Real ancient mysteries (not Atlantis) that we need to discuss!

[jethrofloyd]

14 minutes ago, Piney said:

Somewhere around Alexandria, maybe Siwa but it was destroyed and one theory said his honey soaked body might of been stolen by  Venetian merchants thinking it was St. Marks and taken to Venice.

This article/news is from October 16, 2021. I'm not sure if it was noted here at the UM.

Egyptian Officials Claim They’ve Found Alexander the Great’s Tomb

An Egyptian official has claimed that he has evidence that Alexander the Great’s tomb is in Siwa, Egypt, the Egypt Independent reported on Friday.

The report says that Mohamed Omran, the director of Siwa’s Tourism Department, “announced evidence suggesting the potential discovery of the tomb of alexander the Great might be in the Marai area.”

https://greekreporter.com/2021/10/16/alexander-the-great-tomb/

*(I don't know how much truth there is in this article).

[Alchopwn]

On 6/23/2022 at 11:00 AM, Hanslune said:

1. What happened to the Vandino and Ugolino Vivaldi? They left Genoa in May 1291 with the purpose of going to India by way of the Atlantic 'Ocean sea', and vowed to bring back useful things for trade - but instead disappeared.

Don't worry, they're living in Florida.

On 6/23/2022 at 11:00 AM, Hanslune said:

2. Did the Polynesians reach and start a colony on the north coast of Australia?

 No, but many New Zealanders moved to New South Wales.

On 6/23/2022 at 11:00 AM, Hanslune said:

3. What caused medieval dance plague in Strasbourg, 1518?

Tainted sausages.

On 6/23/2022 at 11:00 AM, Hanslune said:

What is the eye of the Sahara - how did it come about?

The answer to both questions is obviously Nyarlathotep.

On 6/23/2022 at 11:00 AM, Hanslune said:

What was the actual war or conflict that gave rise to the epic poem that we came to know as the Iliad?

 It was originally about a Greek guy who had his goat stolen by an Anatolian. It caused a village-wide punch up until everyone screamed themselves hoarse.

On 6/23/2022 at 11:00 AM, Hanslune said:

What was the nature and demise of the Norte Chico/Caral Supe Advanced Culture or was it a civilization?

Poor b*st*rds didn't even have a pot to shi# in.

[Thanos5150]

7 hours ago, Kenemet said:

 It's not exactly a deserted area.  During Medieval times it had a wetter "climate and had a number of large cities that were visited by Europeans and people of North Africa.  (I debated with someone who kept insisting every blob they saw on Google Earth was a "monument" or "megalith" or "unexplained structure" left over from Atlantis.

More interesting:

"The Guelb er-Richât in the Mauritanian Adrar and, more particularly, the depression of its external ring are the sites of rather exceptional accumulations of Acheulean industries...." 

Meaning this area was heavily occupied by a previous species of human, Erectus we would assume, somewhere between 1,700,000-130,000 years ago. 

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The "walls" are actually not that tall, and (as I read in one travelogue) it's actually possible to drive through it and not realize you were there (because the rock isn't that high.)  It's dangerous primarily because of border tensions and it's a hostile environment.  However, there have been digs around there and you can find a number of cities that are a thousand years old or so.  

I am not sure what the point is that today the walls are "not that tall". This is a heavily eroded geological dome at least 90m years old and has been subjected to large amounts of sedimentation and erosion not the least of which 15,000-8,000 years ago leaving deposits some 10-13ft thick just during this period alone. Going back in time by the century this site becomes much different that it is today which its walls grow increasingly higher. 

[Hanslune]

7 hours ago, jethrofloyd said:

This article/news is from October 16, 2021. I'm not sure if it was noted here at the UM.

Egyptian Officials Claim They’ve Found Alexander the Great’s Tomb

An Egyptian official has claimed that he has evidence that Alexander the Great’s tomb is in Siwa, Egypt, the Egypt Independent reported on Friday.

The report says that Mohamed Omran, the director of Siwa’s Tourism Department, “announced evidence suggesting the potential discovery of the tomb of alexander the Great might be in the Marai area.”

https://greekreporter.com/2021/10/16/alexander-the-great-tomb/

*(I don't know how much truth there is in this article).

Yeah, the Roman's seemed to think the tomb was in Alexandria and Suetonis relates that Caligula stole Alexander's breat plate and wore it.

https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/Augustus*.html#18https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/Augustus*.html#18

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/Caligula*.html

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(speaking about Caligula) In his clothing, his shoes, and the rest of his attire he did not follow the usage of his country and his fellow-citizens; not always even that of his sex; or in fact, that of an ordinary mortal. He often appeared in public in embroidered cloaks covered with precious stones, with a long-sleeved tunic and bracelets; sometimes in silk89 and in a woman's robe;90 now in slippers or buskins, again in boots, such as the emperor's body-guard wear, and at times in the low shoes which are used by females. But oftentimes he exhibited himself with a golden beard, holding in his hand a thunderbolt, a trident, or a caduceus, emblems of the gods, and even in the garb of Venus. He frequently wore the dress of a triumphing general, even before his campaign, and sometimes the breastplate of Alexander the Great, which he had taken from his sarcophagus.

(Caligula was in Alexandria at this time) About this time he had the sarcophagus and body of Alexander the Great brought forth from its shrine,15 and after gazing on it, showed his respect by placing upon it a golden crown and strewing it with flowers; and being then asked whether he wished to see the tomb of the Ptolemies as well, he replied, "My wish was to see a king, not corpses." 2 He reduced Egypt to the form of a province, and then to make it more fruitful and better adapted to supply the city with grain, he set his soldiers at work cleaning out all the canals into which the Nile overflows, which in the course of many years had become choked with mud. To extend the fame of his victory at Actium and perpetuate his memory, he founded a city called Nicopolis near Actium, and provided for the celebration of games there every five years; enlarged the ancient temple of Apollo; and after adorning the site of the camp which he had occupied with naval trophies, consecrated it to Neptune and Mars.

I'm not sure why the Roman's would have thought that. I would suspect that if anything is found at Siwa it could be that his tomb was moved there or more probably it is an altar or temple to him and not a tomb.

 

[jethrofloyd]

1 hour ago, Hanslune said:

I'm not sure why the Roman's would have thought that. I would suspect that if anything is found at Siwa it could be that his tomb was moved there or more probably it is an altar or temple to him and not a tomb.

A temple of the god Amun (Amun-Ra) - established some time around the 7th and 8th centuries BCE - in Siwa, was an object of deep fascination among Greek and Persian rulers. Including Alexander the Great and Cambyses. Perhaps it was Alexander the Great's last wish to be buried in Siwa? Or at least, he maybe asked Romans to move his sarcophagus to Siwa after some time.

[Hanslune]

37 minutes ago, jethrofloyd said:

A temple of the god Amun (Amun-Ra) - established some time around the 7th and 8th centuries BCE - in Siwa, was an object of deep fascination among Greek and Persian rulers. Including Alexander the Great and Cambyses. Perhaps it was Alexander the Great's last wish to be buried in Siwa? Or at least, he maybe asked Romans to move his sarcophagus to Siwa after some time.

Someone might have thought to do that, to send him to Siwa I believe he had gone there when he conquered the Persian province of Egypt. He had been dead quite some time (3 centuries or so) before the Roman's showed up in force in Egypt.

[jethrofloyd]

1 hour ago, Hanslune said:

 He had been dead quite some time (3 centuries or so) before the Roman's showed up in force in Egypt.

Yes, of course.

It is hard to say what really happened to his mottal remains. Without anything concrete, written down. Who knows, maybe someone took his body back to his native Pella (Macedonia, Greece) and 'secretly' buried him there.

[Hanslune]

1 hour ago, jethrofloyd said:

Yes, of course.

It is hard to say what really happened to his mottal remains. Without anything concrete, written down. Who knows, maybe someone took his body back to his native Pella (Macedonia, Greece) and 'secretly' buried him there.

That is certainly possibly, well LOTS of thing in regards to his body are possible. We recovered his fathers grave so if we ever find a sparse corpse wandering about we might be able to determine if it was him.

Link to that tomb and study but cannot find one not behind a pay wall: New Finds from the Cremains in Tomb II at Aegae Point to Philip II and a Scythian Princess. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/oa.2459

[cormac mac airt]

13 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

That is certainly possibly, well LOTS of thing in regards to his body are possible. We recovered his fathers grave so if we ever find a sparse corpse wandering about we might be able to determine if it was him.

Link to that tomb and study but cannot find one not behind a pay wall: New Finds from the Cremains in Tomb II at Aegae Point to Philip II and a Scythian Princess. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/oa.2459

https://www.academia.edu/31611743/New_Finds_from_the_Cremains_in_Tomb_II_at_Aegae_Point_to_Philip_II_and_a_Scythian_Princess_2015_International_Journal_of_Osteoarchaeology

cormac

[jethrofloyd]

*  Is the Piri Reis map from 1513, which shows Antarctica among other things. real or fake?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map

 

[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, jethrofloyd said:

*  Is the Piri Reis map from 1513, which shows Antarctica among other things. real or fake?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map

 

The map is real, but it doesn't show Antarctica.

[cormac mac airt]

2 hours ago, jethrofloyd said:

*  Is the Piri Reis map from 1513, which shows Antarctica among other things. real or fake?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map

 

That’s southern South America bent around the curve of the map piece and NOT Antarctica. 
 

cormac

[Abramelin]

17 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

That’s southern South America bent around the curve of the map piece and NOT Antarctica. 
 

cormac

I remember from many years ago there was a website that explained that perfectly and convincingly. I'll have to search my UM blog I never visit anymore.

[Hanslune]

Yep, most people don't read the margin notes that tell you where the map comes from.

This is the map shown on a globe, the lines of the coast are shown in pinkish purple colour. One can note that the Europe and Africa are accurate - given they had good information for that while the New World is off by a bit given it was newly discovered.

One will note the lack of Drake's Passage on the PR map.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/piri/pirikey.htm

The translation of the margin notes. Recommended reading

Edited July 17, 2022 by Hanslune

[Abramelin]

11 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

I remember from many years ago there was a website that explained that perfectly and convincingly. I'll have to search my UM blog I never visit anymore.

Found the links in my UM blog, but the links are dead (2013).

[jethrofloyd]

6 hours ago, Abramelin said:

The map is real

Some experts believe that the map is a forgery.

[Abramelin]

29 minutes ago, jethrofloyd said:

Some experts believe that the map is a forgery.

Maybe, but whatever it is, it doesn't show Antarctica.

[jethrofloyd]

29 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Maybe, but whatever it is, it doesn't show Antarctica.

Ancient Map Shows Antarctica Coastline Without Ice

https://historydaily.org/ancient-map-shows-antarctica-coastline-without-ice

 A medieval-era map, discovered in a Turkish palace in 1929, is dated 1513, yet it shows a knowledge of faraway lands well beyond the areas European explorers had traveled and even shows land features Europeans couldn’t possibly of known about in 1513…like the Andes Mountains of South America and the coastline of the Antarctic under the ice.

 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2022 by jethrofloyd

[Windowpane]

29 minutes ago, jethrofloyd said:

Ancient Map Shows Antarctica Coastline Without Ice

The map's described as  "grossly inaccurate."

[jethrofloyd]

39 minutes ago, Windowpane said:

The map's described as  "grossly inaccurate."

Sure, but still it would be interesting to see these “source maps”. Of course, if they stil exist.

[Hanslune]

5 hours ago, jethrofloyd said:

Ancient Map Shows Antarctica Coastline Without Ice

https://historydaily.org/ancient-map-shows-antarctica-coastline-without-ice

 A medieval-era map, discovered in a Turkish palace in 1929, is dated 1513, yet it shows a knowledge of faraway lands well beyond the areas European explorers had traveled and even shows land features Europeans couldn’t possibly of known about in 1513…like the Andes Mountains of South America and the coastline of the Antarctic under the ice.

 

 

 

The Amazon and other rivers were known and seen on the east coast of SA therefore - somewhere in the interior there would be mountains. At least that was the pattern in Europe and Asia that Europeans had seen. Read the margin notes on the map and it tells yo what the source maps were..

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

On 7/17/2022 at 5:27 AM, jethrofloyd said:

A temple of the god Amun (Amun-Ra) - established some time around the 7th and 8th centuries BCE - in Siwa, was an object of deep fascination among Greek and Persian rulers. Including Alexander the Great and Cambyses. Perhaps it was Alexander the Great's last wish to be buried in Siwa? Or at least, he maybe asked Romans to move his sarcophagus to Siwa after some time.

The Oracle of Siwa is an important character in the Jack West jnr series by Matthew Reilly. 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

8 hours ago, jethrofloyd said:

Ancient Map Shows Antarctica Coastline Without Ice

https://historydaily.org/ancient-map-shows-antarctica-coastline-without-ice

 A medieval-era map, discovered in a Turkish palace in 1929, is dated 1513, yet it shows a knowledge of faraway lands well beyond the areas European explorers had traveled and even shows land features Europeans couldn’t possibly of known about in 1513…like the Andes Mountains of South America and the coastline of the Antarctic under the ice.

 

 

 

The orientation of that map’s a bit squiffy to me, all the animals are orientated one way, the writing another. 

[jethrofloyd]

17. Does The Isle of Demons exist, or ever existed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Demons

[Piney]

21 minutes ago, jethrofloyd said:

17. Does The Isle of Demons exist, or ever existed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Demons

Welllllll........it is a "legendary" island..........but Harte is legendary too.