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Should Witches and Pagans be Accorded Religious Freedom?


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On Saturday, July 16th 2022, the Witch’s Fest event held in Astor Place, New York City (NYC), was invaded by a group of evangelical Christians who clearly believed that their religion was the only one which should be followed.

The organizer of Witch’s Fest, Ms Starr Ann RavenHawk, had obtained a permit for the event by renting the space from the city. NYC DCAS (Department of Citywide Administrative Services) provides detailed instructions online on how to rent an event space.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/holisticspirituality/2022/08/09/should-witches-and-pagans-be-accorded-religious-freedom/

 

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Of bloody course they should. 
Will they? Ha ha … jog on…

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No freedoms were taken from anyone in this case. They had a right to hold their event, and as long as it was in a public space, others had a right to protest it. So long as there was no violence both were well within their rights. 
 

They should move the event to private property if they don’t want the problems holding such events in public may bring. 

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No one would have a problem with such disruptions if it were, well, any number of other groups. 

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1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

No freedoms were taken from anyone in this case. They had a right to hold their event, and as long as it was in a public space, others had a right to protest it. So long as there was no violence both were well within their rights. 
 

They should move the event to private property if they don’t want the problems holding such events in public may bring. 

Yet if it was the other way around, I doubt so many would be turning a blind eye. 

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5 minutes ago, Bavarian Raven said:

Yet if it was the other way around, I doubt so many would be turning a blind eye. 

Why would you doubt that? If it was the other way around it would have never even made it to the media. 

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Sad that the "Christians" followed the lead the left has set.

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5 minutes ago, Myles said:

Sad that the "Christians" followed the lead the left has set.

Agreed. If we lose any momentum it’s because the far right feels emboldened to lay their extremism on us all, after the loses on the far left. 
 

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Freedom of religious beliefs is a cornerstone of our founding.

There will come a day when all people will be asked to choose Jesus Christ as head of a new government, which is my belief, but that day is not decided by a secular government.

A Christian theocracy is not possible without a truly supernatural government to match. The Holy Roman Empire was a total failure, and a scarier model than secular government.

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2 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Why would you doubt that? If it was the other way around it would have never even made it to the media. 

So if a group of pagans disrupted a Christian party in a park, and put an end to it for the day, you don’t think that would make the news???

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1 hour ago, Myles said:

Sad that the "Christians" followed the lead the left has set.

Christians have been trying to ban stuff for decades 

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19 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

Freedom of religious beliefs is a cornerstone of our founding.

There will come a day when all people will be asked to choose Jesus Christ as head of a new government, which is my belief, but that day is not decided by a secular government.

A Christian theocracy is not possible without a truly supernatural government to match. The Holy Roman Empire was a total failure, and a scarier model than secular government.

That helps me understand a lot of your political stances. 
 

Personally come that day, I don’t believe Christ will be asking anyone. 

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8 minutes ago, Bavarian Raven said:

So if a group of pagans disrupted a Christian party in a park, and put an end to it for the day, you don’t think that would make the news???

Maybe depending on location. 
 

Few years back a Christian group set up a little display at a local fair in Minnesota. The population their is in large % Muslim. They were throwing anything they could get their hands on violently trying to run them off. The cops had to escort them out because of the mob. Again, In Minnesota. 
 

The only reason I knew about it was because the Christians video taped it. The national guard should have been sent, and the rioters should have learned a hard lesson that this isn’t the middle that day. Should have caused a national outrage. But it didn’t. 

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12 hours ago, rashore said:

Yes they should be accorded religiuos freedom!   The cops were wrong and the evangelicals should have all been arrested.   If the tables were turned the people disrupting a christian event would have been arrested.

The police were eventually called. The two who were dispatched spoke to the man with the megaphone, but eventually left, leaving the Christians to continue disrupting the event.

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2 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Why would you doubt that? If it was the other way around it would have never even made it to the media. 

BullS*****!   You know that is not how it works.   People would have been arrested and the christians would have made a big deal about their "rights"!

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43 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Christians have been trying to ban stuff for decades 

And often they get their way when they stick to small things, like making sure a school can't have their halloween carnival, or interferring with local events like the one in the OP.

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12 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

The Native American Freedom Act came in 1974.  Before that Indian ceremonies were not legal.  People could be busted for sweat lodges.  

I came close to violating that one and never knew it.

Doug

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51 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Christians have been trying to ban stuff for decades 

How about millenia?  In Roman times Christians cut down sacred groves, disrupted pagan services and even killed pagan worshippers.  And that after being allowed to conduct sunrise services on the steps of the Temple of the Invincible Sun.  That's why about 2000 of them got themselves burned at the stake, fed to lions, etc.  They then used those 2000 as an excuse to kill tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of people, many of them others Christians.

Doug

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5 hours ago, Piney said:

And the ban on Sun Dances was strictly enforced.

When I was in Scouts back in the 60s, we held "Indian" themed camps complete with "Sun Dances" etc.  I'm wondering:  were we breaking the law?

Doug

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2 hours ago, Myles said:

Sad that the "Christians" followed the lead the left has set.

Sad that the right has followed "Christian" practices.

Doug

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4 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

Sad that the right has followed "Christian" practices.

Doug

There are many things that are sad.   

In recent years, it is the left who usually protests in a violent disturbing manner more often than the right.  

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11 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

How about millenia?  In Roman times Christians cut down sacred groves, disrupted pagan services and even killed pagan worshippers.  And that after being allowed to conduct sunrise services on the steps of the Temple of the Invincible Sun.  That's why about 2000 of them got themselves burned at the stake, fed to lions, etc.  They then used those 2000 as an excuse to kill tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of people, many of them others Christians.

Doug

And now they pretend like muslims are evil and justify their bad behaviour by their claim to know god's mind.   I never understood the stories about Roman's feeding christians to the lions since the current christian religion was created by the romans.   Where is the verification that this actually happened?

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30 minutes ago, Myles said:

There are many things that are sad.   

In recent years, it is the left who usually protests in a violent disturbing manner more often than the right.  

The left protests more often than the right.  Period.  End of statement.

What do you expect when one side uses its free speech rights and the other one doesn't, but instead, attacks the one protesting?

 

One problem with any protest, demonstration, etc. is that there are many undisciplined, unprincipled louts out there who think that any such event is justification for violence.  That is not what King taught.  If you are demonstrating, break no laws; if you are protesting, break ONLY the law you are protesting.  That gives your protest more power and authority.  If you are truly interested in preserving free speech, you will help us curb this violence, rather than abolishing the First Amendment.

Doug

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