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Yeah, had a twin.  Couldn't believe it, nonfiction and everything.  Nfi what was going on for everyone to miss that one.

 

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Which one was The Good Son?

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Hmm?  Oh yeahx no Science, facts whatever, I forget when jumping bridges if ya know what I mean hahahaha these burning bridges with water underneath b tell ya what.

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3 hours ago, openozy said:

Which one was The Good Son?

The good son was the one without the goatee.

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Which Jesus would that be?

Joshua/Jesus bin Nun: Trained under Moses


Jesus the brother of High Priest John About 450 BC
 "When Eliashib the High Priest was dead, his son Judas succeeded in the high priesthood; and when he was dead, his son John took that dignity ...
 Now Jesus was the brother of John, and was a friend of Bagoses, who had promised to procure him the High Priesthood. In confidence of whose 
support, Jesus quarreled with John in the Temple, and so provoked his brother, that in his anger his brother slew him.
Now it was a horrible thing for John, when he was High Priest, to perpetrate so great a crime, and so much the more horrible, that there never was so cruel and impious a 
thing done, neither by the Greeks nor Barbarians.
However, God did not neglect its punishment, but the people were on that very account enslaved, and the Temple was polluted by the Persians. ... Accordingly, Bagoses made use of this pretense, and punished the Jews seven years for the murder of Jesus." – Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews - 11.7.

Jesus ben Sirach: About 180 BC
This Jesus was reputedly the author of the Book of Sirach (aka 'Ecclesiasticus, or the Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach'), part of Old Testament Apocrypha. Ben Sirach, 
writing in Greek about 180 BC, brought together Jewish 'wisdom' and Homeric-style heroes.

Jesus ben Pandira: A wonder-worker during the reign of Alexander Jannaeus (106-79 BC)
A wonder-worker during the reign of Alexander Jannaeus (106-79 BC), one of the most ruthless of the Maccabean kings. Imprudently, this Jesus launched into a career of end-time prophecy and agitation which upset the king. He met his own premature end-time by being hung on a tree – and on the eve of a Passover. Scholars have speculated this Jesus founded the Essene sect.

Jesus ben Phiabi: Jewish High priest (ca. 30 – 23 BCE)

Jesus ben Sie: Jewish High Priest About 3 BC

Jesus Barabbas: About 30 AD

Jesus Christ/Yeshua ben Yosef/Yeshua Ha Mashiac: About 30 AD

Jesus ben Ananias:: About 62 AD
Beginning in 62AD, this Jesus had caused disquiet in Jerusalem with a non-stop doom-laden mantra of ‘Woe to the city’. He prophesied rather vaguely:  "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, 
and a voice against the whole people." – Josephus, Wars 6.3.
Arrested and flogged by the Romans, Jesus ben Ananias was released as nothing more dangerous than a mad man. He died during the siege of Jerusalem from a rock 
hurled by a Roman catapult.

Jesus ben Saphat: About 68 AD
In the insurrection of 68AD that wrought havoc in Galilee, this Jesus had led the rebels in Tiberias ("the leader of a seditious tumult of mariners and poor people" –
Josephus, Life 12.66). When the city was about to fall to Vespasian’s legionaries he fled north to Tarichea on the Sea of Galilee.

Jesus ben Gamaliel: Likely the same as Jesus ben Gamala

Jesus ben Gamala: About 68/69 AD
During 68/69 AD this Jesus was a leader of the ‘peace party’ in the civil war wrecking Judaea. From the walls of Jerusalem he had remonstrated with the besieging 
Idumeans (led by ‘James and John, sons of Susa’). It did him no good. When the Idumeans breached the walls he was put to death and his body thrown to the dogs and 
carrion birds.

Jesus ben Thebuth: About 69 AD
A priest who, in the final capitulation of the upper city in 69AD, saved his own skin by surrendering the treasures of the Temple, which included two holy candlesticks, 
goblets of pure gold, sacred curtains and robes of the high priests. The booty figured prominently in the Triumph held for Vespasian and his son Titus.

Jesus ben Sec: Before 70 AD


Jesus ben Damneus: High priest – About 69/70 AD, deposed within a year

Jesus ben Stada: After 100 AD
was a Judean agitator who gave the Romans a headache in the early years of the second century. He met his end in the town of Lydda (twenty five miles from Jerusalem) 
at the hands of a Roman crucifixion crew.

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13 hours ago, Piney said:

So what exactly is the point? Considering Jesus's biography in the NT is pretty much fiction and gives him the aspects and teachings of previous religious figures.

I, too, am on Team Fiction.

But from a canon perspective — if Jesus is a twin, then God didn't give his only son to save humanity.

Just one of 'em.

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15 hours ago, PsiSeeker said:

Yeah, had a twin.

Poor donkey.

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10 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

Which Jesus would that be?

Joshua/Jesus bin Nun: Trained under Moses


Jesus the brother of High Priest John About 450 BC
 "When Eliashib the High Priest was dead, his son Judas succeeded in the high priesthood; and when he was dead, his son John took that dignity ...
 Now Jesus was the brother of John, and was a friend of Bagoses, who had promised to procure him the High Priesthood. In confidence of whose 
support, Jesus quarreled with John in the Temple, and so provoked his brother, that in his anger his brother slew him.
Now it was a horrible thing for John, when he was High Priest, to perpetrate so great a crime, and so much the more horrible, that there never was so cruel and impious a 
thing done, neither by the Greeks nor Barbarians.
However, God did not neglect its punishment, but the people were on that very account enslaved, and the Temple was polluted by the Persians. ... Accordingly, Bagoses made use of this pretense, and punished the Jews seven years for the murder of Jesus." – Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews - 11.7.

Jesus ben Sirach: About 180 BC
This Jesus was reputedly the author of the Book of Sirach (aka 'Ecclesiasticus, or the Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach'), part of Old Testament Apocrypha. Ben Sirach, 
writing in Greek about 180 BC, brought together Jewish 'wisdom' and Homeric-style heroes.

Jesus ben Pandira: A wonder-worker during the reign of Alexander Jannaeus (106-79 BC)
A wonder-worker during the reign of Alexander Jannaeus (106-79 BC), one of the most ruthless of the Maccabean kings. Imprudently, this Jesus launched into a career of end-time prophecy and agitation which upset the king. He met his own premature end-time by being hung on a tree – and on the eve of a Passover. Scholars have speculated this Jesus founded the Essene sect.

Jesus ben Phiabi: Jewish High priest (ca. 30 – 23 BCE)

Jesus ben Sie: Jewish High Priest About 3 BC

Jesus Barabbas: About 30 AD

Jesus Christ/Yeshua ben Yosef/Yeshua Ha Mashiac: About 30 AD

Jesus ben Ananias:: About 62 AD
Beginning in 62AD, this Jesus had caused disquiet in Jerusalem with a non-stop doom-laden mantra of ‘Woe to the city’. He prophesied rather vaguely:  "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, 
and a voice against the whole people." – Josephus, Wars 6.3.
Arrested and flogged by the Romans, Jesus ben Ananias was released as nothing more dangerous than a mad man. He died during the siege of Jerusalem from a rock 
hurled by a Roman catapult.

Jesus ben Saphat: About 68 AD
In the insurrection of 68AD that wrought havoc in Galilee, this Jesus had led the rebels in Tiberias ("the leader of a seditious tumult of mariners and poor people" –
Josephus, Life 12.66). When the city was about to fall to Vespasian’s legionaries he fled north to Tarichea on the Sea of Galilee.

Jesus ben Gamaliel: Likely the same as Jesus ben Gamala

Jesus ben Gamala: About 68/69 AD
During 68/69 AD this Jesus was a leader of the ‘peace party’ in the civil war wrecking Judaea. From the walls of Jerusalem he had remonstrated with the besieging 
Idumeans (led by ‘James and John, sons of Susa’). It did him no good. When the Idumeans breached the walls he was put to death and his body thrown to the dogs and 
carrion birds.

Jesus ben Thebuth: About 69 AD
A priest who, in the final capitulation of the upper city in 69AD, saved his own skin by surrendering the treasures of the Temple, which included two holy candlesticks, 
goblets of pure gold, sacred curtains and robes of the high priests. The booty figured prominently in the Triumph held for Vespasian and his son Titus.

Jesus ben Sec: Before 70 AD


Jesus ben Damneus: High priest – About 69/70 AD, deposed within a year

Jesus ben Stada: After 100 AD
was a Judean agitator who gave the Romans a headache in the early years of the second century. He met his end in the town of Lydda (twenty five miles from Jerusalem) 
at the hands of a Roman crucifixion crew.

cormac

I think that is all incredibly interesting...but  you didn't mention Jesus ben Left Chicago!  

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2 hours ago, Tiggs said:

I, too, am on Team Fiction.

But from a canon perspective — if Jesus is a twin, then God didn't give his only son to save humanity.

Just one of 'em.

Wait!  Huh?  Are you sure we aren't talking about Elvis...

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17 hours ago, PsiSeeker said:

Yeah, had a twin.  Couldn't believe it, nonfiction and everything.  Nfi what was going on for everyone to miss that one.

Is there anything that says they were identical twins?

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On 5/17/2022 at 10:11 PM, Cookie Monster said:

Is there anything that says they were identical twins?

No. Don't you know John 3:16? That totally squashed that rumor.

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7 hours ago, Davros of Skaro said:

No. Don't you know John 3:16? That totally squashed that rumor.

And later quickly pen in he was a triplet. :o

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39 minutes ago, Piney said:

And later quickly pen in he was a triplet. :o

I don't know what you're talking about. It's bad enough they made John the Baptist his cousin to make Jesus even more legit.

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3 minutes ago, Davros of Skaro said:

I don't know what you're talking about. It's bad enough they made John the Baptist his cousin to make Jesus even more legit.

:gun:

John 5:7 was added later.

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54 minutes ago, Piney said:

John 5:7 was added later.

The Johannine Comma.

Never heard that one before. John is messed up more ways than one.

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Ah, 1 John 5:7. Now I get it.

2 hours ago, Piney said:

... was added later.

Yup.

1 hour ago, Davros of Skaro said:

John is messed up more ways than one.

Could be, eh?

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7 hours ago, eight bits said:

Ah, 1 John 5:7. Now I get it.

Yup.

Could be, eh?

Was there really Johnnie Monks let alone John?

.......well....he wouldn't be the first litery device in the Bible.....

 

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On 5/17/2022 at 10:41 AM, PsiSeeker said:

Yeah, had a twin.  Couldn't believe it, nonfiction and everything.  Nfi what was going on for everyone to miss that one.

 

This:

http://gnosis.org/thomasbook/intro.html

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59 minutes ago, Piney said:

Ppppfffttt...   late stage Gnostic garbage.

Hi Piney

Yes indeed, it seems like religious refinement as more people were learning to read and write so at some point they knew questions would arise so had to present and argue many issues in refining themselves into one of the leading cults globally.

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10 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Yes indeed, it seems like religious refinement as more people were learning to read and write so at some point they knew questions would arise so had to present and argue many issues in refining themselves into one of the leading cults globally.

And so we ended up with a religion designed by committee.

Something for everybody, at some cost in coherence and consistency.

11 hours ago, Piney said:

Ppppfffttt...   late stage Gnostic garbage.

The only surviving complete example, a Coptic translation, is late for sure. But that Greek original, of which we have scraps from the recycling bin? That could easily be "Gospel Era," late First-early Second Century, Luke-Acts-John vintage, imo.

Of course that whole first century, 30ish to 130ish, is a dark age.

Anyway, I'm still working on whether or not there really was a Jesus; it may be a while before I get around to whether he had a twin :P

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Maybe that's why Mary stuck around, twice the fun... 

~

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3 hours ago, Abramelin said:

Whatever, but Didymus Thomas is Greek and Aramaic for 'twin' :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_the_Apostle

I know that. I had to do the whole Nag Hammadi thingy. Gnostic writings were all a word salad and tripe to me.

4 hours ago, eight bits said:

And so we ended up with a religion designed by committee.

With a bunch of power hungry pricks involved

4 hours ago, eight bits said:

Anyway, I'm still working on whether or not there really was a Jesus; it may be a while before I get around to whether he had a twin :P

Not the one in the Bible. 

 

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