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6 minutes ago, Piney said:

Welllllll........it is a "legendary" island..........but Harte is legendary too.:unsure2:

Isle of Demons/ Fischot Island, Canada?

''A tiny Canadian Island near the province of Newfoundland and Labrador’s most easterly borders, Fischot Island is one of the alleged inspirations behind the tale of the Isle of Demons. While the exact location of the mythical island has never been confirmed, Fischot Island is one of three thought to be the source of the spooky tale (the others being Quirpon Island and Caribou Island). That it’s home to a raucous colony of gannets (a type of seabird), may explain the many claims of howling demons. It’s an island that first began appearing on maps in the 1500s, having long been the subject of sailors’ superstitions. Considered to be the ghostly home of those who drowned in the Atlantic, alongside a range of other demonic spirits, it was said that anyone who dared venture close to the island – famed for the thick veil of mist that hung over it – would be attacked by these demons waiting in hiding''.

 

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18. Who are the Xinjiang mummies?

During the 1980s, chinese archeologists excavated round a hundred mummies inTarim Basin in western China. The oldest are up to 4000 years old, and unusually well preserved thanks to the area's cold and dry climate. To great surprise of a researchers, amummies wear overturned European features: blonde or reddish hair, long noses and deep-set eyes. DNA tests confirm that a mummies are of European descent. How they ended up in China, no one knows. But, archeologists believe they belonged to an unknown group of people who emigrated east from Europe.

 

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4 hours ago, jethrofloyd said:

18. Who are the Xinjiang mummies?

During the 1980s, chinese archeologists excavated round a hundred mummies inTarim Basin in western China. The oldest are up to 4000 years old, and unusually well preserved thanks to the area's cold and dry climate. To great surprise of a researchers, amummies wear overturned European features: blonde or reddish hair, long noses and deep-set eyes. DNA tests confirm that a mummies are of European descent. How they ended up in China, no one knows. But, archeologists believe they belonged to an unknown group of people who emigrated east from Europe.

 

Folks have been sloshing about on the surface of the earth, hither and yon, for hundreds of thousands of years, and the precursors of the HSS  did also- it's what we do - and we do it well.

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15 hours ago, jethrofloyd said:

18. Who are the Xinjiang mummies?

During the 1980s, chinese archeologists excavated round a hundred mummies inTarim Basin in western China. The oldest are up to 4000 years old, and unusually well preserved thanks to the area's cold and dry climate. To great surprise of a researchers, amummies wear overturned European features: blonde or reddish hair, long noses and deep-set eyes. DNA tests confirm that a mummies are of European descent. How they ended up in China, no one knows. But, archeologists believe they belonged to an unknown group of people who emigrated east from Europe.

 

They aren't European descent, but Eurasian with a East Asian admixture and grew out of the nomadic Yamaya Steppe culture. So the Uralic and Proto-Eastern Iranians mixed it up.

 

The Indo-Iranian Andronovo horizon were horse herding nomads and had brought bronze and their cultures all the way to China, Siberia and Korea while mixing with Uralic folks ( Who invented the wheel)

They became the Skythian-Sarmatians. Who gave they're nomadic horse cultures to the forest dwelling Turkic and Mongolian folks.

Chinese accounts of nomads who were fair and "ugly" are not uncommon and the Alans (Yancai) originated around the Yellow River. 

This is a mess......but I'm still trying to get coffee in me.....

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17 minutes ago, Piney said:

They aren't European descent, but Eurasian with a East Asian admixture and grew out of the nomadic Yamaya Steppe culture. So the Uralic and Proto-Eastern Iranians mixed it up.

 

The Indo-Iranian Andronovo horizon were horse herding nomads and had brought bronze and their cultures all the way to China, Siberia and Korea while mixing with Uralic folks ( Who invented the wheel)

They became the Skythian-Sarmatians. Who gave they're nomadic horse cultures to the forest dwelling Turkic and Mongolian folks.

Chinese accounts of nomads who were fair and "ugly" are not uncommon and the Alans (Yancai) originated around the Yellow River. 

This is a mess......but I'm still trying to get coffee in me.....

Thanks Piney. You are the real expert on these things.

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24 minutes ago, jethrofloyd said:

Thanks Piney. You are the real expert on these things.

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Not really. Just a librarian and a trust fund baby who wandered around with archeologists and geologists in Asia instead of looking for parties in Ibiza.

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4 hours ago, Piney said:

They aren't European descent, but Eurasian with a East Asian admixture and grew out of the nomadic Yamaya Steppe culture. So the Uralic and Proto-Eastern Iranians mixed it up.

This is not true. 

Regarding the oldest group, The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies., this study suggests they were a local indigenous group whose origins lie in Siberia

"To their great surprise, the researchers found that the Tarim Basin mummies were not newcomers to the region at all, but rather appear to be direct descendants of a once widespread Pleistocene population that had largely disappeared by the end of the last Ice Age. This population, known as the Ancient North Eurasians (ANE), survives only fractionally in the genomes of present-day populations, with Indigenous populations in Siberia and the Americas having the highest known proportions, at about 40 percent. In contrast to populations today, the Tarim Basin mummies show no evidence of admixture with any other Holocene groups, forming instead a previously unknown genetic isolate that likely underwent an extreme and prolonged genetic bottleneck prior to settling the Tarim Basin." 

And:

Evidence that a West-East admixed population lived in the Tarim Basin as early as the early Bronze Age

"Mitochondrial DNA analysis showed that the Xiaohe people carried both the East Eurasian haplogroup (C) and the West Eurasian haplogroups (H and K), whereas Y chromosomal DNA analysis revealed only the West Eurasian haplogroup R1a1a in the male individuals".

These mummies span a period of 2,000yrs and are not of the same population or place of origin.

"The early inhabitants of Eastern Central Asia did not belong to a single genetic and linguistic stock, nor did they come from a single source. They entered the Tarim Basin at different times and arrived from different directions— north, northwest, west, and southwest in the earlier periods; northeast, east, southeast, and south during later periods (though they also continued to come from the north, northwest, west, and southwest as well)"....

"As part of the Silk Road and located at the geographical intersection of Eastern and Western cultures, the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region has long served as a major crossroads for trans-Eurasian exchanges of people, cultures, agriculture, and languages".   

ANCIENT MUMMIES OF THE TARIM BASIN"

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The Indo-Iranian Andronovo horizon were horse herding nomads and had brought bronze and their cultures all the way to China, Siberia and Korea while mixing with Uralic folks ( Who invented the wheel)

Again, not a fact yet you just keep saying it:

#127:

This is by no means "fact", if correct at all, given that the wheel appears almost simultaneously across parts of Europe and the Near East coupled with the inherent uncertainties of absolute and/or relative dates which can be off by centuries either which way. The fact is no one is exactly sure where it was "invented" which is where the overwhelming majority of scholarship has left it at. And part of this argument it originates with PIE cultures is a linguistical one which its application as a dating method is speculative at best. 

And the Cucuteni–Trypillian culture, which is where these early examples were found, were hardly "nomads" with monumental architecture and several urban centers ("mega-sites") with upwards of 15,000 inhabitants predating the wheel finds (miniature models) by several centuries. 

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They became the Skythian-Sarmatians. Who gave they're nomadic horse cultures to the forest dwelling Turkic and Mongolian folks.

No. The use of domesticated horses and nomadic horse culture appears in Mongolia c.1300BC, predating the Scythian-Sarmatians by several hundred years which what you are referring to happening much later in the 4th century.  

"According to the study, domestic horse ritual spread rapidly across the Mongol Steppe at around 1200 BC – several hundred years before mounted horsemen are clearly documented historical records (Figure 4). When considered alongside other evidence for horse transport in the Deer Stone-Khirigsuur Complex these results suggest that Mongolia was an epicenter for early horse culture – and probably early mounted horseback riding."

"Despite the historical significance of horses in Mongolia, the role of ancient Mongolian groups in the spread of equine herding and transport to East Asia is poorly understood. Here, we highlight three recent archaeozoological studies suggesting that people of Mongolia’s late Bronze Age Deer Stone-Khirigsuur (DSK) complex harnessed horses and used them for chariotry or riding ca.1300-700 BCE.....

Our results add to a growing body of evidence that Mongolian people played a central role in the initial development and spread of domestic horse use into East Asia during the late Bronze Age."

Mongolia was epicenter for early horse culture, study suggests

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Chinese accounts of nomads who were fair and "ugly" are not uncommon and the Alans (Yancai) originated around the Yellow River. 

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20 hours ago, jethrofloyd said:

18. Who are the Xinjiang mummies?

During the 1980s, chinese archeologists excavated round a hundred mummies inTarim Basin in western China. The oldest are up to 4000 years old, and unusually well preserved thanks to the area's cold and dry climate. To great surprise of a researchers, amummies wear overturned European features: blonde or reddish hair, long noses and deep-set eyes. DNA tests confirm that a mummies are of European descent. How they ended up in China, no one knows. But, archeologists believe they belonged to an unknown group of people who emigrated east from Europe.

You might find this interesting #116:

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Fun fact: 
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This Yin Yang symbol is found on several pieces like these which is particularly interesting as there are many pottery motifs found in the Cucuteni–Trypillian that bear a striking resemblance to the Yangshao culture of China c.5000-3000BC. Compare with Cucuteni–Trypillian pottery.

See #114.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said:

This is not true. 

Regarding the oldest group, The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies., this study suggests they were a local indigenous group whose origins lie in Siberia

"To their great surprise, the researchers found that the Tarim Basin mummies were not newcomers to the region at all, but rather appear to be direct descendants of a once widespread Pleistocene population that had largely disappeared by the end of the last Ice Age. This population, known as the Ancient North Eurasians (ANE), survives only fractionally in the genomes of present-day populations, with Indigenous populations in Siberia and the Americas having the highest known proportions, at about 40 percent. In contrast to populations today, the Tarim Basin mummies show no evidence of admixture with any other Holocene groups, forming instead a previously unknown genetic isolate that likely underwent an extreme and prolonged genetic bottleneck prior to settling the Tarim Basin." 

And:

Evidence that a West-East admixed population lived in the Tarim Basin as early as the early Bronze Age

"Mitochondrial DNA analysis showed that the Xiaohe people carried both the East Eurasian haplogroup (C) and the West Eurasian haplogroups (H and K), whereas Y chromosomal DNA analysis revealed only the West Eurasian haplogroup R1a1a in the male individuals".

These mummies span a period of 2,000yrs and are not of the same population or place of origin.

"The early inhabitants of Eastern Central Asia did not belong to a single genetic and linguistic stock, nor did they come from a single source. They entered the Tarim Basin at different times and arrived from different directions— north, northwest, west, and southwest in the earlier periods; northeast, east, southeast, and south during later periods (though they also continued to come from the north, northwest, west, and southwest as well)"....

"As part of the Silk Road and located at the geographical intersection of Eastern and Western cultures, the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region has long served as a major crossroads for trans-Eurasian exchanges of people, cultures, agriculture, and languages".   

ANCIENT MUMMIES OF THE TARIM BASIN"

Again, not a fact yet you just keep saying it:

#127:

This is by no means "fact", if correct at all, given that the wheel appears almost simultaneously across parts of Europe and the Near East coupled with the inherent uncertainties of absolute and/or relative dates which can be off by centuries either which way. The fact is no one is exactly sure where it was "invented" which is where the overwhelming majority of scholarship has left it at. And part of this argument it originates with PIE cultures is a linguistical one which its application as a dating method is speculative at best. 

And the Cucuteni–Trypillian culture, which is where these early examples were found, were hardly "nomads" with monumental architecture and several urban centers ("mega-sites") with upwards of 15,000 inhabitants predating the wheel finds (miniature models) by several centuries. 

No. The use of domesticated horses and nomadic horse culture appears in Mongolia c.1300BC, predating the Scythian-Sarmatians by several hundred years which what you are referring to happening much later in the 4th century.  

"According to the study, domestic horse ritual spread rapidly across the Mongol Steppe at around 1200 BC – several hundred years before mounted horsemen are clearly documented historical records (Figure 4). When considered alongside other evidence for horse transport in the Deer Stone-Khirigsuur Complex these results suggest that Mongolia was an epicenter for early horse culture – and probably early mounted horseback riding."

"Despite the historical significance of horses in Mongolia, the role of ancient Mongolian groups in the spread of equine herding and transport to East Asia is poorly understood. Here, we highlight three recent archaeozoological studies suggesting that people of Mongolia’s late Bronze Age Deer Stone-Khirigsuur (DSK) complex harnessed horses and used them for chariotry or riding ca.1300-700 BCE.....

Our results add to a growing body of evidence that Mongolian people played a central role in the initial development and spread of domestic horse use into East Asia during the late Bronze Age."

Mongolia was epicenter for early horse culture, study suggests

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The genome part about ANE was what I was trying to get out.

The Andronovo (Iranians) is who brought horsemanship to the Mongols no matter what those 2 puff pieces say. They evolved into the Scythian/ Sarmatians. But I wasn't Googling to check my memory pre-coffee.

The oldest depiction of a Wheeled cart was from a Funnelbeaker pot and they are ANE.

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8 hours ago, Piney said:

Not really. Just a librarian and a trust fund baby who wandered around with archeologists and geologists in Asia instead of looking for parties in Ibiza.

The ideal combination would be to be an archaeologist on the Ibiza. Excavations and work until four o'clock in the afternoon, a parties ilater in the evening

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34 minutes ago, jethrofloyd said:

The ideal combination would be to be an archaeologist on the Ibiza. Excavations and work until four o'clock in the afternoon, a parties ilater in the evening

I hated rich people in my generation. No class,  education or sense of responsibility. Especially new money Americans.

I preferred older people who could teach me something. 

The sad part is 90 percent of my close friends are dead, including the Archeologists I'd pal around with.

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Okay, the Hats household is on a bit of a unsolved history bender right now, all of us are reading books on the hidden history of mankind (tm). 
We’ve all come across, vis various authors like Herb Brennan and W Raymond Drake references to “previous highly developed cultures with a 360 day calendar”. With an additional commentary to the effect thst they were clever enough to have noticed if summer is suddenly winter after a Few decades and therefore their calendar was accurate.
Wothout any real further attribution. 
My personal idea is that it’ll all lead back to Velacovski and his comet Venus theory. 
 

does anyone have any further details? 
 

 

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13 hours ago, Piney said:

The Andronovo (Iranians) is who brought horsemanship to the Mongols no matter what those 2 puff pieces say.

This, the first link, is no "puff piece": Precision Chronology Sheds New Light on the Origins of Mongolia’s Nomadic Horse Culture. The 2nd link is a media article of the same study. 

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The oldest depiction of a Wheeled cart was from a Funnelbeaker pot and they are ANE.

It is the oldest evidence found in middle Europe indirectly dated to the period 3636-3373BC and may not even be a wheeled vehicle. The Bronocice pot you are reffering to: 

640px-0854_Ein_Krug_aus_Bronocice,_3.550 

bronocice2.png

At best contemporaneous with known depictions/writing of wheels found in Uruk during the same period and for all we know may be centuries younger than those found in Mesopotamia. Is it possible the wheel was invented in Europe, sure, but is this a fact, no, and may just as well have been Sumer. As of yet the oldest surviving wheel for transportation was found in Slovenia dating to c. 3200BC:

m3fv237lmbs11.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&a   

 A century or so older than previous "oldest wheels" found in Switzerland and Germany. 

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6 hours ago, Thanos5150 said:

This, the first link, is no "puff piece": Precision Chronology Sheds New Light on the Origins of Mongolia’s Nomadic Horse Culture. The 2nd link is a media article of the same study. 

It is the oldest evidence found in middle Europe indirectly dated to the period 3636-3373BC and may not even be a wheeled vehicle. The Bronocice pot you are reffering to: 

640px-0854_Ein_Krug_aus_Bronocice,_3.550 

bronocice2.png

At best contemporaneous with known depictions/writing of wheels found in Uruk during the same period and for all we know may be centuries younger than those found in Mesopotamia. Is it possible the wheel was invented in Europe, sure, but is this a fact, no, and may just as well have been Sumer. As of yet the oldest surviving wheel for transportation was found in Slovenia dating to c. 3200BC:

m3fv237lmbs11.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&a   

 A century or so older than previous "oldest wheels" found in Switzerland and Germany. 

I would like to see a genetic study of the deer stone people themselves.

The Proto-Mongols were riding horses before the Turks but the Deer symbolism can be found among Uralic and Iranian groups. Then there is a lot of Nationalism involved where Turks and Mongols are "me first" with riding. I still think it was Iranians. They were in that area too.

Its like the North American Great Plains where several different language groups adopted similar religious cultures.

The Rouran, who I always thought were Mongol used Turks as their "Blacksmith Slaves". Then the Turks revolted and became the Gokturk Khanate.

The Cumans had a Turkic Language but many Iranian cultural practices, genes and Sarmatian Clan Tagmas.

People generally speak the languages of their mothers, which is why Bulgarians speak Slavic instead of Turkic and Croats speak it instead of Iranian.

I'm rambling because.....I'm not awake. 

 

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7 hours ago, Thanos5150 said:

This, the first link, is no "puff piece": Precision Chronology Sheds New Light on the Origins of Mongolia’s Nomadic Horse Culture. The 2nd link is a media article of the same study. 

It is the oldest evidence found in middle Europe indirectly dated to the period 3636-3373BC and may not even be a wheeled vehicle. The Bronocice pot you are reffering to: 

640px-0854_Ein_Krug_aus_Bronocice,_3.550 

bronocice2.png

At best contemporaneous with known depictions/writing of wheels found in Uruk during the same period and for all we know may be centuries younger than those found in Mesopotamia. Is it possible the wheel was invented in Europe, sure, but is this a fact, no, and may just as well have been Sumer. As of yet the oldest surviving wheel for transportation was found in Slovenia dating to c. 3200BC:

m3fv237lmbs11.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&a   

 A century or so older than previous "oldest wheels" found in Switzerland and Germany. 

There was a site on the Korean Peninsula which was most certainly related to the Funnelbeaker but I can't find it online, or in my papers.

But it has me thinking that the Deer Stone folks might be descendants of the ANE and spoke Uralic. They really got around and there is a theory that even the Emishi in Japan were Uralic and they were also a horse culture.

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3 hours ago, Piney said:

I would like to see a genetic study of the deer stone people themselves.

The Proto-Mongols were riding horses before the Turks but the Deer symbolism can be found among Uralic and Iranian groups. Then there is a lot of Nationalism involved where Turks and Mongols are "me first" with riding. I still think it was Iranians. They were in that area too.

In this case I don't think these folks are taking a side other than the science (and their own careers and institutions) on this one: 

"A team of researchers from several academic institutions –including the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History, Yale University, University of Chicago, the American Center for Mongolian Studies, and the National Museum of Mongolia—used a scientific dating technique known as radiocarbon dating to estimate the spread of domestic horse ritual at deer stones and khirigsuurs."

Regardless of who was first, I am sure inhabitants of this region of Eurasia had a long history of genetic and cultural interchange which a shared long lost common ancestor would not surprise if not be expected.    

To circle back to the wheel (I know, thank you), as an aside to readers, when archeologists give such exacting dates, like for example the 3636-3373BC given to the Bronocice pot, or "Khufu reigned from 2589-2566BC"-this it total nonsense. The impression given to the general public these dates have been, let alone even can be, figured out to the exact year let alone decade or more is nothing more than modern day "Ussherism". 

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23 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said:

Regardless of who was first, I am sure inhabitants of this region of Eurasia had a long history of genetic and cultural interchange which a shared long lost common ancestor would not surprise if not be expected.    

That's what I was trying to explain in my bruised brain fashion.

 

 

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What happened to the Clovis?

@Hammerclaw

My knowledge is strictly Mid-Atlantic. So don't be too harsh. :o

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The Flint Run Complex in the Northern in the Northern Shenandoah Valley of Virginia shows  smooth technological transition from Clovis cir. 10,000 BC to semi-fluted Debert points and Mid-Paleo cir. 9,000 BC. Then to Dalton-Hardaway points cir. 8,000 BC with no interference from the YD.

William M. Gardner 1974, 1977, 1983, 1989

Jay F. Custer ,1984 shows the same unbroken division in the Delmarva Peninsula.

Then about 65,00 BC Hunterbrook Triangles appear in the Mid-Atlantic which is basically a simplified Dalton. Wingerson and Wingerson 1976, Stewart and Cavallo 1991

Because of the lack of radiocarbon dates. These ages are relative.

I don't know if these papers are online. If they are it would be on Academia. I don't have the PDFs. Just hard copies.

@Swede might have them though.

@Hammerclaw

Take your time John.

 

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16 minutes ago, Piney said:

The Flint Run Complex in the Northern in the Northern Shenandoah Valley of Virginia shows  smooth technological transition from Clovis cir. 10,000 BC to semi-fluted Debert points and Mid-Paleo cir. 9,000 BC. Then to Dalton-Hardaway points cir. 8,000 BC with no interference from the YD.

William M. Gardner 1974, 1977, 1983, 1989

Jay F. Custer ,1984 shows the same unbroken division in the Delmarva Peninsula.

Then about 65,00 BC Hunterbrook Triangles appear in the Mid-Atlantic which is basically a simplified Dalton. Wingerson and Wingerson 1976, Stewart and Cavallo 1991

Because of the lack of radiocarbon dates. These ages are relative.

I don't know if these papers are online. If they are it would be on Academia. I don't have the PDFs. Just hard copies.

@Swede might have them though.

@Hammerclaw

Take your time John.

 

Clovis disappears everywhere by 10,000 years ago, replaced by Folsom style points, shorter and made with different pressure flaking techniques. It reminds me of the slow technological shift from Brittonic to Anglo Saxon in East England, where there was slow steady influx and admixture of new peoples and cultural traits but not a wholesale replacement of the population. 

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16 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Clovis disappears everywhere by 10,000 years ago, replaced by Folsom style points, shorter and made with different pressure flaking techniques. It reminds me of the slow technological shift from Brittonic to Anglo Saxon in East England, where there was slow steady influx and admixture of new peoples and cultural traits but not a wholesale replacement of the population. 

The Folsom transition only happened in the West. Folsom points aren't found in the Mid-Atlantic or Northeast.

But if you think about it this might point to a group entering  North American after the initial migration but prior to the Athapaskan entry into NA, which happened about the Middle-Late Archaic

Or a earlier entry for the Athapaskan group. The Athapaskan have been credited with bringing the bow and arrow to NA but that could of been Inuit groups.

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2 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Clovis disappears everywhere by 10,000 years ago, replaced by Folsom style points, shorter and made with different pressure flaking techniques. It reminds me of the slow technological shift from Brittonic to Anglo Saxon in East England, where there was slow steady influx and admixture of new peoples and cultural traits but not a wholesale replacement of the population. 

Here's a possibility. The Aligic people weren't East of Lake Superior until after 3,000 BC. Proto-Algic which might be related to Salishian probably started around the Columbian Plateau around 7,000 BC and it was a maritime language.

Maybe my ancestors were the possible part of a second wave which came in boats and caused the disappearance of Clovis in the West.

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5 minutes ago, Piney said:

Here's a possibility. The Aligic people weren't East of Lake Superior until after 3,000 BC. Proto-Algic which might be related to Salishian probably started around the Columbian Plateau around 7,000 BC and it was a maritime language.

Maybe my ancestors were the possible part of a second wave which came in boats and caused the disappearance of Clovis in the West.

It was very complicated, population crashes, mixtures and replacements and despite totally unrelated cultures and language families, all Native Americans share a common ancestor. It's hard to pin down one's ancestors when dealing with non-sedentary, hunter-gatherers. 

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On 7/19/2022 at 11:16 AM, jethrofloyd said:

18. Who are the Xinjiang mummies?

During the 1980s, chinese archeologists excavated round a hundred mummies inTarim Basin in western China. The oldest are up to 4000 years old, and unusually well preserved thanks to the area's cold and dry climate. To great surprise of a researchers, amummies wear overturned European features: blonde or reddish hair, long noses and deep-set eyes. DNA tests confirm that a mummies are of European descent. How they ended up in China, no one knows. But, archeologists believe they belonged to an unknown group of people who emigrated east from Europe.

 

They were Tocharians, the eastern-most 
Indo-European people. 

Anyone telling you they’re mysterious or unknown are lying or trying to sell you something.

—Jaylemurph 

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