Biblical inerrancy

[Piney]

10 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Few people understand the abiding antipathy most Romans felt toward Christians. With a wave of the hand the Christians swept away, in their minds, worship of any god, save for their own. The Pagan gods weren't worshipped as the Christian god was, but were fierce deities caring only for themselves and their worshippers who gave them propitiatory offerings to gain their blessing. The Christian refusal to give offerings to these Roman deities was considered endangering the State. This Christian god appalled them as did the mannered of worship! A common criminal executed in the most shameful manner, who supposedly rose from the dead yet whose blood and flesh were consumed in a most horrendous rite. They called the Christians, Atheists.

I think what had p***ed Romans off on top of refusal to sacrifice was the missionary stuff. Christians were pushy trying to make new converts. Other religions didn't do that.

On the other side, they gained traction because they weren't a "exclusive club" like other mystery religions.

 

[eight bits]

7 hours ago, SHaYap said:

More or less, a little trivia... it was originally, when "pigeons" cry. 

Even more trivia, the birds we most often call pigeons in American English are doves, blue rock doves. Their name was changed as a public health measure. Blue rock doves are unhygienic and an urban nuisance, so there was, once upon a time, a campaign to poison them into extinction. From a public relations perspective, it didn't sound right to kill off doves, so they were renamed.

The name change campaign was conspicuously more successful than the eradication campaign.

[SHaYap]

3 minutes ago, eight bits said:

Even more trivia, the birds we most often call pigeons in American English are doves, blue rock doves. Their name was changed as a public health measure. Blue rock doves are unhygienic and an urban nuisance, so there was, once upon a time, a campaign to poison them into extinction. From a public relations perspective, it didn't sound right to kill off doves, so they were renamed.

The birds are very familiar to us Malaysians on religious property grounds, casually referred to as cockroaches with feathers. 

Then the Vietnamese laborers took a liking to them and nearly caused a Tet offensive on them all across the country. That's after they made short work on the stray cats and dogs. 

Things are not so bad now a days, mostly the more experienced ones will keep their colleagues in check. 

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3 minutes ago, eight bits said:

The name change campaign was conspicuously more successful than the eradication campaign.

Ain't that the same old new old cautionary tale... 

How's the invasive Asian snake head fish program doing? 

Took an American out to try the "local" specialties once, yes, I said, yes, it is fish, no, it is fresh water fish... 

Got an email from him months later and he's cooking it up for his friends and families... Ugliest MFs you'll set your eyes on but tastes like heaven 

Heck, over here, we've heard of folks killing each other over a good catch, seriously, a fella caught a big fish and was keeping it in a tank for his wife's postpartum care and recuperation.

His younger brother sold it without telling anyone prior and got his skull caved in with a mighty blow... The elder brother only spent a night behind bars. Heck, the thief didn't even get a funeral. 

I was barely fourteen at the time if I remember it right. 

Yeah, rough part of town and all that. 

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[Piney]

39 minutes ago, SHaYap said:

The birds are very familiar to us Malaysians on religious property grounds, casually referred to as cockroaches with feathers. 

Then the Vietnamese laborers took a liking to them and nearly caused a Tet offensive on them all across the country. That's after they made short work on the stray cats and dogs. 

Things are not so bad now a days, mostly the more experienced ones will keep their colleagues in check. 

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Ain't that the same old new old cautionary tale... 

How's the invasive Asian snake head fish program doing? 

Took an American out to try the "local" specialties once, yes, I said, yes, it is fish, no, it is fresh water fish... 

Got an email from him months later and he's cooking it up for his friends and families... Ugliest MFs you'll set your eyes on but tastes like heaven 

Heck, over here, we've heard of folks killing each other over a good catch, seriously, a fella caught a big fish and was keeping it in a tank for his wife's postpartum care and recuperation.

His younger brother sold it without telling anyone prior and got his skull caved in with a mighty blow... The elder brother only spent a night behind bars. Heck, the thief didn't even get a funeral. 

I was barely fourteen at the time if I remember it right. 

Yeah, rough part of town and all that. 

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Snakeheads were in Seeley Lake next to my former farm, which is not surprising considering the Seabrook Buddhist Temple is in spitting distance on the other side.

I ate the crap out of them. 

[SHaYap]

22 minutes ago, Piney said:

I ate the crap out of them. 

Try this for the missus... It's great for the feminine charms... 

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[+Desertrat56]

5 hours ago, Piney said:

Your one of the few I met that didn't get Sol Invictus ( Elaha Gabal, Elagabalus) confused. A lot of people think Constantine worshiped Mithra when he actually worshipped Elagabalus. Which is ironic....when you think about the Arab emperor who introduced him.

and yes, I know they were syncretized even though Elagabalus started as a mountain God.

 

Why does the mormon church in our city have a statue of Mithras in the lobby?   (random, I know, but speaking of Mithras...)

[+Hammerclaw]

10 hours ago, Piney said:

I think what had p***ed Romans off on top of refusal to sacrifice was the missionary stuff. Christians were pushy trying to make new converts. Other religions didn't do that.

On the other side, they gained traction because they weren't a "exclusive club" like other mystery religions.

 

They weren't pushy until after 313 AD. Before that, they were a cult with no legal standing. They had no temples and worshiped together in the houses of their more affluent members. In the beginning they were Jews, as there were 5-15 million practioners of Judaism throughout the Empire. Judaism was evangelical in that period and accepted converts Thus, the contention between Paul and the disciples, as they believed gentile converts must first become Jews and be of the circumcision before becoming Christian.

Gentile Christians were a reclusive club, eschewing ordinary social discourse by way of refusal to participate in the communal propitiation of the traditional gods and worshiped their deity in the seclusion of private homes. They were considered atheists and antisocial and by their actions and inactions, peculiar and even dangerous, at times.

Edited September 17, 2022 by Hammerclaw

[+Hammerclaw]

4 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

Why does the mormon church in our city have a statue of Mithras in the lobby?   (random, I know, but speaking of Mithras...)

Never heard that before, but Joseph Smith borrowed, freely, from existing religions. Mithraism was a soldier's cult, very popular in the Western Roman empire with only tenuous connections with the Persian version. Exclusive to men, it was like a fraternity and ritualistic like freemasonry. It was a rival to Christianity, persecuted and extirpated by the end of the fourth century. Many Christian churches were erected directly atop underground Mithraeum (temples) which survive, intact, to this day.

Edited September 17, 2022 by Hammerclaw

[eight bits]

20 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

Why does the mormon church in our city have a statue of Mithras in the lobby?   (random, I know, but speaking of Mithras...)

Oookay. The name of this place is unexplained mysteries, and this has been on your mind for a while, so let's see whether we can sort this out. (By we I mean the community; I am not claiming that I can figure this out.)

First, I assume we are talking about the LDS temple in Albuquerque. A temple is a specific kind of LDS worship site (open only to accredited LDS members after its dedication, closed on Sundays, used only for specific rites and practices, ...) with its own conventions regarding appropriate decoration, and different conventions for different spaces within the temple.

Now, I believe you located this statue in a past post as being in or near an interior fountain (not the exterior fountain on that site). Is it possible that you are referring to something connected with the baptismal font (a water vessel big enough to submerge one or more adult humans, probably supported by a dozen ox statues and housed in its own room)?

Finally for now, why do you conclude the statue depicted Mithras? (For example, the tour guide said so, or there was an inscription, or characteristic Mithraic emblems like a "Phrygian" cap and posed as killing a bull or, as would be somewhat meaningful for LDS, shaking hands with another figure.)

Obviously any details you remember are potentially useful.

[SHaYap]

Romans did have a fondness of appropriating native religious sites and structures, nothing out of character for the Imperial or Republic  Empire... Holy or not 

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[+Hammerclaw]

On 9/16/2022 at 8:38 PM, SHaYap said:

A Japanese tourist I met while she was visiting called it the basic foundations of PTSD, said she was a psychology professor back in Japan, I don't know all that much about it to know what she was going on about and frankly, my Nippon and her English couldn't tell when we were joking around or serious. 

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Personally, it's one of those "ignorance is bliss " moments for me. One of my fondest memory from school was that little tale of the city kids visiting the fisherman, I used to go fishing a lot back then and lived near a fishing village, made many lifelong friends. 

Anyways, the story goes... 

The old fisherman was asked about his family and replied, "my father was lost at sea, two of my sons was never found and so too my brother and three of his sons... "

So one city kid asked, "why do you still go out to sea?"

The kids was in turn asked, do you know of anyone who has died, did they die laying on the bed? 

Why do you still sleep on a bed every night? 

I don't think teachers are allowed to expend such life lessons today

 

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Fear is so easy to belittle in others, not so easy when one is experiencing it, personally. Old age makes one more whimsical than wise. 

[SHaYap]

46 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Fear is so easy to belittle in others, not so easy when one is experiencing it, personally. Old age makes one more whimsical than wise. 

Feeling belittled is a choice, and very much overrated.

Frankly, whimsical is too haughty for the likes of myself, I rather lose my impetus at quaint... 

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[+Hammerclaw]

5 hours ago, SHaYap said:

Feeling belittled is a choice, and very much overrated.

Frankly, whimsical is too haughty for the likes of myself, I rather lose my impetus at quaint... 

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An old tea service is quaint and invisible wounds never truly heal.

[docyabut2]

There are many books in the bible and not in its order:( 

[docyabut2]

Just like the end of the bible gives a curse  do not add  or a   take away is a  copy right, they added to all stories, of the ancient  stories.

Edited September 18, 2022 by docyabut2

[SHaYap]

7 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

An old tea service is quaint

Well... If we're going to play dress up, at least get the old girl to shave her legs... 

7 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

and invisible wounds never truly heal.

Right you are, especially the imaginary ones... Nasty business that, made Freud blame his mommy too

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[+joc]

14 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Old age makes one more whimsical than wise. 

Old age is something that happens to those who don't die in the interim.   Wisdom is something either acquired,  or not, along the journey . Old age does not make one wise...but wisdom can lead to old age. 

[+Hammerclaw]

51 minutes ago, SHaYap said:

Well... If we're going to play dress up, at least get the old girl to shave her legs... 

You should be happy if she remembers to shave her chopsticks; splinters are killers.

 

52 minutes ago, SHaYap said:

Right you are, especially the imaginary ones... Nasty business that, made Freud blame his mommy too

Everything's imaginary; sensory input only manifests itself in your head. The problem with pain, is it hurts like hell.

[+Hammerclaw]

26 minutes ago, joc said:

Old age is something that happens to those who don't die in the interim.   Wisdom is something either acquired,  or not, along the journey

Wisdom consists of facts that survive the crucible of time, unchanged.

 

26 minutes ago, joc said:

Old age does not make one wise...but wisdom can lead to old age. 

All an old person is, is a young person who got old. You know you're old when you stop looking forward to life and find yourself, more and more, looking back.

Edited September 19, 2022 by Hammerclaw

[SHaYap]

1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said:

You should be happy if she remembers to shave her chopsticks;

Pervert... 

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1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said:

splinters are killers.

Maybe try plastic crucifixes? But then again, you've missed the point entirely... 

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1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said:

Everything's imaginary; sensory input only manifests itself in your head.

I beg your pardon? You're echoing too much, try lowering the knob on the reverb... 

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1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said:

The problem with pain, is it hurts like hell.

Ahhhh... You make it hurt so good... 

Take this cup away from me, please... 

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[+Hammerclaw]

16 minutes ago, SHaYap said:

Maybe try plastic crucifixes? But then again, you've missed the point entirely... 

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I was the point, first in, first out, before your time, before you were but a twinkle in your father's eye.

 

16 minutes ago, SHaYap said:

I beg your pardon? You're echoing too much, try lowering the knob on the reverb...

Well, life's like an hourglass glued to the table.

 

16 minutes ago, SHaYap said:

Ahhhh... You make it hurt so good... 

Take this cup away from me, please... 

No pain, no gain, Laoban.

Edited September 19, 2022 by Hammerclaw

[SHaYap]

40 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

I was the point, first in, first out, before your time, before you were but a twinkle in your father's eye.

Pontificating in and outs with unobservant a priori points... Beware the bonfire of vanities... 

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40 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Well, life's like an hourglass glued to the table.

Short term disability never reduces the reliable alternative ... The ever trusty Sundial, just don't glue it under the shade 

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40 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

No pain, no gain, Laoban.

Hell and back? 

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[+Hammerclaw]

1 hour ago, SHaYap said:

Pontificating in and outs with unobservant a priori points... Beware the bonfire of vanities...

Don't worry, I won't circle to close to your flame.

 

1 hour ago, SHaYap said:

Short term disability never reduces the reliable alternative ... The ever trusty Sundial, just don't glue it under the shade

No device extends your allotted time. There's nothing more reliable than death.

 

1 hour ago, SHaYap said:

Hell and back? 

 

The only Hell is the one you take with you.

[SHaYap]

7 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Don't worry, I won't circle to close to your flame.

Needs a retune then, try 432hz

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7 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

 

No device extends your allotted time. There's nothing more reliable than death.

YHWH guarantee of warranty... Nice 

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7 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

The only Hell is the one you take with you.

Or putting it another way... 

Heaven is a place on earth... 

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[+Hammerclaw]

2 hours ago, SHaYap said:

Needs a retune then, try 432hz

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YHWH guarantee of warranty... Nice 

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Or putting it another way... 

Heaven is a place on earth... 

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Yes, the Kingdom of Heaven is spread out upon the face of the Earth, but men do not see it. Well, out of the mouths of babes and sucklings, thou hast perfected praise. Finally, you show so promise, young Padawan.