European Workers Protest

[Amita]

Little coverage in USA big media, but leftist rulers in Europe are far less popular now:

https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/15/heres-why-the-media-dont-want-you-to-know-about-the-massive-protests-going-on-around-the-globe/

Discontent with left-wing policy failures is triggering massive protests all over the world. Just don’t expect to read all about it in the New York Times.

Edited July 18, 2022 by Amita

[+Desertrat56]

In Europe is "left wing" liberal or conservative?  Why can't people just use better descriptive words?   Left and right mean different hings to different people.

[Amita]

18 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

In Europe is "left wing" liberal or conservative?  Why can't people just use better descriptive words?   Left and right mean different hings to different people.

True, but main point is the populace is suffering from the policies of their rulers and are saying enough.

Edited July 18, 2022 by Amita

[+Desertrat56]

16 minutes ago, Amita said:

True, but main point is the populace is suffering from the policies of their rulers and are saying enough.

I just asked because using right and left means nothing in the context of the story.

[odas]

France: center right ruling party

UK: center right

Spain: center right

Austria: center right

Croatia: center slight right

Slovakia: center right

Poland: center right

Hungary: center hard right

Italy: center right

Czech republic: center right

Germany: center left just took over after 15 inish year.

No protests: 

Portugal: center left

Denmark: center left

Sweden: center slight left

Norway: center slight left

 

So, where are the protests in leftist countries again?

[+Desertrat56]

12 minutes ago, odas said:

France: center right ruling party

UK: center right

Spain: center right

Austria: center right

Croatia: center slight right

Slovakia: center right

Poland: center right

Hungary: center hard right

Italy: center right

Czech republic: center right

Germany: center left just took over after 15 inish year.

No protests: 

Portugal: center left

Denmark: center left

Sweden: center slight left

Norway: center slight left

 

So, where are the protests in leftist countries again?

But you don't say which is left and which is right.   Which is conservative and which is liberal?

[odas]

Also from the artcle:

Thousands of workers protest in leftist??? Kazahstan ( ruled by a dictator), protests in leftist?????? Iran, don't even have to tell who rules it, India... hard hard right, but still left??? according to the federalist?????

Oh god, such an educated newscast.

[+OverSword]

58 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

In Europe is "left wing" liberal or conservative?  Why can't people just use better descriptive words?   Left and right mean different hings to different people.

I disagree.  In the simplest terms left is socialist and right is free market, so what they are protesting is socialist policies.  

[+OverSword]

The Federalist is rated at media bias fact check below so this article should by no means be seen as being neutral.  @Amita When getting a story from a source like this it's usually good to see if you can find it on other sites as well to confirm it. For example your source says thousands are protesting in Madrid so verifying that helps to authenticate the opinion piece at the federalist.

Edited July 18, 2022 by OverSword

[odas]

3 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

But you don't say which is left and which is right.   Which is conservative and which is liberal?

Same or almost the same like in USA or Canada. In Germany for example the SPD is centre left, the CDU/CSU are center right. Now both parties are really center with a left or right tendency. The FDP is mostly left, the greens are further left and the AFD is far right.

Most of the european countries are ruled by a joint party system unlike in the USA. No party or mostly no party in europe has a full majority.

Also the term left and right does not have a huge meaning there since most real parties have both, left and right tendencies. Now the communist parties and the nationalistic parties are usually refered to as far left and far right to seperate them from the regular mainstreem parties. Ocassionally they got more votes than expected but it is always a short lived trend.

[Setton]

29 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I disagree.  In the simplest terms left is socialist and right is free market, so what they are protesting is socialist policies.  

Except as shown in post #5, it's actually the right wing policies they're protesting. 

[+Desertrat56]

21 minutes ago, odas said:

Same or almost the same like in USA or Canada. In Germany for example the SPD is centre left, the CDU/CSU are center right. Now both parties are really center with a left or right tendency. The FDP is mostly left, the greens are further left and the AFD is far right.

Most of the european countries are ruled by a joint party system unlike in the USA. No party or mostly no party in europe has a full majority.

Also the term left and right does not have a huge meaning there since most real parties have both, left and right tendencies. Now the communist parties and the nationalistic parties are usually refered to as far left and far right to seperate them from the regular mainstreem parties. Ocassionally they got more votes than expected but it is always a short lived trend.

You are still using left and right,   I am asking you to define that.   It isn't the same in the U.S.  in the U.S. it changes based on who is saying it, or what year it is  (for example the democrats used to be the conservative party)   SO, again, is left conservative and right liberal?

[+OverSword]

4 minutes ago, Setton said:

Except as shown in post #5, it's actually the right wing policies they're protesting. 

Whatever, doesn't change my definition.  But post 5 does not show that.  It shows without any reference how the governments leans but that does not mean all of the policies are in line with that.

Edited July 18, 2022 by OverSword

[odas]

3 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

You are still using left and right,   I am asking you to define that.   It isn't the same in the U.S.  in the U.S. it changes based on who is saying it, or what year it is  (for example the democrats used to be the conservative party)   SO, again, is left conservative and right liberal?

Oh ok the left would be the libs/dems and the right the cons/reps.

[+Desertrat56]

2 minutes ago, odas said:

Oh ok the left would be the libs/dems and the right the cons/reps.

Ok.  Thank you.

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, odas said:

Oh ok the left would be the libs/dems and the right the cons/reps.

I disagree on how the liberal and conservative are defined.  I am a liberal IMO.  Left and right is more accurate, especially when it comes to economic policy or philosophy.

[odas]

10 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Whatever, doesn't change my definition.

Irrelevant of your defenition, the protests are mainly in the center right/conservative led countries. To add - according to the news artcle

Now, one has to understand that unlike in the USA most people do not vote right or left hardcore. They weigh in their pros and cons and then put their vote in. Country over party.

Edited July 18, 2022 by odas
Added: according to the newsarticle

[odas]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

I disagree on how the liberal and conservative are defined.  I am a liberal IMO.  Left and right is more accurate, especially when it comes to economic policy or philosophy.

Undrerstood but different countries different perceptions. That is why in most european countries it really does not matter too much what the prefix of a center party is. Not much difference. Some will protest either way.

[+Desertrat56]

5 minutes ago, odas said:

Irrelevant of your defenition, the protests are mainly in the center right/conservative led countries.

Now, one has to understand that unlike in the USA most people do not vote right or left hardcore. They weigh in their pros and cons and then put their vote in. Country over party.

Contrary to what is implied by the media, most people in the U.S. do not vote hard liberal or hard conservative either.    The majority weigh in their pros and cons and then put their vote in.  The difference is the structure of our government and that the elections are rigged in a way that at least 40% of us do not get to choose who is put on the ballot (we have to choose a party in order to get to vote in the primary elections, which decide who will be on the ballot for the actual election).   

Edited July 18, 2022 by Desertrat56

[+OverSword]

3 minutes ago, odas said:

Undrerstood but different countries different perceptions. That is why in most european countries it really does not matter too much what the prefix of a center party is. Not much difference. Some will protest either way.

You assumed that it's right wing policies that are being protested without checking.  As I said to @Amita you have to get additional information to back it up sometimes:

Quote

 

Tens of thousands gathered in Madrid on Sunday to protest Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez’s plan to ease tensions with Catalan separatists, in a demonstration uniting the leaders of conservative and far-right parties.

The protests of an estimated 45,000 people marked the first time that the leaders of the conservative Popular Party (PP), centrist Ciudadanos and far-right Vox were photographed together, El País reported.

Protesters accused Sánchez of “stabbing [Spain] in the back” and called for a snap election because of his government’s decision to accept a long-held demand of Catalan secessionists to appoint a facilitator in talks between pro-independence and pro-unity political parties.

 

Link

See, it is the right wing protesting in that case, not left.  Feel free to look up the other protests listed in the OP.  I'm done. 

Edited July 18, 2022 by OverSword

[odas]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

You assumed that it's right wing policies that are being protested without checking.  As I said to @Amita you have to get additional information to back it up sometimes:

Link

See, it is the right wing protesting, not left.

That is what I tried to tell. The original post plus the news article are in stark contrast. Make no sense whatever.

[odas]

6 minutes ago, OverSword said:

You assumed that it's right wing policies that are being protested without checking.  As I said to @Amita you have to get additional information to back it up sometimes:

Link

See, it is the right wing protesting in that case, not left.  Feel free to look up the other protests listed in the OP.  I'm done. 

No you are not. 

Amita's post wanted us to believe that all those people protesting are protesting in leftist countries angainst the leftist rulers. Nowhere did he/she mention why, the different reasons....and as it turns out the protests are mainly in countries that are ruled by the right leaning parties.

So, in order to come here and blame me you should rather read the original OP.

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, odas said:

No you are not. 

Amita's post wanted us to believe that all those people protesting are protesting in leftist countries angainst the leftist rulers. Nowhere did he/she mention why, the different reasons....and as it turns out the protests are mainly in countries that are ruled by the right leaning parties.

So, in order to come here and blame me you should rather read the original OP.

Yes, that was my point when I addressed the OP, there is no details or sources given and there needs to be,  It's basically an opinion piece the way it was written.  That's probably why media bias fact check gives them a low score I think.

[+Desertrat56]

10 minutes ago, odas said:

That is what I tried to tell. The original post plus the news article are in stark contrast. Make no sense whatever.

Which is why I asked what left and right mean.

[odas]

Just now, Desertrat56 said:

Which is why I asked what left and right mean.

I know. I had the same issue when I got enlisted in the army. Took me a while to catch up marching with the right foot.