Skeletons in the closet

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[Abramelin]

19 hours ago, Piney said:

So what did the people who built them call them and why would they change their own term? 

Who knows? Maybe the Phoenicians told/showed them how to protect themselves from floods and such. The oldest dikes in The Netherlands of which they found the remnants date from a couple of centuries bc.

Edited May 2, 2023 by Abramelin

[Essan]

19 hours ago, Piney said:

So what did the people who built them call them and why would they change their own term? 

They called they dikes, originating from from Old English dīc dike, ditch; or Middle High German tīch pond, dike.    The term originally referring to the channel dug into the ground, but over time also being referred to the embankment alongside made from the excavated soil.  

The word has nothing to do with dayak.   Or dog

[Abramelin]

11 minutes ago, Essan said:

They called they dikes, originating from from Old English dīc dike, ditch; or Middle High German tīch pond, dike.    The term originally referring to the channel dug into the ground, but over time also being referred to the embankment alongside made from the excavated soil.  

The word has nothing to do with dayak.   Or dog

It's "dayeq/dayek"and it's written sources are older than anything Germanic.

[Essan]

6 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

It's "dayeq/dayek"and it's written sources are older than anything Germanic.

Which doesn't mean a channel dug in the ground, isn't the origin of tīch, sounds nothing like tīch, and isn't why the Dutch these days call their sea defences dikes.

[Piney]

3 hours ago, Abramelin said:

Who knows? Maybe the Phoenicians told/showed them how to protect themselves from floods and such. The oldest dikes in The Netherlands of which they found the remnants date from a couple of centuries bc.

Now your getting downright silly, not that your theory isn't ridiculous to begin with. 

Why would a maritime culture need outside help to build seawalls? 

 

[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, Essan said:

Which doesn't mean a channel dug in the ground, isn't the origin of tīch, sounds nothing like tīch, and isn't why the Dutch these days call their sea defences dikes.

I know the Dutch and English etymology sites, believe me.

But the farther back in time, the more unsure those etymologies become; more like 'educated guesses'.

And - I almost wanted to say "of course" - because no linguist even thinks about taking into account the probable influence of visiting semitic sailors.

The tenacity with wich Phoenicians sailed the seas in search for merchandise or for the source of known merchandise convinces me they visited the North Sea, at the latest, several centuries BCE.

[Abramelin]

7 minutes ago, Piney said:

Now your getting downright silly, not that your theory isn't ridiculous to begin with. 

Why would a maritime culture need outside help to build seawalls? 

 

My theory isn't ridiculous, it's just that I can't prove it yet.

A "maritime culture"? Yep, some Germanic/Celtic tribes living in the Low Lands (Flanders, Netherlands, NW-Germany, Denmark) had a maritime culture. The Chaucians and Frisii together regularly raided the west coasts of Europe during Roman times and many ages before the Vikings.

But others were described by Pliny as poor suckers trying to survive the many floods and the harsh landscape. And that they were living on "terps", artificial mounds.

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Abramelin said:

My theory isn't ridiculous, it's just that I can't prove it yet.

A "maritime culture"? Yep, some Germanic/Celtic tribes living in the Low Lands (Flanders, Netherlands, NW-Germany, Denmark) had a maritime culture. The Chaucians and Frisii together regularly raided the west coasts of Europe during Roman times and many ages before the Vikings.

But others were described by Pliny as poor suckers trying to survive the many floods and the harsh landscape. And that they were living on "terps", artificial mounds.

And you never will. 

The Northern Scandinavians were whalers since prehistory who had a highly developed maritime culture. As with the Finnish groups around Estonia. 

[Abramelin]

5 minutes ago, Piney said:

And you never will. 

The Northern Scandinavians were whalers since prehistory who had a highly developed maritime culture. As with the Finnish groups around Estonia. 

I know. But these Scandinavians didn't need any dikes, heh.

The LOW lands did.

[Piney]

3 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

I know. But these Scandinavians didn't need any dikes, heh.

The LOW lands did.

And your not fluent in the languages your comparing and only "conversational" in English. When you read, write and speak Punic and it's ancestors then you can make comparisons.

I'm "conversational" in 4 non-Indo European languages. I'm familiar with the proto language of 2. I can partially understand 2 related languages but won't attempt a relationship history. But I'm not fluent in any of them let alone a linguist. 

One linguist has pointed out relationships with other languages but since I don't understand the science behind the structural development, I don't. 

Then for a substrate to happen those languages have to merge with 2 large populations. Your only showing possible loan words with "lego linguistics" and there is no way a large group of Phoenicians migrated to the North.

Venemen is going by his lame brained theory that the Atlantic Megalithic Culture was Semitic, which everyone else think is stupid and genetics shows is false.

Google "Nobel disease" and see how many brilliant academics come up with pure idiot ideas.

 

 

[Abramelin]

5 minutes ago, Piney said:

1. And your not fluent in the languages your comparing and only "conversational" in English. When you read, write and speak Punic and it's ancestors then you can make comparisons.

2. I'm "conversational" in 4 non-Indo European languages. I'm familiar with the proto language of 2. I can partially understand 2 related languages but won't attempt a relationship history. But I'm not fluent in any of them let alone a linguist. 

3. One linguist has pointed out relationships with other languages but since I don't understand the science behind the structural development, I don't. 

4. Then for a substrate to happen those languages have to merge with 2 large populations. Your only showing possible loan words with "lego linguistics" and there is no way a large group of Phoenicians migrated to the North.

5. Venemen is going by his lame brained theory that the Atlantic Megalithic Culture was Semitic, which everyone else think is stupid and genetics shows is false.

6. Google "Nobel disease" and see how many brilliant academics come up with pure idiot ideas.

1. Great. I google. I use online dictionaries of fi. Akkadian/Assyrian and Punic and Phoenician. And, of course, Hebrew.

2. You never showed anything like you claim.

I never claimed anything like that. That would have been me being arrogant.

3. Please refrase that sentence because I think something went wrong.

4. I.have shown you lots more than "lego linguistics", like links to books you refuse to read.

5. Vennemann left that theory long ago, and now only goes for Punic influence on Germanic (and Island Celtic) languages.

6. I don't have to, I already know.

[Abramelin]

Btw., a related thread I once started:

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/361764-the-cananefates/#comments

 

[Piney]

26 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

1. Great. I google. I use online dictionaries of fi. Akkadian/Assyrian and Punic and Phoenician. And, of course, Hebrew.

2. You never showed anything like you claim.

I never claimed anything like that. That would have been me being arrogant.

3. Please refrase that sentence because I think something went wrong.

4. I.have shown you lots more than "lego linguistics", like links to books you refuse to read.

5. Vennemann left that theory long ago, and now only goes for Punic influence on Germanic (and Island Celtic) languages.

6. I don't have to, I already know.

2.Naabii kii haachii? Maata. Toktaa kii. Kii Swaanuhk.

Lemwe we sk'hak ami k eh lowe ne ye Yengi wemi mwe.

Ni suyuho Oglalakhacha? 

3. A relationship between Algonquian, Nivkh and Manchu.

Geezus Christ! Writing Indian with autocorrect sucks!!!!! 

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Piney
manchu

[Piney]

7 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Btw., a related thread I once started:

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/361764-the-cananefates/#comments

 

I think I showed you "canoo" was Arawak Taino and borrowed by the Spanish.

I also think your confusing "substrate", which I hardly comprehend with "loan words".

[Abramelin]

2 minutes ago, Piney said:

I think I showed you "canoo" was Arawak Taino and borrowed by the Spanish.

I also think your confusing "substrate", which I hardly comprehend with "loan words".

I think I showed you the word "kano" in the meaning of 'boat' was already present in Germanic long before Columbus' visit to the Americas.

 

[Piney]

Just now, Abramelin said:

I think I showed you the word "kano" in the meaning of 'boat' was already present in Germanic long before Columbus' visit to the Americas.

 

Show me again Swaanuhk ( Dutchman). I forgot.

[Abramelin]

13 minutes ago, Piney said:

2.Naabii kii haachii? Maata. Toktaa kii. Kii Swaanuhk.

Lemwe we sk'hak ami k eh lowe ne ye Yengi wemi mwe.

Ni suyuho Oglalakhacha? 

3. A relationship between Algonquian, Nivkh and Manchu.

Geezus Christ! Writing Indian with autocorrect sucks!!!!! 

 

The only word I recognized was "Oglala". A tribal name, right?

[Abramelin]

Just now, Piney said:

Show me again Swaanuhk ( Dutchman). I forgot.

Read the thread I linked to.

[Piney]

2 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

The only word I recognized was "Oglala". A tribal name, right?

Yup.

The phrases in order are.

Speak Algonquian? Nope, you don't. Your Dutch.

Algonquian proper

Long ago the ancestor told us the Yankees would **** all over us

Southern Unami

Do you remember Lakota?

Oglala

[Abramelin]

29 minutes ago, Piney said:

3. A relationship between Algonquian, Nivkh and Manchu.

Geezus Christ! Writing Indian with autocorrect sucks!!!!! 

3. I remember I once started a thread about refugees from Dchengiz Khan. These people were called the Xi. They sailed along the northern Pacific, and arrived in North America.

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Don't use autocorrect. Only fools and idiots use it. And you're no idiot.

[Piney]

16 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

3. I remember I once started a thread about refugees from Dchengiz Khan. These people were called the Xi. They sailed along the northern Pacific, and arrived in North America.

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Don't use autocorrect. Only fools and idiots use it. And you're no idiot.

I can't shut it off. 

Xi or Di just means "savage" or "barbarian". I have to look that up because there are similarities between one Chinese ethnic group and the Northwest Coast Culture.

[Abramelin]

17 minutes ago, Piney said:

I can't shut it off. 

Use Notebook or something similar simple.

[Abramelin]

Hmmm... we're drifting further and further away from the topic.

It happens with every goddamn thread I start.

 

[Piney]

On 5/2/2023 at 1:44 PM, Abramelin said:

My theory isn't ridiculous, it's just that I can't prove it yet.

A "maritime culture"? Yep, some Germanic/Celtic tribes living in the Low Lands (Flanders, Netherlands, NW-Germany, Denmark) had a maritime culture. The Chaucians and Frisii together regularly raided the west coasts of Europe during Roman times and many ages before the Vikings.

But others were described by Pliny as poor suckers trying to survive the many floods and the harsh landscape. And that they were living on "terps", artificial mounds.

 Hayim Sheynin, a Jewish linguist has real good critical reviews of Vennemann called 'Indo-European, Old European, and Afrasian or Contra Vennemann' and 'Rezension von Vennemann'.

This came from the U. of Penn from a personal communication with one of the Jewish scholars so you might have to hunt around for them online.