Jan 6 public hearings Live

[spartan max2]

 

Figured this should be its own thread since these hearings will be happening for a couple weeks. Link below.

Starting today right now.

Allegedly what day one will be about 

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A House panel investigating the attack is opening its landmark series of public hearings with video testimony from people close to the former president and footage revealing the role of the Proud Boys.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/06/09/us/jan-6-hearings

Edited June 10, 2022 by spartan max2

[spartan max2]

So one part that stands out to me already are how we got Trump trying to replace the justice department. (People whom were appointed by him) because they wouldn't claim that the election was fraud. 

That's very dangerous and corrupt. 

[spartan max2]

Also evidence of Trump refusing to make a statement asking his supporters to leave the capital during the riot. Despite many people calling him.

The defense was led by orders from Mike Pence 

[el midgetron]

I have to assume this clip is taking Maddow out of context….?

 

 

 

 

 

[Tiggs]

2 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Also evidence of Trump refusing to make a statement asking his supporters to leave the capital during the riot. Despite many people calling him.

The defense was led by orders from Mike Pence 

Including calling in the National Guard.

I think the two things that stood out for me were:

1: Multiple Republican members of Congress asking Trump for a pardon for their roles in attempting to overturn the 2020 election..

2: Trump telling his staff that his supporters "were doing what they should be doing", when he was asked to call them off.

[Autochthon1990]

2 hours ago, Tiggs said:

Including calling in the National Guard.

I think the two things that stood out for me were:

1: Multiple Republican members of Congress asking Trump for a pardon for their roles in attempting to overturn the 2020 election..

2: Trump telling his staff that his supporters "were doing what they should be doing", when he was asked to call them off.

That's pretty ****ing damning if you ask me. 

[Katniss]

From what I saw, lots of horrible people in that crowd. What happened to those police officers was cruel.

[ExpandMyMind]

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Then-President Donald Trump’s attorney general thought his lies and conspiracy theories claiming massive voting fraud in the 2020 election were “bull****” and “crazy stuff”—and Trump’s daughter Ivanka agreed.

The House Jan. 6 Select Committee opened its much-anticipated hearings on Thursday evening by showing videotaped depositions of both Attorney General Bill Barr and Ivanka Trump.

Barr testified that he told Trump that the claims of widespread voting fraud were “bull****,” and warned that claims by Trump and his allies that voting machines had been rigged against him had “zero basis” in reality.

“There was actually zero basis for the allegations, but they were made in such a sensational way that they obviously were influencing a lot of people, members of the public, that there was this systemic corruption in the system and that their votes didn't count and that these machines controlled by somebody else were actually determining it which was complete nonsense,” Barr testified. “I told them that it was crazy stuff and they were wasting their time and it was doing a great grave disservice for the country.”

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3pm4w/ivanka-trump-2020-election-lies-capitol-riot

[ExpandMyMind]

So I was going to make a post detailing all the ways in which Trump tried to overturn the election, but then came across this post from someone on Reddit.

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Recap of what we know so far regarding Trump’s efforts to overturn the election:

-Trump tried to extort the country of Ukraine for political dirt on Biden. He was impeached over it.
-He tried to weaponize COVID-19 politically by waging a war on mail-in ballots, which he knew would favor Democrats.
-Him and DeJoy tried to manipulate the USPS.
-Systematically and intentionally promoted The Big Lie that the election was stolen, which tens of millions of people have come to believe.
-Tried to get electors to illegally cast their votes.
-Him, his lawyers, and allies filed 60+ ridiculous lawsuits for lower courts to overturn the election (with zero evidence), oftentimes not even arguing there was fraud in court, yet claiming it in public.
-Supported an absolutely absurd case for SCOTUS to overturn the election (with zero evidence).
-Summoned Michigan GOP members to attempt to subvert election results.
-He undoubtedly provoked his AG’s resignation a few weeks after the election, who soon-before felt compelled to announce there was “No widespread fraud.”
-Attended a meeting which floated martial law.
-Told election officials to “stop counting”
-Suggested the military should force states to rehold elections.
-Tried to get the VP to illegally name him President.
-Called the PA Speaker of the House in an attempt to overturn the results.
-Pressured Governor Brian Kemp to push the state legislature to overturn the election.
-Threatened the GA Secretary of State with legal consequences if he did not find enough votes to overturn the election.
-Tried to get an insane conspiracy theorist to lead a special counsel.
-Defied and fired his own election security officials.
-Purged key Pentagon positions after the election.
-Ordered the Pentagon to stop working with Biden’s transition team
-Had a draft declaration which instructed the military to seize ballots.
-Directly told the DOJ to lie about the election. “Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen”
-Pressured the DOJ to file a lawsuit to SCOTUS to nullify the election.
-Plotted the logistics of overturning the election via powerpoint with WH staff.
-Plotted the logistics of overturning the election with his lawyer, John Eastman. A federal judge, after seeing the evidence, has now suggested multiple times both Trump and Eastman’s efforts “more likely than not” constitute felonies.
-Incited a violent insurrection on U.S. Capitol to stop the certification of Joe Biden.

Link to post that has links to sources:

It’s undeniable at this point. Trump tried to carry out a coup in the US. 

[itsnotoutthere]

So, the campaign to stop Trump winning the next presidency has begun then.

[ExpandMyMind]

18 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

So, the campaign to stop Trump winning the next presidency has begun then.

I take it you’ve looked at the evidence then?

[ExpandMyMind]

“Multiple members of Congress were seeking pardons for their role in attempting to overturn the election”.

You don’t seek pardons when you haven’t done something illegal.

Edited June 10, 2022 by ExpandMyMind

[ExpandMyMind]

300 Proud Boy members left the rally before Trump even started speaking, making their way to the Capitol to prepare for the insurrection.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

39 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

300 Proud Boy members left the rally before Trump even started speaking, making their way to the Capitol to prepare for the insurrection.

MY DOG!!

Trump’s supporters are psychic as wel!!!

[Tiggs]

1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

MY DOG!!

Trump’s supporters are psychic as wel!!!

My favorites are the ones that turned up in the "MAGA: Civil War" shirts with the Jan 6th date on them.

They had merch, my dude. That's how pre-planned stuff kicking off on the 6th was.

[Autochthon1990]

2 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

So, the campaign to stop Trump winning the next presidency has begun then.

Well felony convictions DO preclude that, yes. But that's more incidental. 

[ExpandMyMind]

59 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

MY DOG!!

Trump’s supporters are psychic as wel!!!

That’s one of the things that makes it really obvious that this was organised and coordinated. At this point, Trump supporters who deny what happened on Jan 6 are basically just emus.

They don’t want to believe it and so just choose to ignore anything that could confirm what some people have been saying since Jan 6, but also what many of us predicted long before the election.

[spartan max2]

3 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

So, the campaign to stop Trump winning the next presidency has begun then.

No one can force you to take the time to listen to the evidence. 

I'm sure all the hearing will be on YouTube as well. So feel free to listen to it 

It's clear Trump attempted a coup. And we are fortunate enough people in the government were not willing to go along with him.

[Autochthon1990]

1 hour ago, ExpandMyMind said:

That’s one of the things that makes it really obvious that this was organised and coordinated. At this point, Trump supporters who deny what happened on Jan 6 are basically just emus.

They don’t want to believe it and so just choose to ignore anything that could confirm what some people have been saying since Jan 6, but also what many of us predicted long before the election.

Yeah it's the same thing they do with slavery, nazis, racism, yknow anything that's even remotely unpleasant the right wing has been involved in over history. If they actually had to own all the **** they've historically been responsible for, their entire platform would collapse because so much of it is utterly indefensible. You can't really come back from backing segregation, screaming at black girls going to school, stuff like the German American Bund, and so on. So how do you deal with that and not discard your blatantly awful ideology? Simple, blame it all on someone else so you don't have to admit your side had anything to do with it. 

 

Problem is, this is the era of the internet, we can look this **** up and the whole 'the civil war was about states rights' thing for an example doesn't work when you can google the Confederate President's inauguration address involving 'the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man'

[el midgetron]

No just it’s the same conspiracy theory that we have been hearing for 5 years. The promoters of this theory just shift the goal posts and pen new twists as old one are proven false. The Russian collusion lie was just reformatted to exploit J6. Both are conspiracy theories about Trump “ending democracy”, Both are dependent on complex frame work of connected dots that unfortunately lack the critical connections. Its literally just a smear campaign paid for with our tax dollars. 
 

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FBI arrests Michigan gubernatorial candidate on charges related to involvement in January 6 riot

(CNN)GOP Michigan gubernatorial candidate Ryan Kelley was arrested Thursday morning on misdemeanor charges related to his involvement in the Capitol riot on January 6, 2021, according to the Justice Department.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/09/politics/fbi-arrest-michigan-gubernatorial-candidate-ryan-kelley/index.html

So, the FBI is in the business of investigating misdemeanors? 

 

[spartan max2]

2 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

No just it’s the same conspiracy theory that we have been hearing for 5 years. The promoters of this theory just shift the goal posts and pen new twists as old one are proven false. The Russian collusion lie was just reformatted to exploit J6. Both are conspiracy theories about Trump “ending democracy”, Both are dependent on complex frame work of connected dots that unfortunately lack the critical connections. Its literally just a smear campaign paid for with our tax dollars. 
 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/09/politics/fbi-arrest-michigan-gubernatorial-candidate-ryan-kelley/index.html

So, the FBI is in the business of investigating misdemeanors? 

 

You can't gaslight people when we saw the entire thing play out.

Trump tried to overturn the democratic election. He tried to pressure multiple branches of government to claim it was fraud, such as the justice department, and then tried to replace those people when they wouldn't.

He tried to have the vice president do things that are unconstitutional. And he happily sat there while his supporters stormed the capital, not doing anything to call them off.

That is all corrupt and a problem. And you should be concerned about it.

But you and others aren't because the guy who did it happens to say he wants low taxes and thinks our border needs a wall.

[el midgetron]

12 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

You can't gaslight people when we saw the entire thing play out.

Trump tried to overturn the democratic election. He tried to pressure multiple branches of government to claim it was fraud, such as the justice department, and then tried to replace those people when they wouldn't.

He tried to have the vice president do things that are unconstitutional. And he happily sat there while his supporters stormed the capital, not doing anything to call them off.

That is all corrupt and a problem. And you should be concerned about it.

But you and others aren't because the guy who did it happens to say he wants low taxes and thinks our border needs a wall.

No “we” aren’t concerned about it because the same politicians and media figures promoting this said the same things about the Russian collusion hoax and they have also made false accusations against myself and those others. It’s one thing to give objective consideration to accusations about someone else (which I did when the Russia allegations first were made) but it’s entirely something else to be accused of something yourself that you know you are not guilty of. If someone accused you of being a deplorable racist Nazi, would that lend credence to other claims they make? We aren’t concerned about this because we are aware of the dishonest track record the peddlers of these yarns have. 
 

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/daryl-cooper-why-trump-supporters-are-p***ed-and-dont-trust-anything

[spartan max2]

4 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

No “we” aren’t concerned about it because the same politicians and media figures promoting this said the same things about the Russian collusion hoax and they have also made false accusations against myself and those others. It’s one thing to give objective consideration to accusations about someone else (which I did when the Russia allegations first were made) but it’s entirely something else to be accused of something yourself that you know you are not guilty of. If someone accused you of being a deplorable racist Nazi, would that lend credence to other claims they make? We aren’t concerned about this because we are aware of the dishonest track record the peddlers of these yarns have. 
 

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/daryl-cooper-why-trump-supporters-are-p***ed-and-dont-trust-anything

So what are you denying? That Trump pressed the department of justice to call the election fraud? That Trump then tried to replace that department of justice ? That Trump pressed the vice president to overturn the election? That Trump contacted officials in Georgia telling them to overturn the election? That Trump didn't call off his supporters who were storming the capital despite many calls to him telling him to do that and that? it was Mike pence coordinating the defense 

We have evidence for all these things.

It was a failed coup because other Republicans and conservatives had the integrity that Trump and company did not.

Edited June 10, 2022 by spartan max2

[spartan max2]

A judge now ruled that we can see 159 emails from Trump's lawyers. Showing them pushing states to send "alternate electors" and showing how they avoided the courts because they knew they would loose a actual legal battle

 

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By "binds", Carter meant that a court could say unequivocally that Pence was not able to reject states' election results at the January 6 hearing, which is exactly what Trump and his allies hoped Pence would be able to do.

 

"Because the attorney concluded that a negative court ruling would 'tank the January 6 strategy, [the attorney] encouraged the legal team to avoid the courts.

 

"This email cemented the direction of the January 6 plan. The Trump legal team chose not to seek recourse in court—instead, they forged ahead with a political campaign to disrupt the electoral count.

 

"Lawyers are free not to bring cases; they are not free to evade judicial review to overturn a democratic election."

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-lawyers-schemed-on-january-6-strategy-rather-filing-suit-2022-6

Edited June 10, 2022 by spartan max2

[el midgetron]

1 hour ago, spartan max2 said:

So what are you denying? That Trump pressed the department of justice to call the election fraud? That Trump then tried to replace that department of justice ? That Trump pressed the vice president to overturn the election? That Trump contacted officials in Georgia telling them to overturn the election? That Trump didn't call off his supporters who were storming the capital despite many calls to him telling him to do that and that? it was Mike pence coordinating the defense 

We have evidence for all these things.

It was a failed coup because other Republicans and conservatives had the integrity that Trump and company did not.

So, Trump tired to do something that he didn’t end up doing and connecting the dots to a bunch of other things he didn’t end up doing it we get the conspiracy theory that he was trying to end Democracy? No one has ever accused Trump of being a Constitutional lawyer. 

He tried to stop the results what he believed was an stolen election. As far as I’m aware everything he did was legal. The things “tired” or thought he could to do were stopped by people more astute to the working of government than Trump. 

It’s literally the same thing I listened to about the Russian Collusion Hoax for 2 years, Trump has a “connection” to a Russian Bank, don Jr met with some random Russian lady, there’s a pee pee tape, yadda yadda yadda.. Trump was most certainly guilty, going to jail and many argued he should even be executed. 

It’s not lost on a lot of people that these leaps of faith and false narratives are always slanted to one political side.