Biblical inerrancy

[larryp]

38 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

A misunderstanding by 19th Century peoples about the beliefs of older cultures. 
 

cormac

That's spin; plain and simple. Who is going to believe that?

[cormac mac airt]

2 minutes ago, larryp said:

That's spin; plain and simple. Who is going to believe that?

Anyone who understands English comprehension! 
 

cormac

[cormac mac airt]

15 minutes ago, larryp said:

YHWH

Wrong:

Dude, Adam was born in 4026 B.C.E.; there is no archeological proof that anything human existed in 5500 B.C.E. except for in your fantasy club.

Archaeological and RADIOMETRIC dating of the sites I mentioned show your claim to be false. 
 

cormac

[larryp]

9 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Archaeological and RADIOMETRIC dating of the sites I mentioned show your claim to be false. 
 

cormac

YHWH

According to science, those readings are only accurate for a few thousand years. 

Edited August 25, 2022 by larryp
the details!

[cormac mac airt]

14 minutes ago, larryp said:

YHWH

You are talking in riddles; people can see that; no need to hide in mystery.

Nope, just apparently well above your comprehension level and ability to keep up, imagine that. 
 

Of the four sites I mentioned they date as follows: 

Eridu:  5570 BC

Tell El-Ubaid:  5300 BC

Tell El-Oueili:  6000 BC

the H3 site:  5500 BC

cormac

Edited August 25, 2022 by cormac mac airt

[larryp]

23 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Archaeological and RADIOMETRIC dating of the sites I mentioned show your claim to be false. 
 

cormac

YHWH

How reliable is RADIOMETRIC dating?

For example, after extensive testing over many years, it was concluded that uranium-helium dating is highly unreliable because the small helium atom diffuses easily out of minerals over geologic time. As a result, this method is not used except in rare and highly specialized applications.

[cormac mac airt]

4 minutes ago, larryp said:

YHWH

How reliable is RADIOMETRIC dating?

For example, after extensive testing over many years, it was concluded that uranium-helium dating is highly unreliable because the small helium atom diffuses easily out of minerals over geologic time. As a result, this method is not used except in rare and highly specialized applications.

Highly reliable and uranium-helium dating ISN’T the only, nor the most common, method used. 
 

cormac

[larryp]

5 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Nope, just apparently well above your comprehension level and ability to keep up, imagine that. 
 

Of the four sites I mentioned they date as follows: 

Eridu:  5570 BC

Tell El-Ubaid:  5300 BC

Tell El-Oueili:  6000 BC

the H3 site:  5500 BC

cormac

YHWH

Archeologists know that the oldest civilization on earth is Sumerian because they have tangible evidence from the ancient script, fossils, relics, etc. This is very different from your billions-and-billions of years fantasy club, with no proof.

[cormac mac airt]

2 minutes ago, larryp said:

YHWH

Archeologists know that the oldest civilization on earth is Sumerian because they have tangible evidence from the ancient script, fossils, relics, etc. This is very different from your billions-and-billions of years fantasy club, with no proof.

So “stupidity” really IS your bailiwick? 6000 BC to 5300 BC is nowhere near “billions-and-billions of years”. Which means you can’t be relevant to ANY timeframe. 
 

cormac

[cormac mac airt]

9 hours ago, larryp said:

 

Uranium-Helium dating WASN’T used so you have no argument. 
 

cormac

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, larryp said:

YHWH

Wrong:

Dude, Adam was born in 4026 B.C.E.; there is no archeological proof that anything human existed in 5500 B.C.E. except for in your fantasy club.

Hi Larry

Gobekli Tepe was built 12 thousand years ago and there are older sites regionally so that is several thousands of years before your date for Adam. It would seem the world was quite heavily populated before your creation of Adam story within the time frame that you promote. So maybe you could smoke and mirror some comprehensive explanations for the discrepancy between what is known and what you think you know.

[jmccr8]

38 minutes ago, larryp said:

YHWH

Archeologists know that the oldest civilization on earth is Sumerian because they have tangible evidence from the ancient script, fossils, relics, etc. This is very different from your billions-and-billions of years fantasy club, with no proof.

Hi Larry

JWAY

To start with Adam and Eve were never a culture or a civilization if they existed so not really sure how you think there was an argument. You need a large population base to form a civilization which takes thousands of years of making babies that live long enough to make babies and mortality rates were high. My last post was to a site of human occupation and use from 12 thousand years ago which would have taken a lot of people to construct and there had to be people before them.

The only way your daydream could work would be for god to have totally obliterated then create Adam, unfortunately genetics shows that we have been here for a long, long, long time so for Adam to have been created at the time you suggest it was already heavily populated and dispersed globally which is likely why there were 2 women for him to live in Eden with.

[larryp]

46 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Uranium-Helium dating WASN’T used so you have no argument. 
 

cormac

Wrong: Uranium is involved in Radiometric dating. Try again.

[cormac mac airt]

11 minutes ago, larryp said:

Wrong: Uranium is involved in Radiometric dating. Try again.

Try again: 

Quote

 

Radiometric Dating Methods

Isotopic dating can be another term used for radiometric dating. There are several radioisotopes used to determine the age of an object. Therefore, several isotopic dating methods are used. There is uranium-lead dating, potassium-argon dating,rubidium-strontium dating, and radiocarbon dating. 

Uranium-lead dating is used for dating uranium-bearing rocks and minerals. Two different unstable isotopes of uranium decay into stable isotopes of lead through a decay chain of alpha and beta decay. 

Potassium-argon dating is used for dating potassium-bearing rocks and minerals. Unstable potassium decays into a stable isotope of argon through beta decay and an electron capture process. 

Rubidium-strontium dating is used for rubidium-bearing rocks and minerals. Unstable rubidium decays into a stable isotope of strontium through beta decay. 

Radiocarbon dating is used to date objects that were once living and have elemental and isotopic carbon within them. Carbon-14 decays into nitrogen-14 through beta decay.

 

https://study.com/learn/lesson/radiometric-dating-methods-examples.html#

cormac

[larryp]

5 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Larry

To start with Adam and Eve were never a culture or a civilization . . ."

They started the first civilization and culture. Weird how you strain a gnat, then swallow a camel.

[+Hammerclaw]

Uranium is only one of several substances used in radiometric dating.

Radiometric dating - Wikipedia

[cormac mac airt]

2 minutes ago, larryp said:

They started the first civilization and culture. Weird how you strain a gnat, then swallow a camel.

Jewish Mythology. 
 

cormac

[+Hammerclaw]

4 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Jewish Mythology. 
 

cormac

You're arguing with a poor, pathetic putz that believes, wholeheartedly, in fairytales. Futile, as facts bounce off like water off a duck's back.

[cormac mac airt]

4 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

You're arguing with a poor, pathetic putz that believes, wholeheartedly, in fairytales. Futile, as facts bounce off like water off a duck's back.

I know, just pointing it out. He’d have better luck trying to find a school of wizardry in Scotland. 
 

cormac

[larryp]

On 8/15/2022 at 2:32 PM, Piney said:

The burden of proof is on you to provide the names and studies of the archeologists and historians to prove he existed.

• YHWH

  Dr. Amos Frumkin of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem says: “The carbon-14 tests we carried out on organic material within the plaster of the Siloam Tunnel, and uranium-thorium dating of stalactites found in the tunnel, date it conclusively to Hezekiah’s era.” 

  ... 

  An article in the scientific journal Natureadds: “The three independent lines of evidence—radiometric dating, palaeography and the historical record—all converge on about 700 BC, rendering the Siloam Tunnel the best-dated Iron-Age biblical structure thus far known.”

[cormac mac airt]

8 minutes ago, larryp said:

• YHWH

  Dr. Amos Frumkin of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem says: “The carbon-14 tests we carried out on organic material within the plaster of the Siloam Tunnel, and uranium-thorium dating of stalactites found in the tunnel, date it conclusively to Hezekiah’s era.” 

  ... 

  An article in the scientific journal Natureadds: “The three independent lines of evidence—radiometric dating, palaeography and the historical record—all converge on about 700 BC, rendering the Siloam Tunnel the best-dated Iron-Age biblical structure thus far known.”

NONE of which validates your claim that Uranium HAS to be used for radiometric dating. 
 

cormac

[larryp]

^^^ 

Hey man, the point was Radiometric dating is unreliable. Got it? By the way, the post was for Piney, not you.

Edited August 26, 2022 by larryp

[jmccr8]

20 minutes ago, larryp said:

They started the first civilization and culture. Weird how you strain a gnat, then swallow a camel.

Hi Larry

If there were enough people 12,000 years ago to build that place then there are still 100s of thousands of years of humans.

If Adam was created 6000  years ago then he would have not been alone as the first man on this planet. If you do not agree with the science then use what scientific evidence you disagree with and give a rebuttal and documentation to support it.

Show me how science is wrong about the dates of Gobekli Tepe giving supporting documentation to support what the date should be.

You do realize that for 2 people 6000 years ago populating the earth with 8 billion presently means that it would be 24/7 nookie and nothing else, Please do sit back and think about things from more than one position. I argue with myself all the time and pick 3-4 positions to argue from then the winner buys the losers a drink.

[cormac mac airt]

2 minutes ago, larryp said:

^^^ 

Hey man, the point is it unreliable. Got it?

Since that particular method WASN’T used it’s completely irrelevant. And since another method was used and determined that the sites I mentioned were older than your Adam we can put your fantasy to bed. 
 

cormac

[larryp]

7 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Larry

You do realize that for 2 people 6000 years ago populating the earth with 8 billion presently means that it would be 24/7 nookie and nothing else, Please do sit back and think about things from more than one position. I argue with myself all the time and pick 3-4 positions to argue from then the winner buys the losers a drink.

YHWH

You must remember that YHWH told the coupe to be fruitful and fill the earth, and that's what he meant..