Skeletons in the closet

[Piney]

1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

Yeah, it is said Iberians settled in Sardinia.

Even their legends (or better: the Greek ones) say so: Norax, son of Geryon.

Edited to add:

"Nora" is a city in Sardinia.

And then we also have the Nuraghian culture.

And they are also related to the Corsicans.

[Abramelin]

16 minutes ago, Piney said:

And they are also related to the Corsicans.

No, as far as I learned, the Corsicans are related to the Etruscans.

But yes, at some point in time the Sardinians invaded Corsica.

Edited to add:

That invasion happened around 1200 bce.

Btw.: I don't have links. I am digging up from memory.

Edited July 12, 2022 by Abramelin

[Piney]

1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

Ok, please tell me if I get it right: are you saying there is proof Basque sailors discovered the Americas before Columbus and his gang?

No, about the same time.

 

21 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

And what is your theory?

They are the descendants of Anatolian farmers who were also sailors and ruled by women.

55 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Do you have links?

Not online

Search Academia for Herbert Kraft, archeologist.

55 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

For those still interested: we are going WAY off topic.

Sorry.

Edited to add:

This thread is, or is supposed to be, about  a Semitic influence on the proto-Germanic language.

There is none.

All I saw was a lot of "mass comparison". You can do that with Celtic and Japanese and find a "relationship". Morons have done just that.

I can also show you a "relationship" between Manchu and Algonquian which was thrown out there when it was discovered we have common ancestors.

But, I trying to find a post covid mechanic for our Isuzu Npr which is our log truck and was told we our losing our Apache logger who is headed back to Mexico because he's tired of the racism from the Trump dickwads so I'm busy and p***ed off.

Everybody else is fighting fires, so I'm in the woods come Fall.....probably with some amateur ......or with just the wife on the machine.......and I don’t have the health. 

[Abramelin]

3 minutes ago, Piney said:

But, I trying to find a post covid mechanic for our Isuzu Npr which is our log truck and was told we our losing our Apache logger who is headed back to Mexico because he's tired of the racism from the Trump dickwads so I'm busy and p***ed off.

Everybody else is fighting fires, so I'm in the woods come Fall.....probably with some amateur ......or with just the wife on the machine.......and I don’t have the health. 

Man, I wish you strenght and wisdom.

We'll continue this conversation later on.

Be well.

[Piney]

10 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

No, as far as I learned, the Corsicans are related to the Etruscans.

But yes, at some point in time the Sardinians invaded Corsica.

Edited to add:

That invasion happened around 1200 bce.

Btw.: I don't have links. I am digging up from memory.

They aren't sure if it's Ligurian because some toponyms are not IE.

[Piney]

2 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Man, I wish you strenght and wisdom.

We'll continue this conversation later on.

Be well.

I was hoping to spend my elder days being the company scientist and the wife's office boy.........

[Abramelin]

Some possible Phoenician/Punic names in Britain and Ireland

https://beyond.britannica.com/did-the-ancient-phoenicians-reach-cornwall

[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, Abramelin said:

Some possible Phoenician/Punic names in Britain and Ireland

https://beyond.britannica.com/did-the-ancient-phoenicians-reach-cornwall

Show me what you found so funny about this post, @smokeycat

[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, Abramelin said:

Some possible Phoenician/Punic names in Britain and Ireland

Quote:

"Phoenician/Punic etymologies are also available for both of these major island-names, giving the ‘tin land’ (pretan, ‘tin’) for Britain (*Pritan-) and the ‘copper island’ (*’i: weriju:, ‘island of copper’) for Éire/Ireland (*Īweryon), and that Richard Coates has argued that these suggestions cannot be casually dismissed, especially in light of the likely presence of other Proto-Semitic/Punic island- and coastal-names in the British Isles. Indeed, the fact that the suggested Phoenician/Punic roots of these two names would actually complement each other remarkably well and are, moreover, semantically credible—making reference to key material resources that were certainly available and exported from these islands in the pre-Roman period—would seem to be at least notable"

[Abramelin]

I know Piney doesn't like it, this suggestion that Semites may have had some linguistical influence on the Germanic languages - which English is one of - but I know his objection to this idea is based on the 19th century fantasy that the people from England, Wales and Scotland were descendants of the Lost Tribes from Israel (check the BritAm site).

Again I say: this is about language, not 'race'. I hope that much is clear by now.

Edited to add link:

https://www.britam.org/

Edited August 19, 2022 by Abramelin

[Piney]

On 8/19/2022 at 2:49 PM, Abramelin said:

Quote:

"Phoenician/Punic etymologies are also available for both of these major island-names, giving the ‘tin land’ (pretan, ‘tin’) for Britain (*Pritan-) and the ‘copper island’ (*’i: weriju:, ‘island of copper’) for Éire/Ireland (*Īweryon), and that Richard Coates has argued that these suggestions cannot be casually dismissed, especially in light of the likely presence of other Proto-Semitic/Punic island- and coastal-names in the British Isles. Indeed, the fact that the suggested Phoenician/Punic roots of these two names would actually complement each other remarkably well and are, moreover, semantically credible—making reference to key material resources that were certainly available and exported from these islands in the pre-Roman period—would seem to be at least notable"

Pritani " People of the forms" ie. painted people and it was a Celtic term from the proto-Celtic Kwrit (shape, form) and a ajectival suffix ani.

[Abramelin]

14 minutes ago, Piney said:

Pritani " People of the forms" ie. painted people and it was a Celtic term from the proto-Celtic Kwrit (shape, form) and a ajectival suffix ani.

Yes, that is the generally accepted way of explaining the name.

But during those times many (Celtic) tribes painted themselves, and none of these got the same name.

The 'Phoenician explanation' seems quite logical to me.

Check this link I posted before:

https://www.caitlingreen.org/2015/04/thanet-tanit-and-the-phoenicians.html?m=1

and notice the concentration of Punic coins in Kent:

It's Kent, but it's actually the former Isle of Thanet.

 

Edited August 21, 2022 by Abramelin

[Piney]

1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

Yes, that is the generally accepted way of explaining the name.

But during those times many (Celtic) tribes painted themselves, and none of these got the same name.

The 'Phoenician explanation' seems quite logical to me.

Check this link I posted before:

https://www.caitlingreen.org/2015/04/thanet-tanit-and-the-phoenicians.html?m=1

and notice the concentration of Punic coins in Kent:

It's Kent, but it's actually the former Isle of Thanet.

 

My problem is if they left that much of a linguistic influence. They would of left a large physical and cultural footprint. 

The Roman cultural stamp never left even after the Germanic invasion. Roman ruins and artifacts are everywhere.

The Greeks even left a physical and cultural stamp on the people and places of Northern India. 

[Abramelin]

30 minutes ago, Piney said:

My problem is if they left that much of a linguistic influence. They would of left a large physical and cultural footprint. 

Why?

They were traders. Maybe they had no desire to mix with the locals. And, btw., according to Vennemann, they influenced the Nordic pantheon, and introduced their way of writing : the future runes.

[Piney]

20 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Why?

They were traders. Maybe they had no desire to mix with the locals. And, btw., according to Vennemann, they influenced the Nordic pantheon, and introduced their way of writing : the future runes.

The Turks introduced the runes. 

[Abramelin]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

The Turks introduced the runes. 

Heh, that was AGES past the moment the Nordics started with their runes.

[Piney]

43 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Heh, that was AGES past the moment the Nordics started with their runes.

We'll see.

I have to go back over some papers.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

On 7/12/2022 at 3:17 PM, Piney said:

I was hoping to spend my elder days being the company scientist and the wife's office boy.........

All the best to you, Piney

[Piney]

11 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

All the best to you, Piney

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[+joc]

4 hours ago, Piney said:

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.........I'm dreaming......

...it's like dancing with a widow maker 40 hours a week...

I consider anyone who can operate any or all of that...Super Man!  

 

 

[Piney]

18 hours ago, Abramelin said:

Heh, that was AGES past the moment the Nordics started with their runes.

Your right. There is only a superficial similarity. It's been now determined they have different origins.

*I have to stop reading Hungarian nationalist crap* 

[Abramelin]

3 hours ago, Piney said:

Your right. There is only a superficial similarity. It's been now determined they have different origins.

*I have to stop reading Hungarian nationalist crap* 

I know what you mean. And it's the same with Gok/Gök- turk.

[Piney]

25 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

I know what you mean. And it's the same with Gok/Gök- turk.

I was thinking of the Orkon Pillars and the very thing. 

[Abramelin]

30 minutes ago, Piney said:

I was thinking of the Orkon Pillars and the very thing. 

Never heard of those pillars.

Btw., the "Rus", that's the Vikings as they were known along the Volga, may have encountered Turkish tribes.

These Turkish tribes may have got inspired by the runes the Vikings used.

 

[Abramelin]

But let's get back on topic.

The suggestion is that some Semitic language influenced the proto-Germanic language (see Vennemann & Mailhammer and others).

It is said a Semitic language was the 'lingua franca' in the eastern Mediterranean.

Some linguists think the Minoans spoke a Semitic language (Best, Gordon, Woudhuizen, others).

*I* think, now, that they used Semitic, the lingua franca back then, whenever they encountered a new tribe/people.

Like I, as the Dutch guy I am, use English when abroad.