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Proof of God (Gnosticism = Knowledge is Power)


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And once again there is a claim that those who have eyes cannot see that the teachings of Jesus sitting there in black and white don't speak entirely for themselves and evidence by themselves that they come from God. And that the teachings and the recital of His life are certainly spiritually true.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Will Due said:

The religion of Jesus superseded Judaism. That's a fact.

No, it didn’t and no it isn’t. As a 1st century Jew he’d likely consider you a heretic for bastardizing his beliefs. You speak more as a Pauline Christian than anything Jesus would likely have taught IMO. 
 

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The Jews worshiped the creator of the universe. But when He appeared amongst them, they rejected him and the religion he taught that would have elevated the comprehension of God to new and higher levels for all. Fragments of this new religion, fragments of his teachings ended up hidden anyways amongst the personal religion of Paul and his associates, which became Christianity. And under these circumstances, the religion of the Jews was superseded losing their place as ambassadors of the God they worshiped. Even under these circumstances, the religion of Jesus still ended up displacing Judaism. And that's a fact.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Will Due said:

 

The Jews worshiped the creator of the universe. But when He appeared amongst them, they rejected him and the religion he taught that would have elevated the comprehension of God to new and higher levels. Fragments of this religion, fragment of his teachings ended up hidden amongst the personal religion of Paul and his associates. Even under these circumstances, the religion of the Jews was superseded losing their place as ambassadors of the God they worshiped who created the universe. Even under these circumstances, the religion of Jesus superseded Judaism. And that's a fact.

 

 

What a load of made up crap. The Jews worshipped Yahweh. The God of 1st century Israel and therefore Jesus was Yahweh, same God. There is ZERO contemporary textual evidence to Jesus’ lifetime that he ever tried to present himself as anything other than a man. EVERYTHING stating differently was done by Paul and associates. You have a non-argument. 
 

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And now we have the repetitive claim once more that Jesus was the son of Yahweh instead of the Father in heaven. The problem with those kinds of claims Is that the black and white essence of the spiritual significance of what was recorded in the Bible is easy to recognize as well as recognizing the ridiculous nature of these kinds of scholarly claims. The common people see right through this while the so-called educated squirm about and struggle as if drowning in quicksand.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Will Due said:

And now we have the repetitive claim once more that Jesus was the son of Yahweh instead of the Father in heaven. The problem with those kinds of claims Is that the black and white essence of the spiritual significance of what was recorded in the Bible about the truth of Jesus is easy to recognize as well as recognizing the ridiculous nature of these kinds of scholarly claims. The common people see right through this while the so-called educated squirm about and struggle as if in quicksand.

Thanks for admitting you don’t know diddly-squat about Judaism or Christianity. Maybe you should have had a better preacher. 
 

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And once again the frustrated and confused chime in with their talent, all wrapped up nicely in a napkin.

 

 

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Just now, Will Due said:

And once again the uncommitted chime in with their talent wrapped up nicely in a napkin.

Because the committed belong in an institution. It’s sad that Jesus being God is NOTHING Jesus actually said but what Paul and associates wrote and you bought it hook, line and sinker. Yep, you’re a Pauline Christian crapping all over Jesus the man. Go figure. 
 

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What a sad situation. Somebody who claims to know things about Judaism and Christianity is stating that Jesus is only what Paul said he is. Everyone knows that that isn't true. Paul isn't the only source of information about who Jesus is as recorded in the Bible. If you supposedly know things about Christianity what a foolish thing to say that everything that's stated in the Bible about Jesus was put there by Paul. 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

What a sad situation. Somebody who claims to know things about Judaism and Christianity is stating that Jesus is only what Paul said he is. Everyone knows that that isn't true. Paul isn't the only source of information about who Jesus is as recorded in the Bible. What a foolish thing to say that everything that's stated in the Bible about Jesus was put there by Paul. Keep it up. 

 

 

What part of “and associates”, which in this case means EVERYONE writing about Jesus after his death while never knowing him, DON’T you understand. That’s ALL you have to reference as nothing contemporary exists.  
 

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The main thing to use as a reference is the talent everyone is given to see with. That is if you don't hide it in the earth somewhere.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Will Due said:

The main thing to use as a reference is the talent everyone is given to see with. That is if you don't hide it in the earth somewhere.

Which amounts to your imagination and not fact. At least now we know you’re into fairytales and nothing resembling the truth. 
 

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It becomes obvious when somebody has hidden their talent in the earth somewhere that their ability to see what most people easily see as spiritually significant is left to them only as a merry-go-round of continuing missed opportunity.

 

 

 

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There are three ways to know God exists:

1. By the intelligence, rational faculty, and reasoning process of man.

2. By reading the Bible for Christians and Orthodox Jews, and the Koran for Muslims.

3. By meditation

 

I know God exists by my intelligence, rational faculty, and reasoning process.

I notice that Cormac and Will are disputing the existence of God by reading the Bible.

Suppose you Cormac and you Will take up your intelligence, rational faculty, and reasoning process: to determine the existence of God, instead of belaboring the Bible.

 

How to find God by our intelligence, rational faculty, and reasoning process:

1. We consider that there is always existence, and it is never ever going to become extinct i.e. non-existence.

2. We observe that there are things and entities in existence which have a beginning and an ending - they are transient, not permanent, for example we humans: we get born and survive but little by little our body becomes weaker and weaker until finally we die.

3. The existence of transient things and entities implicates the existence of an entity that is permanent, self-existent, and is the creator ad operator of man and the universe and everything transient, and we call Him God.

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1 hour ago, cormac mac airt said:

No, it didn’t and no it isn’t. As a 1st century Jew he’d likely consider you a heretic for bastardizing his beliefs. You speak more as a Pauline Christian than anything Jesus would likely have taught IMO. 
 

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This is my conclusion too. Will is a Pauline Christian because we have no evidence of the man Jesus being anything other than a human who was a Jewish preacher, crucified etc. yet, in fact, we have no idea what he taught, believed, or thought. 
 

 

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It's pretty hilarious that there are some who keep it up, that knowing what Jesus taught and did, the Creator of the universe, isn't possible to really know. 

"Here Lord, here is what you gave me, unused, safely wrapped in a napkin."

Actually, it's very sad.

 

 

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And it's also interesting that those with their unused napkins go about it, fear mongering, that if you decide to initiate faith, you're some kind of loser.

 

 

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"They stand at the gates of heaven and fight all who try to enter."

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

And it's also interesting that those with their unused napkins go about it, fear mongering, that if you decide to initiate faith, you're some kind of loser.

 

 

Not to me Will, I accept that all things Jesus can only be done so on faith and if this serves you personally. G?d speed. Each to their own.

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And then after claiming that all things Jesus can only be done so on faith they immediately go to work to keep anyone from initiating that very faith by fear mongering them to their wits end.

You see it here everyday. 

 

 

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And then after claiming that all things Jesus can only be done so on faith they immediately go to work to keep anyone from initiating that very faith by fear mongering them to their wits end.

You see it here everyday. 

 

 

Fear mongering? I don’t follow. Please clarify. 

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Then they claim they don't know what their fear-mongering is. Yet everyone sees it here everyday. 

"Here is your talent you gave me that I buried in the ground."

 

 

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Then they claim they don't know what their fear-mongering is. Yet everyone sees it here everyday. 

"Here is your talent you gave me that I buried in the ground."

 

 

Will, you are not making any sense are you doing okay?

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What's next? Comes the pretense parade of feigning a lack of understanding and concern for a person's well being. All in an attempt to belittle a person's faith and to keep anyone else who may be entertaining the idea of initiating it from doing so.

Out in the open as if people don't have eyes to see with.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Will Due said:

And then after claiming that all things Jesus can only be done so on faith they immediately go to work to keep anyone from initiating that very faith by fear mongering them to their wits end.

You see it here everyday. 

What, are you so afraid of the truth? It’s not faith if you’re promoting a lie and since what is written in the Bible has everything to do with Pauline Christianity and little to nothing to do with Jesus’ actual life then that’s EXACTLY what you’re doing. At least have the guts to admit your hypocrisy. 
 

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