Poll of polls show Brits have officially turned against Brexit

[So Far Away]

28 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

I am entitled to my opinion and I have argued my reasons for holding it.

Equally, I am also entitled to my opinion and I have argued my reasons for holding it, but YOU don't seem to respect THAT, because you have already told me that, quote: "I have no respect for Brexiteers as a species."

Edited July 4, 2022 by So Far Away

[So Far Away]

18 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

My beloved EU is not perfect, as I have repeatedly said on this forum and in this thread, but you wilfully ignore that fact.

So why even point fingers at the UK Government in the first place and vilify if for doing the exact same thing your beloved EU has also done then? If you are going to start slinging mud, then make sure your own house is clean first, because when it comes to your beloved EU, I will pick it back up and sling it straight back at you.

Edited July 4, 2022 by So Far Away

[Ozymandias]

14 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Ever asked yourself why him and most of the others here who are so obsessed with reversing Brexit, who are so obsessed they still haven`t gotten over us leaving yet despite it being a few years now, are so obsessed despite not being British or even living here? Its funny.

We could start 101 topics right now on everything from who should own the Falkland Islands to Gibraltar, or what is better socialism or capitalism, to should the British Monarchy be kept or replaced, and I kid you not you can successfully guess all of their answers.

Lets see them for what they are - Britain Bashers.

I am not a Remoaner and I am not obsessed with reversing Brexit! If I was a genuine 'Britain Basher' (to quote your characterisation of me) I would be very content to see you inflict so much damage on yourselves and happy to see you permanently locked into it. 

No, I am an unashamed Brexit and Brexiteer basher and I was completely fascinated by the poor quality of the referendum campaigns of 2016 and the result that ensued. My interest is historical. Since than I have had considerable engagement with Brexiteers and others, both here and elsewhere, and have developed my own views as to how and why you did it. Clearly, and obviously, Brexiteers do not like my perspective.

Unfortunately. I also hold opinions on other matters that certain people in Britain would dislike me for. I am a republican not a monarchist and I believe in capitalism (but tempered by socialist principles).

And, as I always say, even though I am not British, this is an international forum inviting comment from all-comers on threads under the heading 'UK and Europe', so I have no problem expressing my opinions even though you repeatedly seem to imply that being Irish I have no right say anything about the UK. 

[Helen of Annoy]

On 6/28/2022 at 4:00 PM, The Silver Shroud said:

And 38% think it was right to Leave. Considerably less than the 52% who thought it a good idea in 2016. Still, the main point is that pro-EU sentiment is growing. Given that the over-65's made up the majority of Brexiters, we should expect to rejoin at some time in the future, probably it will take 10 years. The main difficulty would be to persuade the EU to accept us back- Johnson's government is breaking international rules and laws at an alarming rate and trashing our global reputation. We can regain that thought, with the Tories gone at the next GE.

 

On 6/28/2022 at 6:07 PM, OverSword said:

Quit bellyaching remoaners.  The EU wouldn't let you back in now.  

 

I didn't read the thread, but I'd just mention that there is the "geopolitical European union" idea. 

(An actual rejoining wouldn't take long, since the process was already completed before, only this time UK would have to agree to terms equal to all members, an exceptional status wouldn't be possible this time. But the EU shouldn't and won't offer candidate status to any possible new member if there's significant and aggressive anti-EU sentiment in that country. We've got such example in my neighbourhood, not to digress.)

It could help somewhat repair Brexit damage. It won't be an economic union, which means it theoretically won't solve problems with customs that generate problems with traffic, for example, but it could create more relaxed atmosphere, in which those famous "red tapes" wouldn't be necessary anymore.   Will, way, etc. 

Bojo (who was described lately as "enthusiastic" about the idea of geopolitical union, by Macron) is this or that, but he wasn't a Brexiter before he saw his chance in riding that wave. So it's completely plausible that he is honestly looking for ways to partially reverse Brexit. 

Personally, I'd love to see any type of solution that would untangle completely stupid and counterproductive consequences of Brexit. These are not the times in which we've got luxury to waste time and resources on spiting each other. 

[OpenMindedSceptic]

6 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

 

 

I didn't read the thread, but I'd just mention that there is the "geopolitical European union" idea. 

(An actual rejoining wouldn't take long, since the process was already completed before, only this time UK would have to agree to terms equal to all members, an exceptional status wouldn't be possible this time. But the EU shouldn't and won't offer candidate status to any possible new member if there's significant and aggressive anti-EU sentiment in that country. We've got such example in my neighbourhood, not to digress.)

It could help somewhat repair Brexit damage. It won't be an economic union, which means it theoretically won't solve problems with customs that generate problems with traffic, for example, but it could create more relaxed atmosphere, in which those famous "red tapes" wouldn't be necessary anymore.   Will, way, etc. 

Bojo (who was described lately as "enthusiastic" about the idea of geopolitical union, by Macron) is this or that, but he wasn't a Brexiter before he saw his chance in riding that wave. So it's completely plausible that he is honestly looking for ways to partially reverse Brexit. 

Personally, I'd love to see any type of solution that would untangle completely stupid and counterproductive consequences of Brexit. These are not the times in which we've got luxury to waste time and resources on spiting each other. 

The EU could change.

Oh wait  no, hahaha, that'd take forever.

The EU remained silent during Brexit.

They have remained silent since.

Everybody, including the EU say the EU is broken but still they do nothing.

I'd have cut the number of MEP's, decoupled the currencies to help ease inflation, restricted subsidies that encourage mass migration, allowed countries some autonomy back, made it impossible for single countries to hold the EU to ransom, stopped the monthly move of offices from Brussels to wherever the hell they go, get back to being a trading bloc and little more, stopped interfering in long standing industries in each country, and finally get a set of accounts signed off. 

Seems reasonable.

But the EU couldn't even accomplish half if these even if they agreed