Biblical inerrancy

[+Hammerclaw]

1 hour ago, cormac mac airt said:

No, they’re really not. Jewish Sheol IS NOT the same thing as Gehenna, neither of which are the same thing as Hades and further none of the above are the same as the Christian Hell. They are, at best, approximate  ideas from multiple unrelated cultures. 
 

cormac

The latest incarnation of Ben Masada is in fine form, isn't he?

[Guyver]

4 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

The latest incarnation of Ben Masada is in fine form, isn't he?

Ooops.

Edited September 15, 2022 by Guyver

[+Hammerclaw]

1 minute ago, Guyver said:

Ben Masada was badass.

He was an ass, for sure.

[Guyver]

Just now, Hammerclaw said:

He was an ass, for sure.

Oops.  I think I made a mistake.  I didn’t mean Ben Masada, I meant that hilltop stand by the Jews at Masada.  My bad.

[+Hammerclaw]

4 minutes ago, Guyver said:

Oops.  I think I made a mistake.  I didn’t mean Ben Masada, I meant that hilltop stand by the Jews at Masada.  My bad.

The story is badass, but mostly uncorroborated by the archaeology, as far as the details go. 

[Guyver]

4 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

The story is badass, but mostly uncorroborated by the archaeology, as far as the details go. 

I wasn’t aware of that.  I thought it had been confirmed.

[+Hammerclaw]

7 minutes ago, Guyver said:

I wasn’t aware of that.  I thought it had been confirmed.

The only account we have of the story as we know it is from the Jewish traitor and historian Josephus, who's history, more often than not, is taken with a grain of salt. Historians in antiquity weren't writing for posterity, they were writing for the contemporaneous audience of their times. They used artistic license a lot.

Edited September 15, 2022 by Hammerclaw

[Guyver]

2 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

The only account we have of the story as we know it is from the Jewish traitor and historian Josephus, who's history, more often than not, is taken with a grain of salt. Historians in antiquity weren't writing for posterity, they were writing for the contemporaneous audience of their times. They used artistic license a lot.

I don’t wish to argue at this moment, nor do I wish to research, but…according to what I believe, the site has been studied and confirmed.

[+Hammerclaw]

17 minutes ago, Guyver said:

I don’t wish to argue at this moment, nor do I wish to research, but…according to what I believe, the site has been studied and confirmed.

Well, what one believes is subject to change, isn't it? You have a computer, so it's easy to find out for yourself. It's been confirmed by those who accept the story as written and interpret what little passes for evidence as confirmation. Albeit no mass grave of those who supposedly suicided has ever been located. It's not likely they would have been carried far, if off the mount, at all.

The Myth of Masada | HistoryNet

Edited September 15, 2022 by Hammerclaw

[eight bits]

2 hours ago, larryp said:

 Below is the influence Roman culture had on pure worship.

It's a medieval Greek baptismal fantasy directed at Jews who might pretend to convert in order to escape persecution.

https://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/2010/05/17/hunting-the-wild-misquotation/

It has as much to do with "Roman culture" as the left-over pizza I'm reheating for lunch (mmm, pizza).

(The Fordham sourcebook link in the blog article should be

https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/jewish-oaths.asp

Stuff moves.)

[+Hammerclaw]

The infallibility of the holy scriptures is a belief, not at all factually corroborated in any respect. You'd think the center column of corrections in some Bibles would clue people in.

[Piney]

On 9/14/2022 at 3:34 AM, larryp said:

YHWH

Both cultures are based on the same idea, Christianity, so they are describing the same place and "image" in the Scriptures, jmccr. The truth is, the Romans were disgusted with anything Jewish, so they replaced their culture with idol worship of the Romans. Allow the Creed of Constantine to break it down for you. The text is right above you.

During the life time of Jesus the Jewish sects and other Middle Eastern religions were actually quite popular with Romans who actively converted.

No religion disgusted the Romans. Just certain aspects. They happily took any god as their own.

[SHaYap]

Not to be outdone... 

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Cathar Castles

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Château de Montségur - Ruined Medieval Cathar Castle in France

 

The Château de Montségur is probably the best known of all Cathar Castles. It is famous as the last Cathar stronghold, which fell after a 10 month siege in ...

 

 

 

 

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Montsegur - The Location of the Last Big Cathar Siege

 

18 Jul 2015 — There were further skirmishes but essentially the siege of Montsegur is widely considered to be the last significant stand off...

 

 

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The Cathar Crusade...

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World History Encyclopedia

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Albigensian Crusade - World History Encyclopedia

 

19 Oct 2018 — The Albigensian Crusade (aka Cathars' Crusade, 1209-1229 CE), was the first crusade to specifically target heretic Christians - the Cathars ...

New World Encyclopedia

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Albigensian Crusade - New World Encyclopedia

 

The Albigensian Crusade, or Cathar Crusade (1209–1229), was a twenty year military campaign initiated by the Roman Catholic Church to eliminate the...

 

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[Piney]

44 minutes ago, SHaYap said:

Not to be outdone... 

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The Cathar Crusade...

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The former head of my Quaker Quarter and I visited Montsegur. 

He considered the Cathars along with the Unitarians the proto-Quakers.

As he told me the Castle's history he wept. 

[SHaYap]

48 minutes ago, Piney said:

As he told me the Castle's history he wept.

Naturally, so would I 

When I was younger, I had all these places I wanted to see with my own eyes. 

Now, as I gradually discover the history associated with the places, I don't think my mental well-being could survive it. 

Just visiting the ww2 historical sites in Malaysia knocks me down a few notches 

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[Piney]

5 hours ago, SHaYap said:

Naturally, so would I 

When I was younger, I had all these places I wanted to see with my own eyes. 

Now, as I gradually discover the history associated with the places, I don't think my mental well-being could survive it. 

Just visiting the ww2 historical sites in Malaysia knocks me down a few notches 

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My baby sister owns a farm in Gettysburg almost on top of a battlefield.

Never been there. Never will. I had a bad experience on a school trip and never went back.

[+Hammerclaw]

12 hours ago, SHaYap said:

Naturally, so would I 

When I was younger, I had all these places I wanted to see with my own eyes. 

Now, as I gradually discover the history associated with the places, I don't think my mental well-being could survive it. 

Just visiting the ww2 historical sites in Malaysia knocks me down a few notches 

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This is not scientific, I know but--history lingers on, in places, as if the landscape soaks up the intensity of emotion experienced there. If one is sensitive to such emanations and opens oneself up to them, or doesn't guard oneself from them, they can be unsettling and sickening, echoes from the nonempirical side of the universe.

[+Hammerclaw]

15 hours ago, Piney said:

During the life time of Jesus the Jewish sects and other Middle Eastern religions were actually quite popular with Romans who actively converted.

No religion disgusted the Romans. Just certain aspects. They happily took any god as their own.

They called them Eastern Mystery Cults of which Mithraism, the Sol Invictus cult, Judaism and its b****** whelp, Christianity were but a few of many.

[SHaYap]

1 minute ago, Hammerclaw said:

This is not scientific, I know but--history lingers on, in places, as if the landscape soaks up the intensity of emotion experienced there.

A Japanese tourist I met while she was visiting called it the basic foundations of PTSD, said she was a psychology professor back in Japan, I don't know all that much about it to know what she was going on about and frankly, my Nippon and her English couldn't tell when we were joking around or serious. 

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1 minute ago, Hammerclaw said:

If one is sensitive to such emanations and opens oneself up to them, or doesn't guard oneself from them, they can be unsettling and sickening, echoes from the nonempirical side of the universe.

Personally, it's one of those "ignorance is bliss " moments for me. One of my fondest memory from school was that little tale of the city kids visiting the fisherman, I used to go fishing a lot back then and lived near a fishing village, made many lifelong friends. 

Anyways, the story goes... 

The old fisherman was asked about his family and replied, "my father was lost at sea, two of my sons was never found and so too my brother and three of his sons... "

So one city kid asked, "why do you still go out to sea?"

The kids was in turn asked, do you know of anyone who has died, did they die laying on the bed? 

Why do you still sleep on a bed every night? 

I don't think teachers are allowed to expend such life lessons today

 

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[+Hammerclaw]

7 minutes ago, SHaYap said:

A Japanese tourist I met while she was visiting called it the basic foundations of PTSD, said she was a psychology professor back in Japan, I don't know all that much about it to know what she was going on about and frankly, my Nippon and her English couldn't tell when we were joking around or serious. 

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Personally, it's one of those "ignorance is bliss " moments for me. One of my fondest memory from school was that little tale of the city kids visiting the fisherman, I used to go fishing a lot back then and lived near a fishing village, made many lifelong friends. 

Anyways, the story goes... 

The old fisherman was asked about his family and replied, "my father was lost at sea, two of my sons was never found and so too my brother and three of his sons... "

So one city kid asked, "why do you still go out to sea?"

The kids was in turn asked, do you know of anyone who has died, did they die laying on the bed? 

Why do you still sleep on a bed every night? 

I don't think teachers are allowed to expend such life lessons today

 

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Whales weep not, so what, me worry? 

[SHaYap]

Just now, Hammerclaw said:

Whales weep not, so what, me worry? 

Evidently, you have never heard a dolphin cry... 

~

[+Hammerclaw]

11 minutes ago, SHaYap said:

Evidently, you have never heard a dolphin cry... 

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Is it what it sounds like, when doves cry?

https://youtu.be/UG3VcCAlUgE

 

Edited September 17, 2022 by Hammerclaw

[SHaYap]

3 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Is it what it sounds like, when doves cry?

More or less, a little trivia... it was originally, when "pigeons" cry. 

Evidently, Lil' Nelson wasn't paying much attention in English class back in school... 

~

[Piney]

6 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

They called them Eastern Mystery Cults of which Mithraism, the Sol Invictus cult, Judaism and its b****** whelp, Christianity were but a few of many.

Your one of the few I met that didn't get Sol Invictus ( Elaha Gabal, Elagabalus) confused. A lot of people think Constantine worshiped Mithra when he actually worshipped Elagabalus. Which is ironic....when you think about the Arab emperor who introduced him.

and yes, I know they were syncretized even though Elagabalus started as a mountain God.

 

[+Hammerclaw]

15 minutes ago, Piney said:

Your one of the few I met that didn't get Sol Invictus ( Elaha Gabal, Elagabalus) confused. A lot of people think Constantine worshiped Mithra when he actually worshipped Elagabalus. Which is ironic....when you think about the Arab emperor who introduced him.

and yes, I know they were syncretized even though Elagabalus started as a mountain God.

 

Few people understand the abiding antipathy most Romans felt toward Christians. With a wave of the hand the Christians swept away, in their minds, worship of any god, save for their own. The Pagan gods weren't worshipped as the Christian god was, but were fierce deities caring only for themselves and their worshippers who gave them propitiatory offerings to gain their blessing. The Christian refusal to give offerings to these Roman deities was considered endangering the State. This Christian god appalled them as did the mannered of worship! A common criminal executed in the most shameful manner, who supposedly rose from the dead yet whose blood and flesh were consumed in a most horrendous rite. They called the Christians, Atheists.