19 students 2 teachers dead in Texas elementary school shooting

[Likely Guy]

3 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

That’s what heros look like. That’s What being a mom is.

Can't watch your video in my country.

[el midgetron]

3 minutes ago, Likely Guy said:

Can't watch your video in my country.

You can read her story here -
https://www.khou.com/amp/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/mother-saves-sons-from-uvalde-gunman/285-f5dc5552-f995-45ca-81b6-06ce0d623aa0

[joseraul]

19 minutes ago, Michelle said:

No I'm not. Statistics show white men commit the most mass shootings, regardless of politics or whatnot...period. 

White supremacy, hate crime violence definitely seems to have something to do with it.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/how-we-rise/2022/05/17/preventing-racial-hate-crimes-means-tackling-white-supremacist-ideology/

[+Hammerclaw]

The Left's narrative of most mass shooters being white, is contingent on a very narrow definition of what constitutes a mass shooting 

Most Mass Shooters Are Not White (crisismagazine.com)

Edited June 4, 2022 by Hammerclaw

[Michelle]

3 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

The Left's narrative of most mass shooters being white, is contingent on a very narrow definition of what constitutes a mass shooting 

Most Mass Shooters Are Not White (crisismagazine.com)

They are a little sensitive to kidding too. 

[Buzz_Light_Year]

9 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

The Left's narrative of most mass shooters being white, is contingent on a very narrow definition of what constitutes a mass shooting 

Most Mass Shooters Are Not White (crisismagazine.com)

This is the website they reference.

https://www.mass-shootings.info/statistics.php

Like the article says there is no clear definition of what a mass shooter is which invariably leads to statistics that can be skewed for a political narrative.

I see that Gendron is considered a white supremacist yet in his writings he considered himself a leftist authoritarian. 

Edited June 4, 2022 by Buzz_Light_Year

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, Michelle said:

Mostly white men are the culprits too. What are we going to do about them? 

Well of course legal white guys make up the bulk of the  male population  so that tends to skew the results.  Great question though.  Are they criminals and thugs, crazy people, or good guys gone bad?  What we do probably depends on what they are. 

Or you could just take the blanket approach.

Give us the respect and worship we crave, no back talk, no requests, no nagging, a little hit now and again is just loving discipline, don't talk about it to your friends.  Do what we tell you and things will be great again.

Think it will work?  Are you willing to submit and acknowledge that men are smarter, stronger , and have skills women don't?  

Oh, and it would be nice if you worked a little harder and earned a little more money.  We want the same toys other guys have.

 

[Michelle]

I was thinking more like keeping you in chains in the basement. We could feed and water you with the dogs. Of course you would have no say in how the children are raised or money was spent. If resistant to going to work you would get an armed escort until you learned how to behave. You could possibly get an allowance, and a little treat every now and then, if you preformed your husbandry duties to our satisfaction. We, on the other hand, would have the option of getting pleasure wherever we saw fit with no arguments from you. 

[+Hammerclaw]

2 hours ago, Michelle said:

They are a little sensitive to kidding too. 

People who talk back upset them.

[+Hammerclaw]

2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Give us the respect and worship we crave, no back talk, no requests, no nagging, a little hit now and again is just loving discipline, don't talk about it to your friends.  Do what we tell you and things will be great again.

That's what Liberals and their MSM demand.

Edited June 4, 2022 by Hammerclaw

[+Hammerclaw]

2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Well of course legal white guys make up the bulk of the  male population  so that tends to skew the results.  Great question though.  Are they criminals and thugs, crazy people, or good guys gone bad?  What we do probably depends on what they are. 

Or you could just take the blanket approach.

Give us the respect and worship we crave, no back talk, no requests, no nagging, a little hit now and again is just loving discipline, don't talk about it to your friends.  Do what we tell you and things will be great again.

Think it will work?  Are you willing to submit and acknowledge that men are smarter, stronger , and have skills women don't?  

Oh, and it would be nice if you worked a little harder and earned a little more money.  We want the same toys other guys have.

 

Isn't it amazing how arrogant and sexist Liberals become, when talking to a Conservative woman? 

[Autistocrates]

3 hours ago, Michelle said:

Mostly white men are the culprits too. What are we going to do about them? 

Force them to copulate with non-Whites and then de-invent firearms.

Was Pol Pot a "Nazi"?:

I can't wait until the gun banners among you face the end results of firearms confiscation  Why not stick a sign onto your front lawn reading, "This household is disarmed" and then see whose home gets invaded first.

For me, it's well worth the risk of becoming collateral damage, than to succumb to an arbitrary regime. 

Great Britain has one of Europe's most strict firearms legislation. Guess who still casually owns them. Here are Britain's White Supremicist gun owners:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/gun-violence-on-the-rise-as-gangs-emerge-from-lockdown-crime-commissioner-warns-39244597.html

https://www.rt.com/uk/272638-gangsters-buying-weapons-us/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10813615/how-london-is-being-infiltrated-by-brutal-foreign-hitmen-and-cocaine-kingpins-leaving-the-streets-wracked-with-fear/

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

33 minutes ago, Autistocrates said:

Force them to copulate with non-Whites and then de-invent firearms.

Was Pol Pot a "Nazi"?:

I can't wait until the gun banners among you face the end results of firearms confiscation  Why not stick a sign onto your front lawn reading, "This household is disarmed" and then see whose home gets invaded first.

For me, it's well worth the risk of becoming collateral damage, than to succumb to an arbitrary regime. 

Great Britain has one of Europe's most strict firearms legislation. Guess who still casually owns them. Here are Britain's White Supremicist gun owners:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/gun-violence-on-the-rise-as-gangs-emerge-from-lockdown-crime-commissioner-warns-39244597.html

https://www.rt.com/uk/272638-gangsters-buying-weapons-us/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10813615/how-london-is-being-infiltrated-by-brutal-foreign-hitmen-and-cocaine-kingpins-leaving-the-streets-wracked-with-fear/

 

Ever heard of a Compound Bow, or a Cross Bow they will make a mess out of you. 

[Tatetopa]

3 hours ago, Michelle said:

I was thinking more like keeping you in chains in the basement. We could feed and water you with the dogs. Of course you would have no say in how the children are raised or money was spent. If resistant to going to work you would get an armed escort until you learned how to behave. You could possibly get an allowance, and a little treat every now and then, if you preformed your husbandry duties to our satisfaction. We, on the other hand, would have the option of getting pleasure wherever we saw fit with no arguments from you. 

Ok, I guess that is Plan B.  Doesn't sound like as fun for men.

Plan C every man gets a mother, and a wife to keep him in line and in hard cases a grandma and a sister too.  Then he needs a teenage daughter to tell him his nose hair is gross and the way he eats fried chicken is gross and he smells funky when he works outside.  The teenage years: all of the persnicketyness  and none of the tolerance of adulthood.

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said:

Isn't it amazing how arrogant and sexist Liberals become, when talking to a Conservative woman? 

Don't know what you are talking about friend, I was just having a little fun with someone I respect.  And, yeah, I was making fun of myself mostly.  Sorry if it cut too close.

[Jaded1]

37 minutes ago, Autistocrates said:

Great Britain has one of Europe's most strict firearms legislation. Guess who still casually owns them. Here are Britain's White Supremicist gun owners:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/gun-violence-on-the-rise-as-gangs-emerge-from-lockdown-crime-commissioner-warns-39244597.html

https://www.rt.com/uk/272638-gangsters-buying-weapons-us/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10813615/how-london-is-being-infiltrated-by-brutal-foreign-hitmen-and-cocaine-kingpins-leaving-the-streets-wracked-with-fear/

 

You can't even BEGIN to compare the UK's gun problems with the s**t you have going on in the US. It's like a miniscule drop in the ocean. We honestly shake our heads (along with the rest of the civilised world) in disbelief at your bonkers gun laws and your absolutely idiotic stubbornness in refusing to do a damned thing to change them. You really must be a paranoid nation if you think you need 1.2 guns per person to protect yourself from "tyranny". Who do you think is coming after you? The bogeyman? All these kids dying in vain and you just shrug your shoulders and buy more guns.

I've been reading the thread with astonishment because I just can't comprehend some of the utterly mad and totally non-sensical comments coming from people who (in comments on other threads) seem reasonably rational when talking about things other than gun control. The rest of the world is laughing at you.

[+Razman]

On the bright side, if there is ever any kind of invasion in the U.S. , We'll be mostly armed already.

[joseraul]

10 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

The Left's narrative of most mass shooters being white, is contingent on a very narrow definition of what constitutes a mass shooting 

Most Mass Shooters Are Not White (crisismagazine.com)

 

I feel like arguing about the minute details of the definition is a pretty grim way to attempt to make a point.

But yeah MY BAD. it's called a base rate fallacy, numbers get skewed because the majority of population is non-Hispanic Whites,

so in relation to their population size it appears higher. But still TOO high and there is an increase in hate crimes too.

There can be like, separate motivations behind why killers do what they do, mental illness doesn't just strike white people

but being a white supremacist does, and it's a big part of the issue and it is growing. And it's tied up in NRA/LawEnforcement/Right-wing politics.

Edited June 5, 2022 by joseraul

[Grim Reaper 6]

27 minutes ago, razman said:

On the bright side, if there is ever any kind of invasion in the U.S. , We'll be mostly armed already.

You know that was the exact intention of the 2nd Amendment as framed in the US Constitution not all the rhetoric people use today to protect their right to bear arms. The Continental Congress wrote the 2nd Amendment in case of another invasion by a foreign power like during the war of 1812. The concept was that if citizens were armed they could be mobilized much faster in the event of national emergency. If the founding father could see what it has morphed into today they would crap their pants!

[+Hammerclaw]

13 minutes ago, joseraul said:

 

I feel like arguing about the minute details of the definition is a pretty grim way to attempt to make a point.

But yeah MY BAD. it's called a base rate fallacy, numbers get skewed because the majority of population is non-Hispanic Whites,

so in relation to their population size it appears higher. But still TOO high and there is an increase in hate crimes too.

There can be like, separate motivations behind why killers do what they do, mental illness doesn't just strike white people

but being a white supremacist does, and it's a big part of the issue and it is growing. And it's tied up in NRA/LawEnforcement/Right-wing politics.

You're full of it, dude. You blithely disparage all gunowners, pro law enforcement people and Republicans like it ain't no thing and are distressed when fact are presented in discussion? The Texas mass shooting was committed by a Hispanic and almost all his victims Hispanic. The Virginia Tech shooter was Korean. The DC sniper turned out to be two black guys. Take your political BS and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Edited June 5, 2022 by Hammerclaw

[Grim Reaper 6]

10 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

The Left's narrative of most mass shooters being white, is contingent on a very narrow definition of what constitutes a mass shooting 

Most Mass Shooters Are Not White (crisismagazine.com)

That’s not the Lefts Narrative at all it’s a proven statistical fact and as far as a mass shooting or killing is concerned it’s defined in the following manner!

Congress defines a mass shooting or killing as three or more people killed in a single incident, not including the perpetrator. The Gun Violence Archive builds on that definition to define a mass shooting as “four or more people are shot or killed in a single incident, not including the shooter.” https://disasterphilanthropy.org/resources/mass-shootings/

Number of mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and June 2022, by shooter's race or ethnicity:

Between 1982 and June 2022, 68 out of the 129 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by WHITE SHOOTERS. By comparison, the perpetrator was African American in 21 mass shootings, and Latino in 11. When calculated as percentages, this amounts to 53 percent, 16 percent, and 8.5 percent respectively.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

[joseraul]

11 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

You're full of it, dude. You blithely disparage all gunowners, pro law enforcement people and Republicans like it ain't no thing and are distressed when fact are presented in discussion? The Texas mass shooting was committed by a Hispanic and almost all his victims Hispanic. The Virginia Tech shooter was Korean. The DC sniper turned out to be two black guys. Take your political BS and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Disparage? I don't mean to offend YOU by saying Gun regulations work and white supremacy is a threat to national security.

You give 3 examples of 3 shootings and ? lol  I acknowledge that mass shootings are being committed by other races as well, White peoples numbers are higher but because they are overrepresented being the majority of the populace.

We are in a political discussion forum, my bad?

[joseraul]

6 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

That’s not the Lefts Narrative at all it’s a proven statistical fact and as far as a mass shooting or killing is concerned it’s defined in the following manner!

Congress defines a mass shooting or killing as three or more people killed in a single incident, not including the perpetrator. The Gun Violence Archive builds on that definition to define a mass shooting as “four or more people are shot or killed in a single incident, not including the shooter.” https://disasterphilanthropy.org/resources/mass-shootings/

Number of mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and June 2022, by shooter's race or ethnicity:

Between 1982 and June 2022, 68 out of the 129 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by WHITE SHOOTERS. By comparison, the perpetrator was African American in 21 mass shootings, and Latino in 11. When calculated as percentages, this amounts to 53 percent, 16 percent, and 8.5 percent respectively.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

Yeah this is what I came up with

But I think whites are being overrepresented slightly because they are 66% of the population. However their numbers are still higher. And I believe a lot of it is fueled by hate/extremism/racism and lack of mental healthcare/positive resources, as with all young men. Sad.

Edited June 5, 2022 by joseraul

[+Hammerclaw]

7 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

That’s not the Lefts Narrative at all it’s a proven statistical fact and as far as a mass shooting or killing is concerned it’s defined in the following manner!

Congress defines a mass shooting or killing as three or more people killed in a single incident, not including the perpetrator. The Gun Violence Archive builds on that definition to define a mass shooting as “four or more people are shot or killed in a single incident, not including the shooter.” https://disasterphilanthropy.org/resources/mass-shootings/

Number of mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and June 2022, by shooter's race or ethnicity:

Between 1982 and June 2022, 68 out of the 129 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by WHITE SHOOTERS. By comparison, the perpetrator was African American in 21 mass shootings, and Latino in 11. When calculated as percentages, this amounts to 53 percent, 16 percent, and 8.5 percent respectively.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

That's an arbitrary and illogical definition based on-not the number of people shot in and incident, but on how many fatalities. So, if someone shot twenty people and they all survived, it wouldn't count as a mass shooting. That may make sense to you, but not everyone.

Edited June 5, 2022 by Hammerclaw

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 minutes ago, joseraul said:

Disparage? I don't mean to offend YOU by saying Gun regulations work and white supremacy is a threat to national security.

You give 3 examples of 3 shootings and ? lol  I acknowledge that mass shootings are being committed by other races as well, White peoples numbers are higher but because they are overrepresented being the majority of the populace.

We are in a political discussion forum, my bad?

The statistics I posted above are from a highly non bias sources with very high credibility the data is accurate and people can choose to believe it or disregard but the facts are facts!

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