Should Trump be Prosecuted?

[preacherman76]

6 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

I appreciate you may feel you are being helpful in saying this, helping a non-American understand things from your perspective. However, maybe this is a failing in the written communication of a public forum, but it doesn't come across as if you are being helpful. It's great to hear your perspective and your opinion, and I appreciate that as one approach from a world view such as yours. However, you cannot possibly speak for all Americans. Other Americans would fundamentally disagree with you, and their opinion isn't invalidated by not living in your country. Thus when I form an opinion based on listening to Americans speak about their country, I do not think it is invalid. 

 Furthermore, it seems that in other contexts you seem to approve of non-Americans speaking up about American issues. You praised them for being willing to speak out even when told to stay quiet because they weren't American - "embody the American spirit in the face of adversity" were your precise words, when discussing "national issues of morality that are viewed worldwide" (Donald Trump, and particularly the January 6 riots and election fraud claims definitely fit into that category of national issues of morality that are viewed worldwide, in my humble opinion)! 

Thus it appears a touch hypocritical if you praise an Aussie (who agrees with you politically) on one hand for speaking about American issues, and then disqualify another Aussie (who happens to have a different political view) under a strange notion that they don't live in your country.  

 

 

[Tatetopa]

11 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

No offence, Tale, but if i'll start posting with long winded posts, I can guarantee, you will ask for me being banned.

No offense taken.  

[Grim Reaper 6]

6 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

I appreciate you may feel you are being helpful in saying this, helping a non-American understand things from your perspective. However, maybe this is a failing in the written communication of a public forum, but it doesn't come across as if you are being helpful. It's great to hear your perspective and your opinion, and I appreciate that as one approach from a world view such as yours. However, you cannot possibly speak for all Americans. Other Americans would fundamentally disagree with you, and their opinion isn't invalidated by not living in your country. Thus when I form an opinion based on listening to Americans speak about their country, I do not think it is invalid

Thank you very much I appreciate your response, however I say exactly what I mean I neverr pull punches and yes like I said your views amount my description especially now that he indiscretions, his associations with criminal elements, and he completel lack of commitment to the constitution  is beyond incomprehensible. You would certainly be surprised at the number of Americans who where mislead and have come to the realization that they were foolish. You see an it’s heartbreaking to me that the American people have changed the way they choose a POTIS, over the last 30 year people stopped doing their do diligence and started just voting with their political party. What amazing about that is factThat politicaian 

6 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

 Furthermore, it seems that in other contexts you seem to approve of non-Americans speaking up about American issues. You praised them for being willing to speak out even when told to stay quiet because they weren't American - "embody the American spirit in the face of adversity" were your precise words, when discussing "national issues of morality that are viewed worldwide" (Donald Trump, and particularly the January 6 riots and election fraud claims definitely fit into that category of national issues of morality that are viewed worldwide, in my humble opinion)! 

Thus it appears a touch hypocritical if you praise an Aussie (who agrees with you politically) on one hand for speaking about American issues, and then disqualify another Aussie (who happens to have a different political view) under a strange notion that they don't live in your country

Well your welcome to your opinion but just like I said, and just like have proven you have ABSOLUTELY no idea about Trumps past from the 1960 s to date. I was certain of it and you have Completely prove it by avoided my question. I quote from my original post above that you responded  to””you disagree I can prove by asking you simple questions that you must answer with in a single minute by reply. I researched him all the way back to the 1960s when it became clear he would run for President. He first stated his intentions in 2012.””

The reason I didn’t respond to your opinion above is because content that is posted above means, Doodly Squat

So please you failed a very simple test which proves your knowledge of Donald Trump is limited to his Presidency, which without knowledge of him and his past it’s impossible to make any informed decision about his integrity, racist behavior, or his criminal life long nature. Anyway thank you for responding.

6 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

 

 

[+Link of Hyrule]

1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

Thank you very much I appreciate your response, however I say exactly what I mean I neverr pull punches and yes like I said your views amount my description especially now that he indiscretions, his associations with criminal elements, and he completel lack of commitment to the constitution  is beyond incomprehensible. You would certainly be surprised at the number of Americans who where mislead and have come to the realization that they were foolish. You see an it’s heartbreaking to me that the American people have changed the way they choose a POTIS, over the last 30 year people stopped doing their do diligence and started just voting with their political party. What amazing about that is factThat politicaian 

A very nice way of sidestepping my comments. Thanks for the discussion, I shall leave you to your opinions  

 

1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

Well your welcome to your opinion but just like I said, and just like have proven you have ABSOLUTELY no idea about Trumps past from the 1960 s to date. I was certain of it and you have Completely prove it by avoided my question. I quote from my original post above that you responded  to””you disagree I can prove by asking you simple questions that you must answer with in a single minute by reply. I researched him all the way back to the 1960s when it became clear he would run for President. He first stated his intentions in 2012.””

The reason I didn’t respond to your opinion above is because content that is posted above means, Doodly Squat

So please you failed a very simple test which proves your knowledge of Donald Trump is limited to his Presidency, which without knowledge of him and his past it’s impossible to make any informed decision about his integrity, racist behavior, or his criminal life long nature. Anyway thank you for responding.

 

 You are one weird dude, Manwon. I didn't address that point because it's irrelevant. As it still is very much a straw man I'm going to leave it there and be done with the discussion. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

Just now, Paranoid Android said:

A very nice way of sidestepping my comments. Thanks for the discussion, I shall leave you to your opinions  

 

 You are one weird dude, Manwon. I didn't address that point because it's irrelevant. As it still is very much a straw man I'm going to leave it there and be done with the discussion. 

I started the conversation! You failed to acknowledge the challenge, it’s clear why and it speaks volumes about your knowledge of the subject!  Your didn’t address the point because your unable too, well anyway your fooling no one, just like your protégé when faced with a situation your unable to address divert attention and hide behind false facts. I expected  more from you, it’s disappointing actually that a grown intelligent man must run from the challenge of as you put a weird dude. However, I am actually laughing at you because I burst you bubble and I have proven that the only thing legandary about your knowledge of this subject only exists between your ears, and you prove it with every lame response, an intelligent man would not even respond, but you couldn’t help yourself!

Carry on!

 

[RavenHawk]

11 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Trump is the champion of a group of Americans, but not our entire country.

He’s champion of the American ideal.  Those Americans that still believe and follow the Constitution and the Founding Fathers.  I think that group is a majority of inclusion.  In fact, I think that legal immigrants are more American than most natural born.  The difference is that the immigrant escaped from a form of government which the youth of this nation are trying to emulate.  That is if you believe the trends and polls.  And considering the feckless policies of the current Administration, there’s no reason not to believe them.

 

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He is the figurehead of the  sedition wing of the Republican party.  These are people who do not care for majority rule if it contradicts their desires. 

Come again?  You talk about Trump being a figurehead and ignore the prick in office now?  That is just rich.  This nation is not a Democracy and perhaps the only one that isn’t.  We are a Constitutional Republic.  In certain situations, we use democratic principles, but we are a nation of laws.  We are a charter of liberty that grants power.  We are a nation of laws because human nature can and does tend to be despotic.  That has been the history of Man, the struggle of man to overcome.  The Founding Fathers finally achieved that.  The ‘Sedition wing’ is the Left and Globalists that want to go down the path of tyranny.  And they are active recruiting useful idiots to tear down this culture.

 

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They wish to return the United States to an era before gay marriage, before birth control, before abortions, before the white majority  felt any challenge to their superiority.

And when was that?  Constitutionalists want to return to the rule of law and break the Left’s tyrannical hold on this country.  There is no need for Fundamental Change. 

Homosexuals make commitments to each other monogamously long before this country was established.  So why do we want to go backward in time?  I don’t think it is the act that Conservatives have an issue with.  Conservatives are probably more tolerant anyway.  What Conservatives have problems with is that the Left is exploiting the homosexual to divide and conquer.  Using the 4 steps of indoctrination to do it.  Steps 1 and 2 are innocuous enough, but the Left pushes for steps 3 and 4 (forcing celebration and participation).  Including participation with our children.  That is immoral.  People have a right to be who and what they are free of discrimination, but people have a responsibility to not force anything on someone else.  That is why we have the courts.

There has been birth control ever since there was birth.  There is a time and place for abortion.  I think that the issue here is designer, on demand and late term abortions.  There is a wide-ranging opinion of when life begins.  We have no set answer.  But the one thing known is that if left alone, the fetus will become a living, breathing human.  So there is a great unknown.  Don’t you think we should be more certain with that before imposing something that is irreversible?  At the very least, leave it up to the individual or state?

You buy into the phony narrative of white supremacy?  Please don’t get supremacy or oppression confused with mere dominance.  The largest representation of the population is white and even within that, there are numerous ethnic makeups.  Dominance does not equate to superiority.  The vast majority of whites could care less what color someone is.  The ones that do are the Left (Marxists) and their identity politics and the Plantation owner (Globalists) and not all of the Plantation owners are white.  These groups are the enemy of our Constitution and our culture.  Our culture is NOT a white culture.  It is an American culture.  It may have begun as a white culture but it quickly morphed from a British to an American and continues to change.

 

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They seem willing to tear the United States apart and destroy the Constitution and resort to violence if necessary rather than  live in a nation their minority does not control.

I think you’ve got the wrong group.  Do you believe that the Constitution is a “Living Document”?  Do you believe that the Bill of Rights are not absolute?  If you’ve said “YES” to one or both, then it is you that is trying to tear apart the country and destroy the Constitution and have already resorted to using violence to do it, using Antifa as a Red Guard and a weaponized government, destroying our culture, laws, borders, society, etc.  Our version of the Four Olds (old customs, old culture, old habits, old ideas).  It’s right out of any dictator’s playbook.  Well, the Constitution is not an old idea.  Natural Rights are not old habits.

 

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Their goals and desires for our nation are clear, and there are many examples around the world.  One need look no further than Russia for a model of  authoritarian control, wealth and power being concentrated in oligarch elites, a servile class devoted to serving the oligarchs and authoritarians and no benefits for the working class from the richest economy the world has ever seen. Even though they helped build it.  That is what Trump and his seditionists wish to bring about.  

And you are describing the Left.  It is the Left that wants to follow the world, which means some flavor of Socialism.  That is counter to the American way of life.  The Left must get rid of the Constitution, in order to model this country after the CCP.  Too many of our leadership admire Mao rather than Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Adams, et al.  Trump’s actions have been the opposite, preserving American culture, language, and borders.  Trump has been the only one that has had the strength to take on the tyrants.  And now they are going crazy trying to prevent Trump from running in 2024.  They see the landslide that they will be buried by and they are powerless.  The future is bright for this nation but the danger is still near.  The Globalists will end up defeated, but they won’t go down without a fight.  They will try to grab hold of the rest of us and drag us over the cliff too.  Patriots need to be vigilant.

 

[Golden Duck]

16 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

Really! Simple as that list (numbered) with concise description of the crimes, for example, stole bottle of vodka; stole whole salmon, etc in the form (numbered)

1) stole bottle of vodka;

2) stole whole salmon,

How hard it is to do it?

Unless you aren't sure about the claims. THAT I would understand.

FFS, why are you being so unreasonably petty.

You were given a list of two examples; and, you've just demonstrated you can count to two.

Move on.

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, Paranoid Android said:

A very nice way of sidestepping my comments. Thanks for the discussion, I shall leave you to your opinions  

 

 You are one weird dude, Manwon. I didn't address that point because it's irrelevant. As it still is very much a straw man I'm going to leave it there and be done with the discussion. 

Dude, your laughter only further proves your entire lack of knowledge on the subject, I bet you just kicked a wall and your actually cursing at this very moment! But the reality of the situation is simple, Trump tried to destroy the NATO alliance, he supplied information and supported the Russian cause to over run the Ukraine. If he had been re-elected NATO would not have responded to Putins aggression in Eastern Europe and that’s why Putin in both elections attempted to insure Trumps victory! They had a plan, and it would have been disastrous fir the entire global community. The US Military was completely aware, and so were our European Allie’s, while I am certainly not any fan of Biden, and I know he is an idget at least he isn’t a traitor and a Russian collaborator.  Now please I know you will try along with others to spin this as nonsense, but in doing so your just guilty as Trump was, and your also a conduit for Russian propaganda with that said what does that make you?

Last, the 6 Jan committee is certainly exposing Trumps real intention’s more and more each day. However they refuse to expose the truth about his plans with Putin and his traitorous behavior. Why, because it would be too much of a National embarrassment, in truth it should be exposed and appropriate act taken. Which would consist of Trumps execution, for treason on a level that’s never occurred in the history of America except one other time. This occurred during the Revolutionary War, and the traitor was Benedict Arnold who turned his back on his country in a secret meeting with a top British officials. Just like Arnold sold out the Continental Congress and the military, Trump did the same thing, except on a Global level. So in the United States the penalty for treason is ☠️ and depending upon the state death can be still carried out by firing squad!  That’s what Trump deserves for selling out my country, I wish they would change him, but the National embarrassment prevents that from occurring. So the next best thing that May happen would be a loss of US Citizenship, then he could come live next to you, and you guys could have BQ and discuss his Treason!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[psyche101]

21 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

You would have to prove intent. You would have to prove he knew the project would fall through, and endorsed it anyway. That he intentionally allowed another company using his name ripped people off. Which of course would be ridiculous for him to do. He just wouldn’t, and he compensated those who were hurt. It’s a civil matter, not a crime. 

Did.

A personally signed letter to each investor and a personal video specifically endorsing the project.

Stop being a hypocrite for one post and actually show you give one hoot about real justice. If this was a democratic millionaire you would be livid. Steam coming out your ears. 

21 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

So when are you going to call for the arrests from the millions spend in the Russian probe?Many democrats outright lied about evidence they supposedly saw behind the scenes. Said they knew for a fact that certain things happened that absolutely did not. That actually IS a crime. 

When I see 519 directly attributable to one person in a deliberate act. 

Why can't you discuss the situation at hand? Need to change the subject because you know I'm right? 

Sydney Morning Herald.

[psyche101]

18 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

 

[Tatetopa]

17 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Come again?  You talk about Trump being a figurehead and ignore the prick in office now?  That is just rich. 

First of all, this is a thread about Donald Trump, not Biden.  We have a separate thread for that.  I try to stay on topic.  But you can see how opposed to Trump the majority of voters were.   They were willing to vote for Biden because he wasn't Trump.

    Note to @bmk1245 Too  long don't  read.

 

17 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

We are a Constitutional Republic.  In certain situations, we use democratic principles, but we are a nation of laws.

True,  We are a nation of laws.  The Constitution set out exactly the way elections are supposed to occur and the transition of power to be accomplished.  The Constitution even sets out the means to appeal  if a party thinks the election was unfair.  When Donald Trump strayed from that and began scheming to stay in power, he abandoned the Constitution for personal gain  Donald Trump deceived his followers like a cheap hooker, making promises he did not intend to keep, offering trinkets and preparing to leave them in the dust. They won't even get a hush money payout like Stormy Daniels did.  Some of his followers were duped, some are fully onboard with the lie for their own personal power. Rioters being led by the ex President storming the capital is not acceptable by the Constitution. Read it as it was written and not to a modern desire, and you might find they were trying to protect our own fledgling government from  foreign or domestic tyrannical interference.  Storming the capital fits nicely into that box of domestic tyranny.

Finally a word about numbers and estimates.  Members of the crowd marching to the capital thought they were a million strong.  They were not.  Not even 100,000.   Maybe 10,000 started the march.  Only 2,000 made it into the capital.   I think the same numbers inflation occurs with the  seditionist wing.

Even before Trump showed his colors, there was less than half the population that supported him, and many of them just didn't want a Democrat.   Now the Republican party is divided. A quarter to a third are still conservatives, they still hold Conservative principles of responsible spending, limited government, and faithful adherence to the Constitution.  They will never become Democrats, which is good, but they took their oaths to the country more seriously than Donald Trump.  They will not follow him again.  More likely it will be DeSantis of Haley or someone with more talent and sanity. 

The seditionist wing is still strong in their beliefs, but their numbers are shrinking.

From a Constitutional point of view, Donald Trump might have committed treason.

[Tatetopa]

BTW, we seem to be a free international community on a message board.  Anyone is free to write about any subject as far as I can tell.   In fact, as you can ascertain by reading in other threads, knowledge of the topic is not even required. 

[Katniss]

26 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

 More likely it will be DeSantis of Haley or someone with more talent and sanity. 

I saw on the news yesterday Mike Pence is hinting to everybody about getting into the 2024 election race. Or at least some Republicans are encouraging him to do it. I don't care for any of them, but that would be interesting.

Edited July 23, 2022 by Katniss

[bmk1245]

On 7/22/2022 at 1:29 PM, psyche101 said:

I simply don't understand your post.

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Last one, or helluva ones before?

[bmk1245]

On 7/23/2022 at 2:43 AM, Golden Duck said:

FFS, why are you being so unreasonably petty.

You were given a list of two examples; and, you've just demonstrated you can count to two.

Move on.

NOW I have. Don't get me wrong. I'm not petty, I'm just being srcupulous. Next step, I'll nag about every point asking for which clauses of US criminal law those two points fall. Heck. I'll have to ask: wich laws (clauses) were broken in in these two points;

1) ripped of investors for Baja Condos

2) fraudulently claimed the election was stolen incuring 519 million cost at taxpayer expence.

Don't rush with the answer. Do research.

Or, maybe you are just for a "mob justice"? Wanna burn some witches?

[bmk1245]

On 7/23/2022 at 11:38 AM, psyche101 said:

Sweet irony... How many fingers are pointing back at you?

[Golden Duck]

2 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

NOW I have. Don't get me wrong. I'm not petty, I'm just being srcupulous. Next step, I'll nag about every point asking for which clauses of US criminal law those two points fall. Heck. I'll have to ask: wich laws (clauses) were broken in in these two points;

1) ripped of investors for Baja Condos

2) fraudulently claimed the election was stolen incuring 519 million cost at taxpayer expence.

Don't rush with the answer. Do research.

Or, maybe you are just for a "mob justice"? Wanna burn some witches?

Asking to have the list numbered is petty.

It makes no sense to direct those questions at me.

[bmk1245]

18 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Asking to have the list numbered is petty.

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Nope, not at all. Find any serious case where prosecutors would brush with the wide brush.

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It makes no sense to direct those questions at me.

OK, fair enaugh, just asked.

[Golden Duck]

1 minute ago, bmk1245 said:

Nope, not at all. Find any serious case where prosecutors would brush with the wide brush.

OK, I need to try to say it another way.

You were given a list.  Asking for it to be numbered added no value. It was petty.

[bmk1245]

6 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

OK, I need to try to say it another way.

You were given a list.  Asking for it to be numbered added no value. It was petty.

It adds value, because you can try to mesh/combine those cases, and then claim "Ah, that was just my opinion"

This stuff ain't working with me. hence I asked for specific points (numbered).

[+Desertrat56]

21 hours ago, Katniss said:

I saw on the news yesterday Mike Pence is hinting to everybody about getting into the 2024 election race. Or at least some Republicans are encouraging him to do it. I don't care for any of them, but that would be interesting.

It wouldn't be a surprise to me if he did and if he got the support to get the nomination from the republican party.   I don't like him but he does seem to know what is going on around him.   That would be refreshing or dangerous, not sure which.

[psyche101]

15 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

Last one, or helluva ones before?

I quoted one did I not?

14 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

NOW I have. Don't get me wrong. I'm not petty, 

Nope, you are being petty. Trolling in fact when it comes to the orangutan president.

14 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

Sweet irony... How many fingers are pointing back at you?

None any left overs are for you.

You've got to be freaking kidding me. Preacherman is one of the biggest CT poster on the forum. You've dropped your standards tremendously bmk.

 

[psyche101]

11 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

It adds value, because you can try to mesh/combine those cases, and then claim "Ah, that was just my opinion"

This stuff ain't working with me. hence I asked for specific points (numbered).

If you can't count to two, you really shouldn't be debating on this forum.

It would explain your outlandish support for the horrid orange man but little else. 

Edited July 25, 2022 by psyche101

[Raptor Witness]

On 7/21/2022 at 12:37 PM, RavenHawk said:

What crimes against the people?  Trump has been the People’s Champion, defending them from tyranny and the despotic Left.  He’s guilty of crimes against those dictators.  And guess who the wannabe judges are?  Those very same dictators.  Can you say “banana republic” or “Stalinist-like show trial”?

 

Isn’t that what we have now?

  

It’s called rhetoric.  We don’t need to prove him wrong.  In fact, it is more appropriate to the Left and our two-tier justice system.

 

I’m glad you think that.  Would that also include treason and other high crimes?  The thing is that in the case of the former, there is no proof, and in the latter, it is clearly evident.  If there is still an ounce of justice left in this nation, Biden will pay.  But he’ll be mentally incompetent by then, so all those that enabled this coup should face justice.

 

An insurrection isn't a political maneuver allowed by law. It's forbidden for a reason, a good reason.

Who will "pay" is the American people, if this nitwit con artist is allowed to roam free. His entire family should be jailed, or exiled to Russia, which should be the only other option.

[Raptor Witness]

On 7/21/2022 at 1:55 PM, Doug1066 said:

We must prosecute him ONLY for breaking laws that are already on the books.  "Crimes against the People" is too vague to be useful.

One problem with our laws is that we have never anticipated an insurrection so our laws don't really deal with it.  I think the last insurrection, not counting the Civil War, was Aaron Burr.

BTW:  they have rebuilt the hotel on Blennerhasset Island where the Burr insurrection was planned.  It's isolated and quite scenic.  You get to it by boat from Marietta, Ohio.

Doug

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

 

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)