The comprehensibility of God

[+Sherapy]

3 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Probably off topic, but I see so many threads discussing god. Yet I haven't seen any discussing righteous living.

Exactly, at this point most are only thinking about god constructs, we do not hear much about the practice and take aways in real time. 

[Will Due]

23 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Probably off topic, but I see so many threads discussing god. Yet I haven't seen any discussing righteous living.

 

It's interesting that you said that Xeno. Righteous living, what exactly is that? To me living righteously is living the way you're supposed to live. Living correctly. And since I've initiated this thread to highlight the comprehensibility of not only who God is and what he is, but also to comprehend how to live exactly as you've pointed out. Living righteously. And sorry to bore you but this is exactly why it's so revealing to look at Jesus, His teachings, the way he lived his life. This is the prime example of righteous living without error in my opinion. Looking at him is all encompassing. It's revealing about the nature of God and it's also revealing as to understanding how to live. That's how I see it. That's why I look to him.

 

 

Edited June 21, 2022 by Will Due

[jmccr8]

3 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

Where did you come up with the idea that you're supposed to accept the words and doctrines written down by mere people, as you said? That isn't true at all. In fact, just like science, our understanding of religion and the reality of God is progressing more or less these days at the same rate that science is. Because of science, it's progress, how it's caused us to think in new ways, it's now a part of how we apply our thinking towards God and man's religions. To me, we live in an unprecedented time of being liberated from so much from the past that was an unnecessary heavy burden which simply isn't viable anymore.

Today we are finally free to individually and personally discover the true path. That pretty much was hidden and taken away from us in the past. 

 

 

Hi Will

By you talking about god now is no different than 2000 or more years ago, they were men and you are a man that talks about a god that you cannot show exists in any other way than words.

God is a personal choice and experience so can be whatever that person needs god to be at that time . Over time they develop a relationship with an idea of what god wants, their understanding of that god and what it wants is their personal interpretation.

Not sure why you think god needs to be comprehensible seeing as many humans are incompressible to each other, you can see and hear humans.

[+Sherapy]

12 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Well thanks Sheri. To be honest, I kind of abandoned typing things with my fingers on my cell phone since I've discovered how easy it is to use the voice feature instead lol.

You asked what is the religion of Jesus. Well as far as I can tell, it is this:

Faith in God as your Father, faith that you are the Father's child, plus faith in the fact that learning to do His will is possible; is what the religion of Jesus actually is. The one main distinction about it is that the religion of Jesus isn't something to believe in, but rather, it's something to do. I think you know what that is.

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It's the business of doing the Father's will.

 

 

What is doing the Father’s Will to you? 

[Will Due]

7 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Will

By you talking about god now is no different than 2000 or more years ago, they were men and you are a man that talks about a god that you cannot show exists in any other way than words.

God is a personal choice and experience so can be whatever that person needs god to be at that time . Over time they develop a relationship with an idea of what god wants, their understanding of that god and what it wants is their personal interpretation.

 

Yes, I believe you're right. A relationship is developed with an idea which results in an understanding. Which is another word for comprehending, isn't it?

I would venture to guess, because it's been a long time for me, that when a small child overhears a conversation where God is discussed or brought up by its elders, That child immediately has a sense of comprehension of what has come to its attention.

Having comprehension about God has got to be one of the most natural and common things, a human being experiences even as a small child.

In my opinion, it seems to me that atheism is also an idea that results in comprehending what is true about God.

 

 

7 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Not sure why you think god needs to be comprehensible seeing as many humans are incompressible to each other, you can see and hear humans.

 

 

 

[+Sherapy]

16 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

It's interesting that you said that Xeno. Righteous living, what exactly is that? To me living righteously is living the way you're supposed to live. Living correctly. And since I've initiated this thread to highlight the comprehensibility of not only who God is and what he is, but also to comprehend how to live exactly as you've pointed out. Living righteously. And sorry to bore you but this is exactly why it's so revealing to look at Jesus, His teachings, the way he lived his life. This is the prime example of righteous living without error in my opinion. Looking at him is all encompassing. It's revealing about the nature of God and it's also revealing as to understanding how to live. That's how I see it. That's why I look to him.

 

 

What does living righteously mean to you? 
 

[Will Due]

9 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

What is doing the Father’s Will to you? 

 

Doing what in the highest sense, is right. Doing what in the highest sense is loving. Doing what in the highest sense is kind. Doing what in the highest sense is a service. Doing what in the highest sense is altruistic.

 

 

[Will Due]

3 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

What does living righteously mean to you? 
 

 

See my post #275

 

 

[+Sherapy]

5 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Doing what in the highest sense, is right. Doing what in the highest sense is loving. Doing what in the highest sense is kind. Doing what in the highest sense is a service. Doing what in the highest sense is altruistic.

 

 

Examples, please, this could mean anything what I am asking you is how does doing the fathers will translate for you in its highest sense?

Edited June 21, 2022 by Sherapy

[cormac mac airt]

18 minutes ago, Will Due said:

It's interesting that you said that Xeno. Righteous living, what exactly is that? To me living righteously is living the way you're supposed to live. Living correctly. And since I've initiated this thread to highlight the comprehensibility of not only who God is and what he is, but also to comprehend how to live exactly as you've pointed out. Living righteously. And sorry to bore you but this is exactly why it's so revealing to look at Jesus, His teachings, the way he lived his life. This is the prime example of righteous living without error in my opinion. Looking at him is all encompassing. It's revealing about the nature of God and it's also revealing as to understanding how to live. That's how I see it. That's why I look to him.

But realistically what do you, or anyone else for that matter, know about Jesus’ teachings or the way he lived his life? And by that I don’t mean what someone else said decades after his death, but by him? The short answer is that nothing can be known about either beyond what could be said about any 1st Century Jew. So why are you sticking him with anyone else’s religious beliefs? 
 

cormac

[Will Due]

1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said:

But realistically what do you, or anyone else for that matter, know about Jesus’ teachings or the way he lived his life? And by that I don’t mean what someone else said decades after his death, but by him? The short answer is that nothing can be known about either beyond what could be said about any 1st Century Jew. So why are you sticking him with anyone else’s religious beliefs? 
 

cormac

 

Because the records and what they say, makes God comprehensible. Like nothing else does.

 

 

[Will Due]

8 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Examples, please, this could mean anything what I am asking you is how does doing the fathers will translate for you in its highest sense?

 

That man is a child of God, the Father in heaven, and if he's willing he will become something like him. Just like every good child becomes very much like their good father.

 

 

[cormac mac airt]

4 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Because the records and what they say, makes God comprehensible. Like nothing else does.

So basically you prefer crapping on his memory because it makes you feel better thinking you comprehend the incomprehensible. It’s a shame to think you’d do that to a person. 
 

cormac

[jmccr8]

33 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Yes, I believe you're right. A relationship is developed with an idea which results in an understanding. Which is another word for comprehending, isn't it?

Hi Will

The idea is and can only ever be an idea, if every person with an idea of a god could physically manifest that god the global population would slightly less than double will those gods feed and cloth and heal the humans that believe in them? 

33 minutes ago, Will Due said:

In my opinion, it seems to me that atheism is also an idea that results in comprehending what is true about God.

Could be I am not an atheist so can't speak for them, I don't struggle to comprehend what god is as my construct is that god is a word to describe our ability to think and create. I only had to realize that once and could/can see it in action everywhere I look, I don't need a book or a savior to live my life with my idea of god all I have to do is think constructively and give my thoughts/ideas a physical reality by creating something.

Edited June 21, 2022 by jmccr8

[+Sherapy]

4 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

That man is a child of God, the Father in heaven, and if he's willing he will become something like him. Just like every good child becomes very much like their good father.

 

 

Will, as parents we pass on values this a big part of parenting, and our conditioning all humans do this then at a certain age our kids leave the nest and decide for themselves what works and what doesn’t for them based on their experiences and most likely very few of our values are kept, and we trust our kids to work it out for themselves and if they want a sounding board to help work thru things most families are there to help, this is the human condition and how we adapt based on what is going on now. The boy child becomes a man by setting aside things of a boy. There is even a scripture about this. 

[Will Due]

18 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

So basically you prefer crapping on his memory because it makes you feel better thinking you comprehend the incomprehensible. It’s a shame to think you’d do that to a person. 
 

cormac

 

What memory is that? What memory are you talking about?

 

 

[oslove]

1 hour ago, Sherapy said:

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This is not personal towards you as not everything is about you in my world so do not take it’s such, I post the way it works best for me, which is being clear and credible as possible,  and you can always seek clarity on any of my posts that is a much more productive way to handle disagreement as opposed to only taking it personal and lashing out feeling a need to defend yourself. No one us attacking you. IMHO

 

Well, what you want is that Will Due follow you whatever you are.

 

Tell me just the same, what is your God if any at all, I am keen to interact with you on God or no God - just don't go about wishy-washy, and get to say something definite.

[cormac mac airt]

7 minutes ago, Will Due said:

What memory is that? What memory are you talking about?

The memory of a man who was, at most, trying to reform Judaism and WASN’T trying to start a religion as opposed to one who unevidenced stories were written about so you could claim to comprehend the incomprehensible. That man’s memory. 
 

cormac

[+Sherapy]

31 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

That man is a child of God, the Father in heaven, and if he's willing he will become something like him. Just like every good child becomes very much like their good father.

 

 

This is really a misogynistic and exclusive view for these days too. This god will end up on the shelf gathering dust like those before and in will come a new one, I think polytheism might make a come back.  

[+Sherapy]

8 minutes ago, oslove said:

 

Well, what you want is that Will Due follow you whatever you are.

 

Tell me just the same, what is your God if any at all, I am keen to interact with you on God or no God - just don't go about wishy-washy, and get to say something definite.

If I want to share I will start my own thread Oslove this thread is for Will, let’s respect that by getting back on topic. 

[Will Due]

22 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

The memory of a man who was, at most, trying to reform Judaism and WASN’T trying to start a religion as opposed to one who unevidenced stories were written about so you could claim to comprehend the incomprehensible. That man’s memory. 
 

cormac

 

How did you come to the conclusion that Jesus was trying to reform Judaism and also conclude at the same time that he wasn't trying to start a new religion?

And as a follow-up, since you're willing to accept what the record supposedly says about him trying to reform the religion of his forefathers and not to establish a new religion on its own, what do you think he was saying when he said this:

"Men do not put new wine into old wine skins, lest the new wine burst the skins so that both the wine and the skins perish. The wise man puts the new wine into fresh wine skins.

Seems to me what he was saying was that the old wine skin of his forefather's religion shouldn't be used again because if it was, it would burst when the new wine of the new religion was put therein.

 

 

[Will Due]

36 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

This is really a misogynistic and exclusive view for these days too. 

 

Sheri, in case you haven't noticed, gender identity is an irrelevant issue now. 

 

 

Edited June 21, 2022 by Will Due

[+Sherapy]

26 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Sheri, in case you haven't noticed, gender identity is an irrelevant issue now. 

 

 

I would appreciate this understanding to show up in the framing of your posts, thank you.  You express your god as a he is fine as long as it is clear you construct him as a him for your needs. Just a suggestion. I see this as an opportunity for you to be inclusive. 

Edited June 21, 2022 by Sherapy

[cormac mac airt]

38 minutes ago, Will Due said:

How did you come to the conclusion that Jesus was trying to reform Judaism and also conclude at the same time that he wasn't trying to start a new religion?

And as a follow-up, since you're willing to accept what the record supposedly says about him trying to reform the religion of his forefathers and not to establish a new religion on its own, what do you think he was saying when he said this:

"Men do not put new wine into old wine skins, lest the new wine burst the skins so that both the wine and the skins perish. The wise man puts the new wine into fresh wine skins.

Seems to me what he was saying was that the old wine skin of his forefather's religion shouldn't be used again because if it was, it would burst when the new wine of the new religion was put therein.

The whole “Money-lenders in the Temple” debacle for starters which had always been considered sacrilege until the latter centuries BC. 
 

More like the old ways of worshipping had become highly corrupted in the last century or so BC and a new, more tolerant  way of worshiping God had to take its place. It had nothing to do with changing religions. 
 

cormac

Edited June 21, 2022 by cormac mac airt

[cormac mac airt]

7 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

I would appreciate this understanding to show up in the framing of your posts, thank you.  You express your god as a he is fine as long as it is clear you construct him as a him for your needs. Just a suggestion. I see this as an opportunity for you to be inclusive. 

And this is what I’d call Getting Owned. Way to go girl. 
 

cormac