+Sherapy Posted June 29, 2022 #401 Share Posted June 29, 2022 12 hours ago, Will Due said: The comprehensibility of God is futile without the comprehensibility of man first. Take this for example from the life and teachings of Jesus: "Lord, I knew you and realized that you were a shrewd man in that you expected gains where you had not personally labored; therefore was I afraid to risk aught of that which was intrusted to me. I safely hid your talent in the earth; here it is; you now have what belongs to you.’ But his lord answered: ‘You are an indolent and slothful steward. By your own words you confess that you knew I would require of you an accounting with reasonable profit. Knowing this, you ought, therefore, to have at least put my money into the hands of the bankers that on my return I might have received my own with interest. "And then this lord said: ‘Take away this talent from this unprofitable servant. “To every one who has, more shall be given, and he shall have abundance; but from him who has not, even that which he has shall be taken away. What significance does this the hold for you, Will? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted June 29, 2022 #402 Share Posted June 29, 2022 14 hours ago, Will Due said: The comprehensibility of God is futile without the comprehensibility of man first. Hi Will Or if man truly comprehended what man is he may have no need for a god construct. I think the incomprehensible aspects of god is that the one who imagines the god has not finished developing the character and qualities of that god in their construct and leaves them room for modification to suit the need of the moment. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted June 29, 2022 #403 Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Will Or if man truly comprehended what man is he may have no need for a god construct. I think the incomprehensible aspects of god is that the one who imagines the god has not finished developing the character and qualities of that god in their construct and leaves them room for modification to suit the need of the moment. Well said. An add to, focus on treating others “right” instead of quoting Bible passages. One’s behavior then speaks for them and what they value. I think one looking for their goodness in a god construct can be a stepping stone to application of the qualities they are trying to nurture in real time. IMHO Edited June 29, 2022 by Sherapy 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted June 29, 2022 #404 Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sherapy said: Well said. An add to, focus on treating others “right” instead of quoting Bible passages. One’s behavior then speaks for them. I think one looking for their goodness in a god construct can be a stepping stone to application of the qualities they are trying to nurture in real time. IMHO Hi Sherapy Reference to god might as well be a third term reference to oneself as it is one’s self that grows 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted June 29, 2022 #405 Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Sherapy Reference to god might as well be a third term reference to oneself as it is one’s self that grows Exactly, a projection. That is an astute insight, Jay. Eventually, the point is to become the qualities, whether it’s compassion, kindness, etc etc it is about the practice, not the preach. Edited June 29, 2022 by Sherapy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted June 30, 2022 #406 Share Posted June 30, 2022 7 hours ago, Sherapy said: Exactly, a projection. That is an astute insight, Jay. Eventually, the point is to become the qualities, whether it’s compassion, kindness, etc etc it is about the practice, not the preach. Hi Sherapy Absolutely, were each are our own purpose in life, our uniqueness ends and starts with our ego however were are members of a species that is dependent on each other for our skills and support something we should both give and receive. Our purpose is to be and as social creatures it should be to the betterment of the whole as it is a part of what were are a community of individuals. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted June 30, 2022 #407 Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Sherapy Absolutely, were each are our own purpose in life, our uniqueness ends and starts with our ego however were are members of a species that is dependent on each other for our skills and support something we should both give and receive. Our purpose is to be and as social creatures it should be to the betterment of the whole as it is a part of what were are a community of individuals. Exactly, very well said, Jay 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted June 30, 2022 #408 Share Posted June 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Sherapy said: Exactly, very well said, Jay Hi Sherapy Thanks 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted June 30, 2022 #409 Share Posted June 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Sherapy Thanks One of my fave sayings (paraphrasing a bit): “[Jesus] said to have [compassion] for your worst enemy and I obeyed and had compassion for myself.” Kahil Gibran My worst enemy has only ever been myself, if I can have compassion for all of me (shadow’s and all) then it possible for me to have compassion for others. Being human, embracing our humanity all of it is enough for anyone to grow into for one lifetime. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted June 30, 2022 #410 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Sherapy said: One of my fave sayings (paraphrasing a bit): “[Jesus] said to have [compassion] for your worst enemy and I obeyed and had compassion for myself.” Kahil Gibran My worst enemy has only ever been myself, if I can have compassion for all of me (shadow’s and all) then it possible for me to have compassion for others. Being human, embracing our humanity all of it is enough for anyone to grow into for one lifetime. Hi Sherapy Because I know myself I could be the person I fear the most simply because I know where I have gone and what I have done as well as the conditions that they were a part of. I see myself as everyone's equal no matter what they think. I have been known to stop everything in my life to make someone my special focus if they have worked hard enough to want to learn that lesson. Edited June 30, 2022 by jmccr8 n 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted June 30, 2022 #411 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Sherapy Because I know myself I could be the person I fear the most simply because I know where I have gone and what I have done as well as the conditions that they were a part of. I see myself as everyone's equal no matter what they think. I have been known to stop everything in my life to make someone my special focus if they have worked hard enough to want to learn that lesson. And, you come across as having this quality and understanding, I have no idea what path you walk nor does it matter, cuz how you treat others shows us all who you are. Fair, gracious, non judgmental, honest and inclusive, etc. etc. Edited June 30, 2022 by Sherapy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted June 30, 2022 #412 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Sherapy said: And, you come across as having this quality and understanding, I have no idea what path you walk nor does it matter, cuz how you treat others shows us all who you are. Fair, gracious, non judgmental, honest and inclusive, etc. etc. Hi Sherapy Thanks again for the kind words. My path is really a field to wander in rather than having an objective straight path. We all experience life differently and how we walk into it affects the outcome. I try to be a fair and decent person but am sure Al Capone felt the same way, "I am a loveable guy guns or not". I have always been my brothers keeper and have had a lot of little sisters over the years, it is in our nature to care and we should expand it to include people not like ourselves. I am a cynical man because of the life I have lived but that does not mean that I do not love my fellow man only that I have a means test so to speak that helps me determine the quality of need that others express to me. I will help a person with reserve if I have doubts and not give them the full benefit of what I can do for them because most of it involves setting a stage point of self admission and if you cannot admit I cannot give full benefit and the commitment usually means changing lifestyle to succeed. I worked hard to change my life so I could enjoy being a grampa and have no regrets Edited June 30, 2022 by jmccr8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted June 30, 2022 #413 Share Posted June 30, 2022 18 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Sherapy Thanks again for the kind words. My path is really a field to wander in rather than having an objective straight path. We all experience life differently and how we walk into it affects the outcome. I try to be a fair and decent person but am sure Al Capone felt the same way, "I am a loveable guy guns or not". I have always been my brothers keeper and have had a lot of little sisters over the years, it is in our nature to care and we should expand it to include people not like ourselves. I am a cynical man because of the life I have lived but that does not mean that I do not love my fellow man only that I have a means test so to speak that helps me determine the quality of need that others express to me. I will help a person with reserve if I have doubts and not give them the full benefit of what I can do for them because most of it involves setting a stage point of self admission and if you cannot admit I cannot give full benefit and the commitment usually means changing lifestyle to succeed. I worked hard to change my life so I could enjoy being a grampa and have no regrets Love this! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted June 30, 2022 #414 Share Posted June 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sherapy said: Love this! Hi Sherapy I love being that grampa. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted June 30, 2022 #415 Share Posted June 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Sherapy I love being that grampa. Awww, so happy for you 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted June 30, 2022 #416 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Sherapy I love being that grampa. Hi Sherapy I will pm a photo of her dressed up for grad and damn my Babydoll is grown some from the leg hugger she once was. Love her just the same now PS added comment She will always be a little girl/woman to me no matter how old she gets as only a grampa can. Edited June 30, 2022 by jmccr8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted July 5, 2022 #417 Share Posted July 5, 2022 On 6/29/2022 at 9:33 PM, jmccr8 said: Hi Sherapy I will pm a photo of her dressed up for grad and damn my Babydoll is grown some from the leg hugger she once was. Love her just the same now PS added comment She will always be a little girl/woman to me no matter how old she gets as only a grampa can. On 6/29/2022 at 9:33 PM, jmccr8 said: Hi Sherapy I will pm a photo of her dressed up for grad and damn my Babydoll is grown some from the leg hugger she once was. Love her just the same now PS added comment She will always be a little girl/woman to me no matter how old she gets as only a grampa can. Don’t forget to send me a pic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted July 5, 2022 #418 Share Posted July 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, Sherapy said: Don’t forget to send me a pic. Hi Sherapy I did send it but it ended up in another conversation and have resent it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oslove Posted July 8, 2022 #419 Share Posted July 8, 2022 On 6/4/2022 at 8:41 AM, Will Due said: Can God ever be totally comprehended? Not in my opinion, no. Probably not even in eternity. If you'll live that long. Can God partially be comprehended? Without a doubt, of course he can. If God created man, then certainly, he'd also be able to provide a way for man to know him. Of the many places and things that provide insight and comprehension into who and what God is, the most valuable of all in my opinion, is knowing the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it. Hi Well, I think you have to first define what it is for man to comprehend God. From my part, I would submit that for man to comprehend God means that man has a concept of God, or a definition of God. So, I ask you, what is your definition of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted July 8, 2022 Author #420 Share Posted July 8, 2022 47 minutes ago, oslove said: what is your definition of God. The life that Jesus lived defines what and who God is. And that's why: "Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it." Which makes the comprehensibility of God very easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Liquid Gardens Posted July 8, 2022 #421 Share Posted July 8, 2022 52 minutes ago, oslove said: So, I ask you, what is your definition of God. 3 minutes ago, Will Due said: "Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it." Which makes the comprehensibility of God very easy. Yes, now this is the debate I wanted to see - when an immovable object meets... another immovable object. Popcorn please... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted July 8, 2022 Author #422 Share Posted July 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Liquid Gardens said: Yes, now this is the debate I wanted to see - when an immovable object meets... another immovable object. Popcorn please... What the hell are you on about LG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Liquid Gardens Posted July 8, 2022 #423 Share Posted July 8, 2022 Just now, Will Due said: What the hell are you on about LG? Relax, it's just a joke, I'm not trying to insult you guys. Face it, you aren't exactly one who I'd say is really that open to the idea that your beliefs may be wrong, neither is who you're talking too. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, many people hold devoutness in high regard, just pointing it out. It could make for an interesting debate, but good luck on making headway. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oslove Posted July 8, 2022 #424 Share Posted July 8, 2022 31 minutes ago, Will Due said: The life that Jesus lived defines what and who God is. And that's why: "Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it." Which makes the comprehensibility of God very easy. You see, Well, there are Christians, Muslims, and Orthodox Jews who believe in God, and only Christians believe Jesus to be God, but not Muslims and Orthodox Jews - they Muslims and Orthodox Jews don't comprehend Jesus to be God. How would you, Well, prove to them that Jesus is God? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted July 8, 2022 Author #425 Share Posted July 8, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said: Relax, it's just a joke You know what's really not a joke? "From him who has not shall be taken away even that which he thinks he has." Comprendo? Edited July 8, 2022 by Will Due Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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