potential human life, adding: “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”

Nevertheless, in an editorial titled “America Is Not Ready for the End of Roe v. Wade,” the Times argued:

“Imagine that every state were free to choose whether to allow Black people and white people to marry. Some states would permit such marriages; others probably wouldn’t. The laws would be a mishmash, and interracial couples would suffer, legally consigned to second-class status depending on where they lived.

It seems an unthinkable scenario in 2022. That’s because in 1967 the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that barring interracial marriage, as 16 states still did, violates the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of equal protection. “Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual, and cannot be infringed by the state,” the court stated in Loving v. Virginia.”

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2022/05/08/new-york-times-continues-the-fear-overturning-roe-means-ending-interracial-marriage/

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Conservatives are already using it as a basis to do things like this:Texas Gov. Greg Abbott Might Challenge SCOTUS Ruling Requiring States To Educate All Children (msn.com)

Three of the conservative justices are already on the record having lied about overturning Roe vs Wade in their confirmation hearings.  Why should we believe that the right to (interracial) marriage will be upheld when historically conservatives were against that as well?

Tennessee already tried passing a law for a "second" form of marriage for heterosexual couples: Tennessee anti-LGBTQ marriage bill moved to summer session, not expected to return this year | wbir.com

 

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1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

Three of the conservative justices are already on the record having lied about overturning Roe vs Wade in their confirmation hearings

Show me the lie? Post quotes, if possible. While I'm waiting, I'm going to post a video of every one of the Justices who is alleged to have lied. I've listened to their testimonial videos and not a single one of them lied that I could hear.  

 

 

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The left, once again, making this about race.   I am not against abortion, but the amount of black people getting them tells me that some focus needs to be put on changing the culture that allows so many teen pregnancies.  

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11 minutes ago, Myles said:

The left, once again, making this about race.   I am not against abortion, but the amount of black people getting them tells me that some focus needs to be put on changing the culture that allows so many teen pregnancies.  

I certainly agree with you on all counts, the culture does need to changed and I believe it should start with the way the Welfare program is designed. Like you i am not for or against abortion at all I believe it should be a women's choice, but when it comes to banning abortion Nationwide I do not agree. The issue here is political, but it is sponsored by religious beliefs and I am totally against any religion dictating National Policy. People can try to sugar coat this anyway they choose, but it’s the Political Conservatives who are allowing and supporting religious conservatives and the religious fundamentalist’s to remove the rights of American Citizens to freely choose. In my opinion religion should never under any circumstances dictate National Policy and this issue is solely driven by religious practices and beliefs.

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Again, the very people that wanted to make you a social pariah for not wearing a mask are now screaming about the government wanting to control their bodies, hilarious. Thing I've come to realise about these libs is that you don't really need to argue with them, leave it long enough & they contradict themselves.

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32 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Again, the very people that wanted to make you a social pariah for not wearing a mask are now screaming about the government wanting to control their bodies, hilarious. Thing I've come to realise about these libs is that you don't really need to argue with them, leave it long enough & they contradict themselves.

NUTS!:yes:

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3 hours ago, Myles said:

The left, once again, making this about race.   I am not against abortion, but the amount of black people getting them tells me that some focus needs to be put on changing the culture that allows so many teen pregnancies.  

The amount of black people getting abortions also shows that banning abortions would hurt them the most.

Stopping teenager pregnancies, more welfare, and less fatherless children is a good thing.

Banning abortion would be a step back, and good luck talking about needing a culture change to teen moms and fatherless children in failing schools. 

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I've been assuring alot of my further left friends, ever since Trump's election, that Republicans were not going to overturn roe v Wade.

I never expected republicans to try and overturn the election and claim fraud, or for people to riot inside the capital house during vote certification. 

Well, egg on my face I guess. I am extremely disillusioned with the republican party and do not trust it's current iteration.

So unlike in the past, I'm not going to make fun of the times article. Because I don't even know any more.

I honestly have more concerns about people going after gay marriage next. The evangelicals seem to be driving the bus of the republican party. 

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And if someone were to point the following statistics below to the far right whackidoody christians it’s considered lies by the devil and the secular or atheist crowd is persecuting them.

https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2020/10/people-all-religions-use-birth-control-and-have-abortions

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8 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

Show me the lie? Post quotes, if possible. While I'm waiting, I'm going to post a video of every one of the Justices who is alleged to have lied. I've listened to their testimonial videos and not a single one of them lied that I could hear.  

 

 

‘It’s precedent’: how supreme court justices spoke about Roe v Wade in the past – video | US news | The Guardian

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Not surprising that the left is resorting to violence to try to get their way.   Throwing Molotov cocktails at groups that do not support abortion.

I support abortions but would never kill someone who doesn't.   The violent left at it again.   

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2 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

I've been assuring alot of my further left friends, ever since Trump's election, that Republicans were not going to overturn roe v Wade.

I never expected republicans to try and overturn the election and claim fraud, or for people to riot inside the capital house during vote certification. 

Well, egg on my face I guess. I am extremely disillusioned with the republican party and do not trust it's current iteration.

So unlike in the past, I'm not going to make fun of the times article. Because I don't even know any more.

I honestly have more concerns about people going after gay marriage next. The evangelicals seem to be driving the bus of the republican party. 

Spart, I do really feel sorry for people like you. Honest Republicans and honest Democrats. The reasonable center. You need a Party of the Center, bring together the good Reps and Dems. Leave the far right and far left garbage behind. I think you would have the numbers, only the will and courage is missing.

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I do believe that there is a time and place for an abortion.  But to overturn RvW is not banning abortion, it is returning that power and right back to the states (where it belongs).  It is not in the realm or purview of the federal government to participate in establishing social norms or social change.  That is a right left up to the people.  Abortion is not an enumerated right of the federal government.  Abortion is not a penumbra right.  The Constitution limits, that’s limits, and again limits the power of the federal government, especially when it comes to societal norms.  For the federal government to impose abortion on the people is a tyrannical act.  Anything that the government can give, it can take away.  That is the basis of tyranny.  I think that if the Left had kept abortion to its original boundaries, the Right would have been ok with that.  But when the Left began pushing for late term and post-natal abortion is crossing the line.  As polarized as the Left has made this country, the system still works and it reels back the indulgences of the Left and balances things out again if only for a time, till the next transgression of the Left.

 

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6 hours ago, Myles said:

The left, once again, making this about race.   I am not against abortion, but the amount of black people getting them tells me that some focus needs to be put on changing the culture that allows so many teen pregnancies.  

What is your source for the racial disparity between blacks and whites getting abortions?

Doug

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3 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

What is your source for the racial disparity between blacks and whites getting abortions?

Doug

It's true. Not by a huge amount tho.

38% black, 33% white, 21% Latino. 

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Still, the CDC data shows that women between the ages of 20 and 29 years accounted for nearly 57% of abortions in 2019. In the 30 areas where racial and ethnic data was reported, Black women accounted for 38% of abortions, while white women accounted for 33% of abortions and Hispanic women accounted for 21%.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/slideshows/states-with-the-highest-abortion-rates

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

It's true. Not by a huge amount tho.

38% black, 33% white, 21% Latino. 

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/slideshows/states-with-the-highest-abortion-rates

Sounds like your source is using the CDC as their source.  That's probably safe in this case, but usually one needs to go back to the original source to avoid spin doctoring and accidental misquotes.  In some cases, I have found that there was no research backing up a statement.  The writer just made it up.

And then there's the problem of faulty memories.  Not intentional lying, but the writer just didn't remember what they read.

Always try to go back to the original source.

Doug

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1 minute ago, Myles said:

It is more worrisome when you factor in that blacks are only 13% of the population.   

It just means they need the service more.

With how much people point at the rate of single moms in the black community as a problem, they should be happy that young black woman are trying to not repeat the patterns of their parents. 

This is a good thing. 

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1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

I do believe that there is a time and place for an abortion.  But to overturn RvW is not banning abortion, it is returning that power and right back to the states (where it belongs).  It is not in the realm or purview of the federal government to participate in establishing social norms or social change.  That is a right left up to the people.  Abortion is not an enumerated right of the federal government.  Abortion is not a penumbra right.  The Constitution limits, that’s limits, and again limits the power of the federal government, especially when it comes to societal norms.  For the federal government to impose abortion on the people is a tyrannical act.  Anything that the government can give, it can take away.  That is the basis of tyranny.  I think that if the Left had kept abortion to its original boundaries, the Right would have been ok with that.  But when the Left began pushing for late term and post-natal abortion is crossing the line.  As polarized as the Left has made this country, the system still works and it reels back the indulgences of the Left and balances things out again if only for a time, till the next transgression of the Left.

 

Right because individual states have NEVER gone out of their way to deny people their rights, that thing in Little Rock? Yeah they where just trying to keep her from tripping on the stairs. 

Look chuckles, 'states rights' has always, and I mean always meant 'the state's right to be massive tools to some minority or another'. When was the last time that argument was used for anything halfway decent? 

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2 hours ago, odas said:

Spart, I do really feel sorry for people like you. Honest Republicans and honest Democrats. The reasonable center. You need a Party of the Center, bring together the good Reps and Dems. Leave the far right and far left garbage behind. I think you would have the numbers, only the will and courage is missing.

No, the republican party needs to die. Preferably as quickly has possible before they manage to set off another civil war. Their platform is toxic, they're outright flaunting the will of the people, and pushing for authoritarianism. The entire party needs to be drowned in the bathtub, so to speak. Their starve the beast ideology has screwed over generations of poor americans, victimized minorities of all sorts, and poisoned the environment. If there's any justice at the end of all this, it'll be when kids open up their history books and all the GOP is, is a footnote about how it can and almost did, happen here. 

 

As for what comes after? I hope the blue dogs become the new 'right' party and we veer much more towards the global center where universal healthcare, infrastructure, human rights, and racial justice are actually taken seriously. 

Or to summarize, far right people in this country want a theocratic ethnostate, far left people just want minorities treated like people and folks not to die in poverty because they where unlucky enough to get cancer while poor. 

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29 minutes ago, Autochthon1990 said:

No, the republican party needs to die. Preferably as quickly has possible before they manage to set off another civil war. Their platform is toxic, they're outright flaunting the will of the people, and pushing for authoritarianism. The entire party needs to be drowned in the bathtub, so to speak. Their starve the beast ideology has screwed over generations of poor americans, victimized minorities of all sorts, and poisoned the environment. If there's any justice at the end of all this, it'll be when kids open up their history books and all the GOP is, is a footnote about how it can and almost did, happen here. 

 

As for what comes after? I hope the blue dogs become the new 'right' party and we veer much more towards the global center where universal healthcare, infrastructure, human rights, and racial justice are actually taken seriously. 

Or to summarize, far right people in this country want a theocratic ethnostate, far left people just want minorities treated like people and folks not to die in poverty because they where unlucky enough to get cancer while poor. 

Tend to dissagree here my friend.

Both, the Republican and the Democrats, made the USA a great nation. Both had their positives and negatives. Unfortunately, the Republican party has been taken over by the far right and the Democratic party is on the verge to be taken over by the far left. Either way comes at the cost of the ordinary people.

Both, far left and far right, are cancelling anything that does not fit their agenda which in turn creates more radicalisation.

In every healthy relationship, being it marriage, bussines or government, there must be a center, a give and take, a balance. This balance has been lost and needs to be reinstated if USA wants to survive.

 

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15 minutes ago, Autochthon1990 said:

Right because individual states have NEVER gone out of their way to deny people their rights, that thing in Little Rock? Yeah they where just trying to keep her from tripping on the stairs. 

If you were aware of history, you’d know that even states can abuse their powers, mostly Democratic controlled states, like Arkansas at that time.  No one has ever said that the states were perfect.  That is why they are directly answerable to the people who can either vote by the ballot or with their feet.  Over the years since the Civil War, the federal government has been usurping state power, which makes it easier for a dictator to take over.  It’s time to return everything that the feds have stolen and restore the protections from tyranny.

 

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Look chuckles, 'states rights' has always, and I mean always meant 'the state's right to be massive tools to some minority or another'. When was the last time that argument was used for anything halfway decent? 

Just as the federal government can.  States Rights is a cornerstone of the Constitution.  Just as the states were meant to check the power of the feds, the people can check to the power of the state.  That is the whole point of the Constitution to establish checks and balances.  Granted, that part isn’t working that well because the people aren’t taking their duty seriously.  Between Psychological Subversion and Mass Formation Psychosis, the Marxists have been attacking the populace, successfully for the time being but people are waking up.

 

The last time was to [try to] return that right back to the states.  But let’s cut to the chase here.  You don’t much approve of the Constitution, let alone understand it.  You can’t have your Democratic Socialist state that you so desire with the Constitution in place.  Just trash all the protections that the Constitution provides the people and the states, then your dictatorship can then abuse the people.  But the people would have no recourse, except by insurrection and overthrow.

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3 hours ago, Autochthon1990 said:

No, the republican party needs to die. Preferably as quickly has possible before they manage to set off another civil war. Their platform is toxic, they're outright flaunting the will of the people, and pushing for authoritarianism. The entire party needs to be drowned in the bathtub, so to speak. Their starve the beast ideology has screwed over generations of poor americans, victimized minorities of all sorts, and poisoned the environment. If there's any justice at the end of all this, it'll be when kids open up their history books and all the GOP is, is a footnote about how it can and almost did, happen here. 

 

As for what comes after? I hope the blue dogs become the new 'right' party and we veer much more towards the global center where universal healthcare, infrastructure, human rights, and racial justice are actually taken seriously. 

Or to summarize, far right people in this country want a theocratic ethnostate, far left people just want minorities treated like people and folks not to die in poverty because they where unlucky enough to get cancer while poor. 

The Republican Party needs to become the party Lincoln’d recognise again. The extreme right in America should do what it did here, be booted from the party it was infesting and go create it’s own party. The only reason it hasn’t in America is because you have this weird “only two parties” ideology.

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4 hours ago, odas said:

Tend to dissagree here my friend.

Both, the Republican and the Democrats, made the USA a great nation. Both had their positives and negatives. Unfortunately, the Republican party has been taken over by the far right and the Democratic party is on the verge to be taken over by the far left. Either way comes at the cost of the ordinary people.

 

I agree but this is inaccurate.  The Left has been in the process of being taken over by the far Left (Marxism) since Wilson.  Only in recent years has it gotten almost Totalitarian/Authoritarian.  Musk’s Cartoon best illustrates it:

elon-musk-36.jpg?quality=75&strip=all

But he isn’t the only one.  Reagan said “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me”.  Many others like Candace Owen, Leo Terrell, Dave Rubin, Brandon Straka, etc. were Left leaning but now, they are Conservative.  Even Bill Maher and Joe Rogan are saying WTF!  If there are any moderate Democrats left, they are now Independent, Libertarian, or Conservative.  Minorities are flocking to the Republicans.  The Problem is a bit different for the Republicans.  There are three distinct groups.  The smallest is the extreme right.  The next biggest are the Rinos, and then Conservatives make up the largest group.  Trump has chased off the extreme Right.  Most were supporting the little Prick in this last election.  Trump had started to weed out the Rinos but they caused more damage than the Left could have done.  And now, Trump is full out assault on Rinos.  Rinos fall more in line with the Left anyway.  Rinos and the extreme Right would do better to join the Left (extreme).

 

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Both, far left and far right, are cancelling anything that does not fit their agenda which in turn creates more radicalisation.

The far Right has no power to cancel.  It is all the Left.  The Radicalization comes in the Left abandoning their place of balance and trying to drag this nation into the CCP model.

 

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In every healthy relationship, being it marriage, bussines or government, there must be a center, a give and take, a balance. This balance has been lost and needs to be reinstated if USA wants to survive.

Yes, we do not have a healthy relationship.  Only when we have a balance will things get better.  The Right, by-and-large has remained constant.  There have been loud distractions but they never drove the bus.  Therefore, how do you bring the Left back into the fold?  Do they even want to?  Support the moderates to take back the Left as Trump has started taking back the Right?  Or just cut the Left loose and form a new party?  The Right is basically a new party today, there just needs more house cleaning and I think we will see that these midterms.  As long as both parties hold the best interests of this nation to heart, then we will be balanced.  And the best interest of the nation is to return to the original intent of the Founding Fathers.  Once we get there, I’d care less who leads because it will flip back and forth every so many cycles.  Both parties will be America First and provide a friendly competition to do better than the other party.  That would establish the environment we need to have prosperity.

 

  

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