FBI Raids Donald Trump's House in Mar-a-Lago, Florida

[preacherman76]

7 hours ago, el midgetron said:

‘No One Is Taking This One On Faith’: Ben Shapiro Breaks Down How Trump Raid Could ‘Rip Apart The Country’….…..

….“It is just an insane thing,” Shapiro continued. “The FBI is not trusted by many, many Americans … What the FBI just did requires extraordinary institutional trust.”

Putting it into context, Shapiro explained, “The FBI — under the auspices of a current administration — raided the home of the leader of the last administration and the likeliest potential nominee for the opposition come 2024.”….

….argued that unless the rationale for the raid is “damned extraordinarily solid, like rock solid, bedrock solid rationale with serious underlying evidence,” then the U.S. is facing “a political crisis” with “current administrations investigating former administrations.”

Shapiro again said that if Trump was investigated on behalf of the National Archives because he didn’t turn in certain documents on time, then that’s “banana republic-type stuff and it looks more like an attempt to take Donald Trump out of the running come 2024 than anything else, or maybe, nefariously it’s an attempt to elevate Trump for 2024.”…

….“Let’s just color me skeptical, because I waited for the evidence for years and years,” Shapiro remarked. “Every five minutes, breaking news alert on CNN. Russia, Russia, Russia … And it turns out to be nothing.”

“It turns out to be a waste of tens of millions of taxpayer dollars,” he continued. “It turns out to be a waste of all of our time. It turns out to be a deliberate attempt by some people who hate Donald Trump to undermine his presidency.”

“And I’m supposed to sit here taking it on faith. No one is taking this one on faith, no one,” he added.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/no-one-is-taking-this-one-on-faith-ben-shapiro-breaks-down-how-trump-raid-could-rip-apart-the-country

This is what’s scary, they know how bad this will be for them if they find nothing. I’m certain they will find something, even if it was never really there. 

[itsnotoutthere]

11 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

This is what’s scary, they know how bad this will be for them if they find nothing. I’m certain they will find something, even if it was never really there. 

Course they will. This is too good an opportunity for them to miss. Probably the same crew that sorted the Epstein problem out for Hilary and Bill. 

Edited August 10, 2022 by itsnotoutthere

[the13bats]

And now we witness trump worshippers in unhinged meltdown and desperation having nothing left grasp at riduculous CT.

Edited August 10, 2022 by the13bats

[+Desertrat56]

13 hours ago, Doug1066 said:

Is he "a man of impeccable credentials" because he signed off on the Mar-a-Lago search warrant?

 

Never assume that you are the only crook in business.  Garland could simply have the FBI secretly investigate each person who is likely to embarrass or oppose him, as well as each state legislator who is trying to overthrow elections.  Then, a week or two before the election, send them an anonymous copy of what he has and suggest they drop our of the race.  All very quiet and in the dark.

Doug

Doug, that quote is from 2017.

[Doug1066]

1 hour ago, the13bats said:

And now we witness trump worshippers in unhinged meltdown and desperation having nothing left grasp at riduculous CT.

Send them some more straw.

Doug

[lightly]

14 hours ago, susieice said:

Yes. They probably left it with the Secret Service but I don't know that for sure. They said the SS accompanied the FBI when they searched, which took them almost the whole day.

I guess that makes sense.. since their job is to protect ‘him’ ..which would include observing that No One does anything to endanger him…like plant an explosive or poison or something .  ?      (they probably scan the maids?  . . personally, I’d frisk them;)

[el midgetron]

1 hour ago, the13bats said:

And now we witness trump worshippers in unhinged meltdown and desperation having nothing left grasp at riduculous CT.

We have tons left to grasp at, primarily reality. On the other hand, what’s next for you if the FBI comes up empty handed? 

[Raptor Witness]

The serious minded people still left in the Republican party are thrilled to see this. Don’t kid yourselves, they want to get rid of Donald Trump, as a political entity, because he’s a threat to them.

A cult of personality like Donald Trump is not an enduring phenomenon in politics. It’s usually a train wreck, which ends ends in some form of suicidal mania.

Donald Trump is a nuclear weapon inside the Republican Party. He won’t just destroy it, there won’t be a Republican Party when he’s done with it.

In fact, the Arab Spring did come to the United States 

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[el midgetron]

FBI searched Melania’s wardrobe, spent hours in Trump’s private office during Mar-a-Lago raid

A source close to the former president expressed concern that FBI agents or DOJ lawyers conducting the search could have “planted stuff” because they would not allow Trump’s attorneys inside the 128-room building to observe the operation, which lasted more than nine hours.

The raid by over 30 plain clothes agents from the Southern District of Florida and the FBI’s Washington Field Office extended through the Trump family’s entire 3,000-square-foot private quarters, as well as to a separate office and safe, and a locked basement storage room in which 15 cardboard boxes of material from the White House were stored.

An eyewitness to the raid said all of the boxes were confiscated by federal agents Monday, but it is unknown if anything else was taken as no itemized list of items was provided by the FBI.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/fbi-even-searched-melanias-wardrobe-in-trump-raid/
 

They went through Melania’s wardrobe? Sounds like the spirit of J Edgar Hoover is still alive in the FBI.

[el midgetron]

First thing Trump needs to do is get his house cleared of any covert cameras and microphones left by the FBI. 

[el midgetron]

Donald Trump News Live Updates: Trump Pleads Fifth During Deposition

Former President Donald Trump has arrived in New York where he has agreed—along with his children Donald Jr. and Ivanka—to testify in a probe into his family business.….

….Trump said James is a "failed politician who intentionally colluded with others to carry out this phony years-long crusade that has wasted countless taxpayer dollars, all in an effort to prop up her political career."

He added that James is going after him while ignoring "rampant" crime in New York City.

"Criminals are running rampant, shooting, slashing, and hurting people on the sidewalks of New York, while she and her officer spend a big percentage of their time and money on their 'Trump' vendetta."

 

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-news-live-testify-updates-deposition-ivanka-testimony-fbi-court-1732496
 

 

 

 

 

[odas]

4 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

Donald Trump News Live Updates: Trump Pleads Fifth During Deposition

Former President Donald Trump has arrived in New York where he has agreed—along with his children Donald Jr. and Ivanka—to testify in a probe into his family business.….

….Trump said James is a "failed politician who intentionally colluded with others to carry out this phony years-long crusade that has wasted countless taxpayer dollars, all in an effort to prop up her political career."

He added that James is going after him while ignoring "rampant" crime in New York City.

"Criminals are running rampant, shooting, slashing, and hurting people on the sidewalks of New York, while she and her officer spend a big percentage of their time and money on their 'Trump' vendetta."

 

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-news-live-testify-updates-deposition-ivanka-testimony-fbi-court-1732496
 

 

 

 

 

I am not from USA so not familiar with what the 5th means. I only know about the 5th thru mafia movies answering all the time with "5th" in court. Is this a code for something?

[el midgetron]

Very interesting read -

…We spoke to former director of litigation at the National Archives Jason R. Baron about his own experiences pursuing White House records and his thoughts on the Mar-a-Lago raid. Baron, who is currently a professor of the practice in the University of Maryland’s College of Information Studies, was the first director of litigation at the Archives and served from 2000 to 2013.

What was the craziest thing that happened when you were director of litigation? Did anything come close to the Trump raid?

You would be surprised at how many controversies affecting records in government in some way, shape, or form touch the responsibilities of the National Archives. I was involved in recovering hundreds of records of the Roosevelt administration, where FDR’s secretary purloined records after he had died in office. They showed up at an auction, and we pursued the possibility of litigation to get them back. What I found fascinating was that almost every week, there would be a lawsuit or a potential for a lawsuit involving any matter of American history. 

In my time as litigation director, the one matter that generated controversy in particular was Sandy Berger, former national security adviser in the Clinton administration, removing documents in his clothing that related to his participation in matters involving Osama bin Laden, which were investigated by the 9/11 Commission. That removal issue resulted in Mr. Berger being charged with taking classified documents out of the Archives, and he subsequently pled to a misdemeanor. 
 

https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/08/10/why-is-the-national-archives-pursuing-trumps-records-a-former-official-explains/

[el midgetron]

2 minutes ago, odas said:

I am not from USA so not familiar with what the 5th means. I only know about the 5th thru mafia movies answering all the time with "5th" in court. Is this a code for something?

The 5th amendment. When someone invokes the 5th they are exercising their right to refuse to testify on the ground it might incriminate themselves.

[odas]

7 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

The 5th amendment. When someone invokes the 5th they are exercising their right to refuse to testify on the ground it might incriminate themselves.

Thanks. So, mafia behind the scens? Like you don't want to answer because you know you did wrong but there is not much evidence. And you keep quiet. Interesting.

[RavenHawk]

2 hours ago, the13bats said:

And now we witness trump worshippers in unhinged meltdown and desperation having nothing left grasp at riduculous CT.

I know one shouldn’t encourage you, but Trump/America supporters are not the ones unhinged.  One just needs to look no further than the idiot select committee, FBI (who rummages through a First Lady’s wardrobe looking for what?), DOJ, and even the POTUS and then there is you and your ilk here.  All of those groups are unhinged and Monday’s gaff is a gift for a second Trump term.  TDS is a mental disorder and it causes blindness and cognitive decline.  How many times has Schiff stated that “we have the goods on Trump” and then when it comes time to man-up – nada, nil, zip, zilch?  How many times has Madcow got a hardon or Scarborough went premature (especially in front of Mika) when they thought that, this time, they have him!  This is getting worse than beating a dead horse.  The carcass has already deteriorated into dust.  The Left is so afraid of Trump winning another term, that I think we can expect more shenanigans in the next two years and they will get more outlandish and desperate as we get closer to 2024.  As I mentioned earlier, an SME stated that Trump plays within the lines, the Left doesn’t.  Trump knows this and uses it to his advantage.  The Left doesn’t know how to pullback from going too far.

 

[spartan max2]

8 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

I know one shouldn’t encourage you, but Trump/America supporters are not the ones unhinged.  One just needs to look no further than the idiot select committee, FBI (who rummages through a First Lady’s wardrobe looking for what?), DOJ, and even the POTUS and then there is you and your ilk here.  All of those groups are unhinged and Monday’s gaff is a gift for a second Trump term.  TDS is a mental disorder and it causes blindness and cognitive decline.  How many times has Schiff stated that “we have the goods on Trump” and then when it comes time to man-up – nada, nil, zip, zilch?  How many times has Madcow got a hardon or Scarborough went premature (especially in front of Mika) when they thought that, this time, they have him!  This is getting worse than beating a dead horse.  The carcass has already deteriorated into dust.  The Left is so afraid of Trump winning another term, that I think we can expect more shenanigans in the next two years and they will get more outlandish and desperate as we get closer to 2024.  As I mentioned earlier, an SME stated that Trump plays within the lines, the Left doesn’t.  Trump knows this and uses it to his advantage.  The Left doesn’t know how to pullback from going too far.

 

Man, you see everything as a binary left and right.

We have zero details on the FBIs search and you're already hopping to Trump's defense. 

As I have said before. Its cult like mentality. You guys will believe that either 1) the FBI won't find anything, it's a political show for the midterms. Or 2) if the FBI finds something then it was a conspiracy plant.

You guys change your world view to fit whatever defends Trump. Everything is a "witch hunt" and everything found not to be a witch hunt are either conspiracies by "never trumpers" (who are always oddly enough people Trump appointed himself) or the deep state.

Its a cult like mentality. 

 

Edited August 10, 2022 by spartan max2

[the13bats]

1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

  1 hour ago, el midgetron said:

We have tons left to grasp at, primarily reality. On the other hand, what’s next for you if the FBI comes up empty handed? 

 

1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Do you want to play a wager on that?

I have that person on ignore since they only post nonsense however i admit i am impressed they admit to worshipping trump, they admit they grasp at their delusional version of reality and obviously not doing well with trumps house of cards falling not unlike his failed casino.

So grim do these guys ever stop braying CTs and blaming others?

 

[the13bats]

19 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Man, you see everything as a binary left and right.

We have zero details on the FBIs search and you're already hopping to Trump's defense. 

As I have said before. Its cult like mentality. You guys will believe that either 1) the FBI won't find anything, it's a political show for the midterms. Or 2) if the FBI finds something then it was a conspiracy plant.

You guys change your world view to fit whatever defends Trump. Everything is a "witch hunt" and everything found not to be a witch hunt are either conspiracies by "never trumpers" (who are always oddly enough people Trump appointed himself) or the deep state.

Its a cult like mentality. 

 

I placed that lady on ignore long ago i got tired of the CT and make believe wrapped up in head in sand trump worship. For them to address me only goes to show just how badly they know this is for trump.

You hit every nail on the head, thing is where theres smoke there might be fire and trump has overstepped on the wrong toes too many times, the American people kicked him out his subjects just cant accept that they are a tiny loud bunch who are silly enough to send a millionaire money.

Edited August 10, 2022 by the13bats

[el midgetron]

11 minutes ago, odas said:

Thanks. So, mafia behind the scens? Like you don't want to answer because you know you did wrong but there is not much evidence. And you keep quiet. Interesting.

Well, it’s not just a legal maneuver used by mafiosos. But yes, a potential consequence of pleading the fifth is that jurors or public opinion might take it as a sign of guilt. However, legally the lack of a testimony cannot be used as evidence of guilt in a court of law.. Another trade-off it’s that pleading the fifth also prevents  someone from the opportunity to defend themselves. 

It’s also not just people facing trial that can plead the fifth. Witnesses testifying against someone else can also plead the fifth, if their testimony might be self incriminating. Lastly, it’s also hinged on the perception of the defendant for potential prosecution -

“In the 2001 case Ohio v. Reiner, the U.S. Supreme Court held that "a witness may have a reasonable fear of prosecution and yet be innocent of any wrongdoing. “

https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-rights/fifth-amendment-right-against-self-incrimination.html

[the13bats]

38 minutes ago, odas said:

Thanks. So, mafia behind the scens? Like you don't want to answer because you know you did wrong but there is not much evidence. And you keep quiet. Interesting.

Its almost a get out of jail free card,

My guess it was invented in some era that thought it was better to give someone another opinion besides lying while under oath which of course anyone who would pled the 5th would do the wiseguy flicks show us that.

Carlson did you cheat on your wife with a wildebeest? , Carlson,  i pled the 5th.

Everyone gives Carlson that look of utter disgust for hooking up with a wildebeest.

[el midgetron]

Um no. It’s not a “get out of jail free card”.

As the name “5th amendment” implies it was ratified in 1791 along with the of nine article in the a Bill of Rights. 

And no again, reality is not like a mafia movie.

“If you remember only one thing from this post it should be this: innocent people can (and often should!) invoke the their Fifth Amendment protection.  The Framers included this amendment to protect both the guilty and the innocent.  And, in a criminal case, the defendant’s refusal to testify cannot be used against him.  The jury is specifically instructed that they are to draw no adverse conclusions from this fact.

The Supreme Court has recognized that there may be situations where a person is innocent, but may have rational reasons to invoke the 5th.  Let’s take a real-life example from the Supreme Court case of Ohio v. Reiner.  In that case, a father was accused of injuring his baby son, resulting in the son’s death.  The father’s defense was that he did not injure the baby, and that the injuries were caused by the babysitter.

The babysitter maintained her innocence.  The Supreme Court said that she was allowed to assert her 5th Amendment right.  The Court made it clear that innocent people are entitled to protection of the right to remain silent.  In fact, that right is designed to protect the innocent.

You might be asking: if she was innocent, why did she want to remain silent?  Because facts that she would have to admit to if she was questioned–like the fact that she was alone with the baby on a number of occasions–could later be used as evidence against her if someone decided to prosecute her.  She was with the baby in the time frame that the injuries happened.  Under these circumstances, it would be reasonable for the babysitter to fear that her statements could be used against her and incriminate her.”

https://www.burnhamgorokhov.com/criminal-defense-resources/fifth-amendment/

[Tiggs]

The raid on Mar-a-Lago was based largely on information from an FBI confidential human source, one who was able to identify what classified documents former President Trump was still hiding and even the location of those documents, two senior government officials told Newsweek.

The officials, who have direct knowledge of the FBI's deliberations and were granted anonymity in order to discuss sensitive matters, said the raid of Donald Trump's Florida residence was deliberately timed to occur when the former president was away.

Source: Newsweek

[spartan max2]

Lol 

Quote

In response to the Hillary Clinton email scandal, Trump himself signed a law in 2018 that made it a felony to remove and retain classified documents.)

From Tiggs article 

Edited August 10, 2022 by spartan max2

[Buzz_Light_Year]

30 minutes ago, odas said:

Thanks. So, mafia behind the scens? Like you don't want to answer because you know you did wrong but there is not much evidence. And you keep quiet. Interesting.

SCOTUS has said pleading the 5th after an arrest isn't an admission of guilt.

Pleading the 5th also means you can't testify for yourself and not only against yourself.

In my opinion it protects the accused of having to answer a question with either a Yes or No which in itself can led to self-incrimination as sometimes a yes or no answer is insufficient to the question being asked.

Memories are not fixed they are malleable and prosecutors and defense lawyers know this.