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12 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I've seen the very same idiots, but worshipping at Biden, and Hillary Clinton, instead. Many of the "woke" dont think, but are puppets spreading anger and hate in the name of tolerance and justice. 

We all must simply acknowledge that there are going to be fanatics among the other philosophy. You can't kill/remove the idiots, just because they are idiots. Saddly...

I had no idea about biden and clinton the subject of this thread the hearings about the 6th and did trump overstep ( of course he did ) i didnt know they were also looking into what biden and clinton did on the 6th thanks for the clue in.

But sure they are all clowns and crooks, well biden has mostly been asleep.

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11 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

Most people think Trump is a cult? 

 

Trump is a populist leader, every populist movement has some commonalities. There are certainly elements of a charismatic leader in any populism movement, which is a key component in any cult. But a charismatic leader is just the first of many many steps before populism becomes a cult and saying that there's a charismatic leader doesn't automatically make it a cult!  

The following video is a very well thought out discussion on the issue, if you're interested in the topic :tu: edit: there's a really interesting discussion in the second half of the video about characteristics of people who are attracted to populist movements. Suffice it to say I recognised myself in a lot of it (even the negative stuff, I'm sad to say). 

 

Trump has been compared to a kult leader by many people look it up.

cult of lack of personality

 

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WASHINGTON — A jury on Friday found former Donald Trump adviser Steve Bannon guilty on two counts of contempt of Congress for blowing off the Jan. 6 select committee.

Bannon's sentencing is scheduled for Oct. 21 when he will face a mandatory minimum prison sentence of 30 days and up to one year behind bars. He could also be fined $100 to $100,000. He is expected to appeal.

Source: NBC

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22 minutes ago, Tiggs said:

WASHINGTON — A jury on Friday found former Donald Trump adviser Steve Bannon guilty on two counts of contempt of Congress for blowing off the Jan. 6 select committee.

Bannon's sentencing is scheduled for Oct. 21 when he will face a mandatory minimum prison sentence of 30 days and up to one year behind bars. He could also be fined $100 to $100,000. He is expected to appeal.

Source: NBC

I still dont think they will lock up people like him or trump but who knows ill wait and see.

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52 minutes ago, the13bats said:

I still dont think they will lock up people like him or trump but who knows ill wait and see.

Manaford and Roger Stone were both doing jail time before they got their pardons.  Bannon got pardoned for his last crime before the trial so he served no time but Kolfage and Badolato are looking at time for the border wall fraud.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56004916
 

    This great timeline shows that trump did not quit talking ,and leave the rally, until the riot was well underway!   ..he knew dam well that the secret service would not ,then, allow him to go to the capitol while rioters ,some armed, were breaching security.   By not going..he knew he could play innocent ..of the violence!  And by making a fuss ..he could tell his followers  that he tried to go there.     Whereas, if he would have led the mob he knew dam well …that would be an obvious admission of RESPONSIBILITY.      I love the outtakes of the 5 minute  (which took over an hour to film)  “go home” speech ..in which he says.  “The election is over” and congress has certified the election results.  .. and then says he doesn’t want to say the election is over..”I’ll just say  congress has certified the election….ok?”

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1 hour ago, lightly said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56004916
 

    This great timeline shows that trump did not quit talking ,and leave the rally, until the riot was well underway!   ..he knew dam well that the secret service would not ,then, allow him to go to the capitol while rioters ,some armed, were breaching security.   By not going..he knew he could play innocent ..of the violence!  And by making a fuss ..he could tell his followers  that he tried to go there.     Whereas, if he would have led the mob he knew dam well …that would be an obvious admission of RESPONSIBILITY.      I love the outtakes of the 5 minute  (which took over an hour to film)  “go home” speech ..in which he says.  “The election is over” and congress has certified the election results.  .. and then says he doesn’t want to say the election is over..”I’ll just say  congress has certified the election….ok?”

Its really going to boil down to is there a broken law they can and will charge him with, it would seem im mistaken that they dont lock up people like trump they do and he just might get a bit of time in club fed over this, we will see.

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15 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

Most people think Trump is a cult? 

Almost right … try that with a “n” instead….

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2 hours ago, lightly said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56004916
 

    This great timeline shows that trump did not quit talking ,and leave the rally, until the riot was well underway!   ..he knew dam well that the secret service would not ,then, allow him to go to the capitol while rioters ,some armed, were breaching security.   By not going..he knew he could play innocent ..of the violence!  And by making a fuss ..he could tell his followers  that he tried to go there.     Whereas, if he would have led the mob he knew dam well …that would be an obvious admission of RESPONSIBILITY.      I love the outtakes of the 5 minute  (which took over an hour to film)  “go home” speech ..in which he says.  “The election is over” and congress has certified the election results.  .. and then says he doesn’t want to say the election is over..”I’ll just say  congress has certified the election….ok?”

Just stop smh. The man went on national TV and told everyone to go home, that this was wrong. You have nothing. They know they have nothing. Hense the show instead of an arrest. 

And so what about what he believed, or expresed about the election? It isnt a crime, yet, to call out elected democrats for the corrupted scum they are. 

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4 hours ago, the13bats said:

Trump has been compared to a kult leader by many people look it up.

cult of lack of personality

 

The semantic difference between "many" and "most" is huge.  Had you written "many" in your last post like you did in this one,  I wouldn't have commented as there is nothing controversial in it. "Most" requires at least 51% of everyone who has an opinion of Trump to believe that he is a cult leader,  not just unlikable  or rude or selfish or any other adjective that one may choose to label him. 

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Yeah, I still think they will do nothing to Trump.

I was reading about the New York case and how it's falling apart simply because the exact phrases and writing involved makes determining clear intent problematic. 

Same here, I'd think, determining a clear intent might prevent actual charges. Just like with HRC and the server. If clear intent isn't established the high and powerful will always walk away clean.

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12 hours ago, Tiggs said:

WASHINGTON — A jury on Friday found former Donald Trump adviser Steve Bannon guilty on two counts of contempt of Congress for blowing off the Jan. 6 select committee.

Bannon's sentencing is scheduled for Oct. 21 when he will face a mandatory minimum prison sentence of 30 days and up to one year behind bars. He could also be fined $100 to $100,000. He is expected to appeal.

Source: NBC

He'll appeal, and if found guilty, doubtless will be fined the max 100k, but given the minimum 30 days.

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15 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Yeah, I still think they will do nothing to Trump.

I was reading about the New York case and how it's falling apart simply because the exact phrases and writing involved makes determining clear intent problematic. 

Same here, I'd think, determining a clear intent might prevent actual charges. Just like with HRC and the server. If clear intent isn't established the high and powerful will always walk away clean.

Yeah, cases tried in the court of public opinion rarely pass muster in a real court of law. "Why, everyone knows" isn't a legal precedent. 

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9 hours ago, the13bats said:

Its really going to boil down to is there a broken law they can and will charge him with, it would seem im mistaken that they dont lock up people like trump they do and he just might get a bit of time in club fed over this, we will see.

What law?

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9 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Yeah, cases tried in the court of public opinion rarely pass muster in a real court of law. "Why, everyone knows" isn't a legal precedent. 

Agreed.

"Feeling" that he's a criminal isnt actually evidence. Wanting him to be convicted isn't either.

 

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58 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Agreed.

"Feeling" that he's a criminal isnt actually evidence. Wanting him to be convicted isn't either.

 

Most people don't understand how not doing something isn't usually a crime. You can stand and watch a man drown, doing nothing about it and not be charged. 

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6 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Most people don't understand how not doing something isn't usually a crime. You can stand and watch a man drown, doing nothing about it and not be charged. 

Weird, people have said the exact opposite about the border wall.  How every murder, rape or drug event by an immigrant was the fault of whoever didn't build it.

But America is weird after all. We have laws that place blame for a death as a murder that happens during the commission of a crime- like that guy who is getting charged for murder because the prison guard he ran off with shot commited suicide while they were on the run. Escaped Inmate Charged with Murder of Prison Guard Who Aided Escape | PEOPLE.com

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8 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Most people don't understand how not doing something isn't usually a crime. You can stand and watch a man drown, doing nothing about it and not be charged. 

Most people do understand the difference between a bystander and a person responsible to take action.    Spectators may gather to watch a burning building, but if the firemen stand with them doing nothing but watching, we began to wonder why we pay them.  If the Commander -in-Chief watches his nation's capital being assaulted  and his Vice President put in jeopardy of his life  we began to question.  If the Vice President takes command and calls the Army, National Guard, and mobilizes other authorities while the President sits doing nothing, we begin to wonder if he is incompetent of evil.  

During that 3 hours, no photographs were allowed, White House Logs are blank, Secret Service deleted their text messages.  Going dark in time of crisis is not a sign of competence or good intention. 

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4 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Weird, people have said the exact opposite about the border wall.  How every murder, rape or drug event by an immigrant was the fault of whoever didn't build it.

But America is weird after all. We have laws that place blame for a death as a murder that happens during the commission of a crime- like that guy who is getting charged for murder because the prison guard he ran off with shot commited suicide while they were on the run. Escaped Inmate Charged with Murder of Prison Guard Who Aided Escape | PEOPLE.com

We have something called due process here. 

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2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Most people do understand the difference between a bystander and a person responsible to take action.    Spectators may gather to watch a burning building, but if the firemen stand with them doing nothing but watching, we began to wonder why we pay them.  If the Commander -in-Chief watches his nation's capital being assaulted  and his Vice President put in jeopardy of his life  we began to question.  If the Vice President takes command and calls the Army, National Guard, and mobilizes other authorities while the President sits doing nothing, we begin to wonder if he is incompetent of evil.  

During that 3 hours, no photographs were allowed, White House Logs are blank, Secret Service deleted their text messages.  Going dark in time of crisis is not a sign of competence or good intention. 

Yes, but of if moral malfeasance was a crime, Bill Clinton would have been successfully impeached. The Democrats, repeatedly lowering the bar for their own, make that a tough sell.

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21 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

The Democrats, repeatedly lowering the bar for their own, make that a tough sell.

I believe Newt Gingrich was a major player in the Clinton impeachment,  I don't think he has ever been a Democrat.   Bill Clinton got a BJ.  As far as I know, he did not want to overthrow the government.  Donald Trump is not being prosecuted for getting it on with a porn star while Melania was pregnant.  Should there have been yet a third Trump impeachment just to keep things equal?

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25 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

We have something called due process here. 

True that.  Doesn't stop people from saying the things they say though.  <Looks over at the Lee Zeldin thread>

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4 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

I believe Newt Gingrich was a major player in the Clinton impeachment,  I don't think he has ever been a Democrat.   Bill Clinton got a BJ.  As far as I know, he did not want to overthrow the government.  Donald Trump is not being prosecuted for getting it on with a porn star while Melania was pregnant.  Should there have been yet a third Trump impeachment just to keep things equal?

I does seem like the bar for impeachment has been raised higher...  or maybe the standards for politicians have been dropped lower?

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8 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

I believe Newt Gingrich was a major player in the Clinton impeachment,  I don't think he has ever been a Democrat.   Bill Clinton got a BJ.  As far as I know, he did not want to overthrow the government.  Donald Trump is not being prosecuted for getting it on with a porn star while Melania was pregnant.  Should there have been yet a third Trump impeachment just to keep things equal?

That's what this is, in every way but name and like the real impeachments, about to collapse under the weight of its own inadequacies. 

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