Golden Duck Posted August 10, 2022 #76 Share Posted August 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, el midgetron said: No one said that. If you want to pile on and accuse me of being a terrorist, then explain mushy I shouldn’t take that as a threat. Are you cool with terrorist or are they something that society needs to deal with? What does that dealing with look like? Someone did say that. They would rather die on their feet than "Give to Caesar, what belongs to Caesar". It's elastic this demand for Christian dogma. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el midgetron Posted August 10, 2022 #77 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Just now, Golden Duck said: Someone did say that. They would rather die on their feet than "Give to Caesar, what belongs to Caesar". It's elastic this demand for Christian dogma. Die on their feet defending themselves. Not attacking those they disagree with. That would be the role you have described for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted August 10, 2022 #78 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, el midgetron said: Die on their feet defending themselves. Not attacking those they disagree with. That would be the role you have described for yourself. Defending themselves from what? A hypothetical law that outlawed a particular category of weapon. Taking up arms in the name of a opposing a law is not self-defence. - there's another name for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el midgetron Posted August 10, 2022 #79 Share Posted August 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: Recruitment was enabled by a message of disenfranchisement and victimhood. It is the message that was preached. And people were seduced to leave their nations for a honourable death. ISIS is but one example of an organisation recruiting this way. This thread is about the government passing a law. Violence to influence a government is terrorism. No one has advocated for using violence to influence a government, You are advocating for the persecution of people on the pretense they are terrorists, You don’t get to accuse myself of being a terrorist and then use my response to that accusation as justification for your accusation in the first place, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el midgetron Posted August 10, 2022 #80 Share Posted August 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: Defending themselves from what? A hypothetical law that outlawed a particular category of weapon. Taking up arms in the name of a opposing a law is not self-defence. - there's another name for it. Weirdos accusing them of being terrorists, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted August 10, 2022 #81 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Just now, el midgetron said: Weirdos accusing them of being terrorists, That requires a gun fight you reckon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el midgetron Posted August 10, 2022 #82 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, psyche101 said: That requires a gun fight you reckon? What are you going to do with “terrorists”? Edited August 10, 2022 by el midgetron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted August 10, 2022 #83 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Just now, el midgetron said: What are you going to do with terrorists? Already answered that. Court of law to determine. Are you saying shoot anyone who you think is weird? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el midgetron Posted August 10, 2022 #84 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 minute ago, psyche101 said: Already answered that. Court of law to determine. So I’ve committed no crime but based on your definition of what a terrorist is you are going to arrest me an send me to trial? Why should I have any more faith in that court than in your persecution? Golden duck says I’m a terrorist and you say I should be arrested. Totally unrealistic to think I need to defend myself from such tyrants…….. Quote Are you saying shoot anyone who you think is weird? You are just making up stuff now. “Good” way to instill confidence in your authoritarian stance. Call your opposition terrorists, arrest them based on your accusation and validate your persecution of them based on how people defend themselves, I don’t understand what skin you even have in this. Are you worried you are going to slip in the shower and get killed in a random shooting in America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted August 10, 2022 #85 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, el midgetron said: No one has advocated for using violence to influence a government, You are advocating for the persecution of people on the pretense they are terrorists, You don’t get to accuse myself of being a terrorist and then use my response to that accusation as justification for your accusation in the first place, I didn't accuse you, nor anybody, of being a terrorist. But a poster did advocate dying on their feet was better than compling with a hypothetical law. Edited August 10, 2022 by Golden Duck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted August 10, 2022 #86 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, el midgetron said: Weirdos accusing them of being terrorists, Didn't happen. Did you dream it? Or, did you misread something? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted August 10, 2022 #87 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, el midgetron said: Golden duck says I’m a terrorist and you say I should be arrested. Totally unrealistic to think I need to defend myself from such tyrants…….. You are lying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted August 10, 2022 #88 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, el midgetron said: So I’ve committed no crime but based on your definition of what a terrorist is you are going to arrest me an send me to trial? Why should I have any more faith in that court than in your persecution? Golden duck says I’m a terrorist and you say I should be arrested. Totally unrealistic to think I need to defend myself from such tyrants…….. If you're going to "defend your way of life" by turning a gun on people who you think are weird then sure you should go to court. If the law changes and you refuse to conform to a repeal of 2A, use of force to remove weapons followed by a hefty fine would be sufficient. 1 hour ago, el midgetron said: You are just making up stuff now. “Good” way to instill confidence in your authoritarian stance. Call your opposition terrorists, arrest them based on your accusation and validate your persecution of them based on how people defend themselves, I'm only repeating what you said. 1 hour ago, el midgetron said: Die on their feet defending themselves. Not attacking those they disagree with. That would be the role you have described for yourself. 1 hour ago, Golden Duck said: Defending themselves from what? 1 hour ago, el midgetron said: Weirdos accusing them of being terrorists, What other conclusion are you going to draw from that? 1 hour ago, el midgetron said: I don’t understand what skin you even have in this. Are you worried you are going to slip in the shower and get killed in a random shooting in America? Hey, happens every other day I hear. Or try reading the dialogue. Either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted August 10, 2022 #89 Share Posted August 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Golden Duck said: Someone did say that. They would rather die on their feet than "Give to Caesar, what belongs to Caesar". It's elastic this demand for Christian dogma. You gotta understand here GD, I was raised one hour north of NYC. As a elementary school kid we visited museums of colonial days, saw pieces of the chain Henry Hudson pulled across the river to destroy a English fleet of ships. Was told firmly by everyone in authority over me that the second amendment is set in stone, not only by the constitution, but by the Bill Of Rights as well. That anyone who would infringe on those rights is your absolute enemy. We watch our elected servants swear to defend these documents. Even recognizing while they do it that there is such a thing as a domestic enemy. It is not I who needs to give to Caesar what is his. THEY DO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted August 10, 2022 #90 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Golden Duck said: Defending themselves from what? A hypothetical law that outlawed a particular category of weapon. Taking up arms in the name of a opposing a law is not self-defence. - there's another name for it. I made it very clear from what. I would never take up arms over opposing views, nor have I ever suggested any such thing. I believe in the first amendment just as much as the second. That was a ridiculous thing to say, as well as the isis reference. It’s about defense. It’s about don’t tread on me. Like el pointed out, it speaks directly to what my point was to begin with. Being accused of being violent first, being compared to terrorists, when I have never dreamed of shooting anyone ever, gives me no reason to believe there are not people who’d rather see me dead then tolerate my freedom. Also as far as you thinking I have a victimhood mentality, truth is I never even think about these things at all in my daily life. The only time I ever consider it is when I’m talking on a internet message board. I don’t feel at all I’m in a position of weakness in any way. Edited August 10, 2022 by preacherman76 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted August 10, 2022 #91 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, preacherman76 said: I made it very clear from what. I would never take up arms over opposing views, nor have I ever suggested any such thing. I believe in the first amendment just as much as the second. That was a ridiculous thing to say, as well as the isis reference. It’s about defense. It’s about don’t tread on me. Like el pointed out, it speaks directly to what my point was to begin with. Being accused of being violent first, being compared to terrorists, when I have never dreamed of shooting anyone ever, gives me no reason to believe there are not people who’d rather see me dead then tolerate my freedom. Also as far as you thinking I have a victimhood mentality, truth is I never even think about these things at all in my daily life. The only time I ever consider it is when I’m talking on a internet message board. I don’t feel at all I’m in a position of weakness in any way. You proposed the hypothetical situation of the law being passed. You put in words how you would respond to that law. The language you used about disenfranchisement and victimhood was the same rhetoric used to recruit youth to ISIS. I responded to your words and you hypothetical behaviour. Just try and quote me where I said those things applied to you personally. Spoiler alert: You won't be able to. If you choose to pick up some baggage I didn't lay down, there's no point in blaming me. Edited August 10, 2022 by Golden Duck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted August 10, 2022 #92 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Golden Duck said: You proposed the hypothetical situation of the being passed. You put in words how you would respond to that law. First the law wouldn’t be lawful. It would be a direct and willful attempt to subvert the law. Second I wouldn’t do anything about it, till it came to my door. Or my neighborhood. In which case I would not be the aggressor, they would. I would also make clear they are invited to leave. 1 minute ago, Golden Duck said: The language you used about disenfranchisement and victimhood was the same rhetoric used to recruit youth to ISIS. BS. That’s ridiculous. 1 minute ago, Golden Duck said: I redponded to your words and you hypothetical behaviour. Quote me where I said those things applied to you personally. If you choose to pick up some baggage I didn't lay down, there's no point in blaming me. The whole conversation after I left was about me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted August 10, 2022 #93 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Not only was it about me, all kinds of false insinuations were made. Comparing me to terrorist, saying I want to shoot people over their opinions. Smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted August 10, 2022 #94 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 minute ago, preacherman76 said: Not only was it about me, all kinds of false insinuations were made. Comparing me to terrorist, saying I want to shoot people over their opinions. Smh It's noted you weren't able quote a false insinuation as I predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted August 10, 2022 #95 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, preacherman76 said: First the law wouldn’t be lawful. It would be a direct and willful attempt to subvert the law. Second I wouldn’t do anything about it, till it came to my door. Or my neighborhood. In which case I would not be the aggressor, they would. I would also make clear they are invited to leave. BS. That’s ridiculous. The whole conversation after I left was about me. No conversation was about you. What you posted was discussed. You choose to pick up the baggage, that's on you. Likewise, your ignorance of a subject does not make it BS. ISIS marketing was common knowledge and regularly presented to show what to be wary of. There are many categories of weapons that are prohibited. Is it fair to say you follow Vandercoy's argument? See: David E. Vandercoy, The History of the Second Amendment, 28 Val. U. L. Rev. 1007 (1994). Available at: https://scholar.valpo.edu/vulr/vol28/iss3/5 Edited August 10, 2022 by Golden Duck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted August 10, 2022 #96 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: No conversation was about you. What you posted was discussed. You choose to pick up the baggage, that's on you. Go back and read it. Several posts were clearly directly talking about me. 49 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: Likewise, your ignorance of a subject does not make it BS. ISIS marketing was common knowledge and regularly presented to show what to be wary of. Again BS. Isis advocated marching across the Middle East to concur it by force. Taking slaves and children to fight along the way. Destroying and pillaging. It’s what they were all about. I’ve said nothing of the sort. It’s like you are just speaking cause you feel you must oppose at this point, regardless of how ridiculous you sound. 49 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: There are many categories of weapons that are prohibited. Is it fair to say you follow Vandercoy's argument? See: David E. Vandercoy, The History of the Second Amendment, 28 Val. U. L. Rev. 1007 (1994). Available at: https://scholar.valpo.edu/vulr/vol28/iss3/5 It’s fair to say I’m not handing over a single gun I own to any governmental tyrant. That the second amendment has been treaded on enough. I and many others are not giving another inch. Edited August 10, 2022 by preacherman76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted August 10, 2022 #97 Share Posted August 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, preacherman76 said: Go back and read it. Several posts were clearly directly talking about me. Again BS. Isis advocated marching across the Middle East to concur it by force. Taking slaves and children to fight along the way. Destroying and pillaging. It’s what they were all about. I’ve said nothing of the sort. It’s like you are just speaking cause you feel you must oppose at this point, regardless of how ridiculous you sound. It’s fair to say I’m not handing over a single gun I own to any governmental tyrant. Buddy, I know what I wrote. That's why I'm certain you may find what you wrote being, but you were not petsonally discussed. It still noted that you haven't been able to rise to the challenge. ISIS did recruit from western countries. Disenfranchised Muslims were seduced by the rhetoric. Not being accepted in the country they were born, petitions against the construction of Mosques, feeds into disenfranchisement. This happened. The likes of Lauren Southern doubled down on the fear mongering. The ban the burkha calls made it to the floor of parliament. The Cronulla Riots were rationalised by gang rapes, and Seprember 11 and the Bali Bombings added fuel. But, the sentiment "of go back where you came from" made things easy to find recruits. We had Walid Aly on TV imploring us to fight terrorism with love. Russell Brand was doing the same thing. Their purpose was to stop the feeling of disenfranchisement. If you think it sounds ridiculous, it's understandable. Ridiculous things were said and happened. It doesn't change the rhetoric ISIS used to recruit youth from the West. You are no match for the Government. Vandercoy contends that you have already had 2A Rights impinged. Laws are passed in accordance with the Constitution. There are chinks in your dogmatic armour. Maybe, there is something wrong with the dogma itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted August 10, 2022 #98 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) I don’t see what any of that has to do with me or anything I’ve said. Whatev GD. I don’t need your approval. You are free to feel however you want about it, and me. No sleep lost. Edited August 10, 2022 by preacherman76 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted August 10, 2022 #99 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, preacherman76 said: I don’t see what any of that has to do with me or anything I’ve said. Whatev GD. I don’t need your approval. You are free to feel however you want about it, and me. No sleep lost. You expressed words of disenfranchisement and victimhood. It really is as simple as that. You tried to deny ISIS that preyed on disenfranchisement and victimhood to recruit youth. Quote Through strategic targeting, ISIS selects those who are most vulnerable and susceptible to radicalization. This includes youth who could be searching for meaning or purpose in their life, feeling anger and injustice due to discrimination and inequality they experience in their home country and those who feel alienated from society https://wp.nyu.edu/schoolofprofessionalstudies-ga_review/isis-recruitment-of-youth-via-social-media/ Your denial of facts is ridiculous. I have no idea who you are. I only read some of your posts. I have opinions on your posts. I have no opinion of you. Sweet dreams. Edited August 10, 2022 by Golden Duck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted August 10, 2022 #100 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: You expressed words of disenfranchisement and victimhood. It really is as simple as that. You tried to deny ISIS that preyed on disenfranchisement and victimhood to recruit youth. So that means gay people, transgender people, minorities, ect ect all all similar to isis right?All we hear about is their disenfranchisement and victimhood. I denied nothing accept any relevant similarities between myself and isis. I’m not trying to recruit anyone to do anything. 30 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: https://wp.nyu.edu/schoolofprofessionalstudies-ga_review/isis-recruitment-of-youth-via-social-media/ Your denial of facts is ridiculous. I have no idea who you are. I only read some of your posts. I have opinions on your posts. I have no opinion of you. Sweet dreams. Again BS, none of that has anything to do with me. Edited August 10, 2022 by preacherman76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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