San Diego County Passes Ordinance to Change Definition of ‘Woman’

[spartan max2]

3 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

@lightly  I didn't mean that as a joke.   Why do you think all the attention is on men who change to women?   Because they are MEN, who cares about women who change to men, you hardly ever hear of it unless one gets pregnant or is the daughter/son of a famous person, but all we hear is "trans women"  because they are men and it is a man's world.

The focus is on trans woman (men who change to woman) because the people who don't like trans people want to feed on people's fear and present this idea that these big old men are raping and assualting innocent little woman because of trans laws. 

That fear dosen't work when it's a trans man around males. So they conveniently talk about it less.

Which is of course sexist in it's own way 

Edited May 14, 2022 by spartan max2

[+Desertrat56]

53 minutes ago, lightly said:

You don’t know my wife.    

That joke right there is a man's joke, it isn't funny to most women because it usually isn't true.  The men who claim their wives are the boss are  the most controlling.   I suspect you aren't but you think that stereo types are funny, and they are not.  In my experience men gossip more than women, men act on their emotions more often than women so two stereotypes shot down for me, whether you believe my experiences or not.   The one who raged over minutae was my dad, the stoic one was my mom.  When her mother died, my dad cried but my mom didn't.  She had s**t to do.   And I found that to be common.  When I worked with almost all men, they would gossip about each other and each other's wives like they had no brains to think of anything interesting, and that was in the army and private business.  

Edited May 14, 2022 by Desertrat56

[+Desertrat56]

3 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

The focus is on trans woman (men who change to woman) because the people who don't like trans people want to feed on people's fear and present this idea that these big old men are raping and assualting innocent little woman because of trans laws. 

That fear dosen't work when it's a trans man around males. So they conveniently talk about it less.

Which is of course sexist in it's own way 

Still, who is focusing on that?  MEN because they are threatened somehow and want women to be afraid, manipulative, insecure men.

[+Desertrat56]

The problem I see is that men are making comments from ignorance, you have no idea what life is in this society for women.  A few, like @Tatetopa do have some understanding and are wise about the world, but a lot of you are looking through stained glass and making assumptions.   If reincarnation is real, you will probablly get to put the other shoe on and the sad thing is you won't remember this one.   Yes, I am angry.  I am a fully functioning intelligent human who grew up being told things like "girls aren't supposed to be good at math", the girls will be touring the colleges home ecconomics building and the boys will tour the science building, "you can't take drafting in this school because you are a girl", "women only join the army to find a husband", "what is wrong, are you on your period?"  (asked often if a women calls a man on his **** - aka stood up for herself),  if someone raped her she deserved it, look at how women dress (the rapee was wear jeans and a t-shirt, but somehow she deserved it).    I could go on and on but I know eyes have probably glazed over by the second sentence.   Things have not changed very much in the last 70 years as far as attitudes.   Yes women are now allowed to do a lot of jobs they weren't allowed 50 years ago, but the men's attitudes have not changed.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Desertrat56

[+OverSword]

12 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

Take your mind back, I don't know when
Some time when it always seemed to be just us and them

...

Are those lyrics?

[el midgetron]

13 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

If the definition of man is simply an adult male and woman is adult female, then apart from biological function,  men or women should be able to fill any role in society they desire and are capable of doing.   What men and women wear and whether they use perfumes or makeup and how they behave in society are social constructs not biological necessities.

Doesn’t transgenderism turn that on it’s head though? Rather than the biological not constraining the social construct in your model, in trans-identity the social construct constrains the biological. In your model a man is free to wear perfume despite the social construct attached to it, With trans-identity if a man likes to wear perfume that’s reason for him to shape his biology to suit the social construct associated with perfume.

The conformity to the social constructs of gender has become more constraining than it has ever been. We have never adhered to the social construct of gender to the point of transitioning our physical body to match the social construct before.

Ive often noted that the boundaries broken between the genders in my lifetime seem to have reached a bubble point where its imploding back in on its self. Things (like perfume) that were traditionally very gender specific enjoyed a brief androgynous hiatus but now have assume the trajectory of returning to being gender specific. 

[el midgetron]

13 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

Define masculine?

Masculine is the gender traits associated with the male sex. Even modern trans-ideology agrees with that definition. When a girl identifies with the masculine gender she is a trans-gender man. 

[+OverSword]

2 hours ago, Autochthon1990 said:

Because it's about control, always has been with them

The definition of male and female is not about control. The distortion of that , that brainwashed people back and insist upon are about control. Those confused people are literally trying to change that definition and forcing the rest of us to agree with their new interpretation. For untold thousands of years humanity has known what is a man and what is a woman.  Trans people are welcome to live however they like as far as I’m concerned, but at no point do I see a person with tits and a beard and think that person is a woman. I can say trans woman but not woman.

Edited May 14, 2022 by OverSword

[ExpandMyMind]

It’s funny to see all the snowflakes constantly up in arms at this and adjacent topics, for things that will never affect them in any way.

How insecure do you have to be?

[Autochthon1990]

3 minutes ago, OverSword said:

For untold thousands of years humanity has known what is a man and what is a woman.

Oh really? is that so, hrm...well it's not like that's easily contradicted with a quick google search or anything...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history#Ancient_Egypt

Start there, read the /entire/ page, and instead of an apology I'll accept a five dollar donation to GLAAD.

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, ExpandMyMind said:

It’s funny to see all the snowflakes constantly up in arms at this and adjacent topics, for things that will never affect them in any way.

How insecure do you have to be?

Won’t it? Did you see the 8th graders being charged with sexual harassment for not using a trans boys preferred pronouns?  That affects society in general including you and I. When our language or thoughts can be compelled that is by definition affecting us. You are more than welcome to go along with that but is not being a snowflake to fight back against what amounts to thought control

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, Autochthon1990 said:

Oh really? is that so, hrm...well it's not like that's easily contradicted with a quick google search or anything...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history#Ancient_Egypt

Start there, read the /entire/ page, and instead of an apology I'll accept a five dollar donation to GLAAD.

I freely acknowledge that there are an extremely small amount of exceptions to my statement which are statistically insignificant thus a poor argument. 

[Autochthon1990]

4 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I freely acknowledge that there are an extremely small amount of exceptions to my statement which are statistically insignificant thus a poor argument. 

Oh please, European culture's transphobia is the minority opinion and you bloody well know it, stop being ethnocentric. 

[el midgetron]

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

Still, who is focusing on that?  MEN because they are threatened somehow and want women to be afraid, manipulative, insecure men.

Do you find the idea that a man can be a woman at all challenging to the gender paradigm you have expressed? Personally, I felt like the idea of a patriarchal society was more convincing before the deconstruction of our genders. Now, one day someone can be a part of the patriarchy and the next day they are a one of those oppressed by it. 

How do you feel about your identity as a woman, the struggle you have described and the ability for women to take a position opposite you in your gender paradigm?

[el midgetron]

40 minutes ago, Autochthon1990 said:

Oh really? is that so, hrm...well it's not like that's easily contradicted with a quick google search or anything...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history#Ancient_Egypt

Start there, read the /entire/ page, and instead of an apology I'll accept a five dollar donation to GLAAD.

So, you cite ancient works of fiction to contest the historical tradition of male and female genders? Then lambast “transphobic European culture” for being the “minority opinion”? 

In reality Transgender people and LGBT people enjoy FAR more acceptance, respect and rights in your evil European countries than in other parts of the world. You cited ancient Egypt to support your claim. Are you aware of how your “third gender” and lgbt people are treated in most African countries? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Africa

33 minutes ago, Autochthon1990 said:

Oh please, European culture's transphobia is the minority opinion and you bloody well know it, stop being ethnocentric. 

According to 2013 survey by the Pew Research Center, 96% of Egyptians believe that homosexuality should not be accepted by society.[2]…..

…..In light of public opinion, these public morality and public order laws have been used against LGBT people as well as anyone who supports approaches to LGBT issues that are more commonplace in Western societies. Public opinion on transgender issues has aligned closer to those of other Islamic majority states in recent years, and especially since widespread mental health and gender dysphoria information has connected these issues with mental health rather than morality…..

……At the peer review mechanism of the UN – the Universal Periodic Review, Egypt refused to acknowledge terms like ‘sexual orientation’ and ‘gender identity’. As per Human Rights Watch, the country is “one of the worst offenders in a context of criminalization, violence and discrimination in all regions of the world, detaining dozens of LGBT people and submitting them to abuses including forced anal exams on a regular basis”.[44]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Egypt

Do some reading up on what transgender and LGBT people experience  in other parts of the world before you pretend to advocate for them.

Edited May 14, 2022 by el midgetron

[ExpandMyMind]

2 hours ago, OverSword said:

Won’t it? Did you see the 8th graders being charged with sexual harassment for not using a trans boys preferred pronouns?  That affects society in general including you and I. When our language or thoughts can be compelled that is by definition affecting us. You are more than welcome to go along with that but is not being a snowflake to fight back against what amounts to thought control

You got a source? Can’t really comment on it before I know what you’re talking about.

[spartan max2]

2 hours ago, OverSword said:

Won’t it? Did you see the 8th graders being charged with sexual harassment for not using a trans boys preferred pronouns?  That affects society in general including you and I. When our language or thoughts can be compelled that is by definition affecting us. You are more than welcome to go along with that but is not being a snowflake to fight back against what amounts to thought control

Are they being charged or is someone bringing a lawsuit? Because you can bring a lawsuit technically for anything, dosen't mean it would work, and is that the whole story or was there some kind of bullying also going on?

I agree that if a kid is successfully charged with sexual harassment for not using a pronoun that that is a problem and shouldn't be happening. Some activist do go too far. 

Though I do think someone is a dick if they use pronouns wrong on purpose. Like it would make you mad if people purposely called you her/she despite telling them you want to be referred to as he/him.

 

Edited May 14, 2022 by spartan max2

[el midgetron]

sorry duplicate post

Edited May 14, 2022 by el midgetron

[el midgetron]

Quote

LGBTQ activists at Stonewall have lost the plot, according to Simon Fanshawe OBE, who was one of the six founders of the group in 1989. Fanshawe, an openly gay man who spent decades campaigning for equal rights in Britain, said that he and others made gains by engaging with others of differing opinions.

In contrast, the Stonewall co-founder accused the current batch of trans activists of treating their ideology as “non-negotiable”.

“All that work is now in danger of being wrecked, Stonewall’s reputation discredited, and its credibility squandered, by trans activists — not all trans people, I hasten to add — who believe they can dictate what everyone is allowed to say and think,” Fanshawe wrote in the Daily Mail.

“A small minority of activists, including those who have taken over Stonewall, do not want to extend that decency and tolerance to the rest of the population,” he said.

“Equality, to them, means imposing their views on everyone else, without debate. That should concern anyone who believes freedom of speech is sacrosanct.”

Fanshawe said that his “jaw hit the floor” when Stonewall’s ‘Head of Trans inclusion’, Kirrin Medcalf, 24, said in court on Tuesday that “Bodies are not inherently male or female. They are just their bodies.”

The activist made the statement during a discrimination case brought forward against the LGBTQ charity by barrister Allison Bailey, who has alleged that her chambers, Garden Court, has been swayed by Stonewall, which serves as an advisor to the law firm, to reduce her pay and work after she criticised transgender ideology.

Medcalf, 24, who earlier this week refused to testify without the presence of his mother and a “support dog”, claimed that Bailey’s opposition to transgender ideology put trans people “at risk of physical harm”.

The Stonewall co-founder responded to the claim by saying that “[p]eople such as Kirrin Medcalf imagine that reality can be reshaped to fit their requirements.

“A difference of opinion is being painted as a physical threat. According to Medcalf, any trans person encountering Bailey is at risk of attack. This is a completely imaginary scenario”……

……The LGBTQ activist organisation has frequently found itself at odds with other seemingly progressive voices in Britain, such as Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling , over women’s issues, with Stonewall deriding such critics as TERFs (trans-exclusionary radical feminists).

Simon Fanshawe argued Stonewall should not minimise the concerns of women who object to transgenders competing in female-only sports or oppose letting biological males into female-only spaces such as changing rooms and bathrooms.

“Women who do speak out, even those as highly regarded as J.K. Rowling or Martina Navratilova, are told with vehemence to shut up,” Fanshawe wrote.

“It often feels as though the trans debate has plunged us back into an era before feminism, when women were often treated as airheads with nothing to contribute to social discourse.”

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/05/14/trans-craziness-has-ruined-the-credibility-of-gay-activism-says-stonewall-founder/

[+Hammerclaw]

On 5/13/2022 at 2:36 PM, Tatetopa said:

What is the definition of male and what is the definition of a man?

A guy who doesn't need it defined for him.

[Golden Duck]

3 hours ago, OverSword said:

Are those lyrics?

 

[Tatetopa]

5 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

A guy who doesn't need it defined for him.

That says a lot.

[lightly]

5 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

@lightly  I didn't mean that as a joke.   Why do you think all the attention is on men who change to women?   Because they are MEN, who cares about women who change to men, you hardly ever hear of it unless one gets pregnant or is the daughter/son of a famous person, but all we hear is "trans women"  because they are men and it is a man's world.

Ya, I know you were being serious.    So was I.      …but I agree with ya.

Edited May 14, 2022 by lightly

[preacherman76]

48 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

That says a lot.

Yeah like starting yesterday. Before that it was just common sense 

[+OverSword]

2 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

You got a source? Can’t really comment on it before I know what you’re talking about.

Scroll up. It’s on one of the videos in this thread