An argument in favor of Chronophobia.

[lightly]

On 8/27/2022 at 7:25 PM, joc said:

I too avoid the main roads....I travel into the city (Dallas) via county roads...it's peaceful...cows, horses, open pastures...no hurry.

[Detour Ahead]     ..   sounds nice…hey joc, in your travels have you been around College Station?  …ever heard of the lone oak ranch?

[simplybill]

I wonder if cultures that have great respect for the elderly have the same sense of chronophobia as we do? If as you age you anticipate being treated with honor, would aging be considered a worthy goal rather than something to fear?

[+joc]

14 hours ago, lightly said:

[Detour Ahead]     ..   sounds nice…hey joc, in your travels have you been around College Station?  …ever heard of the lone oak ranch?

I  have been to College Station once to see my daughter dance when she was touring.  I have never heard of the lone oak ranch.

[Herr Falukorv]

The march of time is a wonderful thing
 

[Portre]

On 8/26/2022 at 9:59 PM, Alchopwn said:

Arguably Time causes  Entropy,

In a closed system at equilibrium, entropy does not change but time does (whether time continues following the heat death of the universe is debatable). Time and entropy are related in the sense that entropy increases over time, but time is not a causal agent, it is the metric, as is velocity, distance over time.  I would not say time causes velocity.

On 8/26/2022 at 9:59 PM, Alchopwn said:

hence the utterly undignified process known as Death by Old Age

No. Life can be utterly undignified or not, it's kind of up to you.

[Alchopwn]

On 9/17/2022 at 3:05 AM, Portre said:

No. Life can be utterly undignified or not, it's kind of up to you.

Up until the point when you have no control over your situation it is up to you.  That is the thing about Time.  It takes away your options without notice.

[Guest chiron613]

On 8/26/2022 at 11:59 PM, Alchopwn said:

I want to put it out there, that most people don't have Chronophobia.  Chronophobia is fear of Time or fear of Time passing.

For a more detailed explanation: Chronophobia   and Wiki Link to Chronophobia

I want to put it to people that if you aren't scared of Time, perhaps it is worth some serious thought.  It is all too easy to put it into the "I can't do anything about it therefore I don't care" basket, which is a pretty good coping mechanism, but it does detract from the naked cosmic terror you should be experiencing when you seriously try to come to grips with the topic. 

You might say that time isn't objectively dangerous, but is that true?  Arguably Time causes  Entropy, hence the utterly undignified process known as Death by Old Age.  The longer you live, the more you fall apart, until like some rotting well-loved teddy bear, you take a last tumble in the washing machine and fall apart at the seams. Worse still, the entire universe is falling apart due to the same process that is slowly killing you.  Time isn't just death, it is the inevitable process of the heat death of the universe, which will be absolute and irreversible.

But what exactly is Time?  You can point to a clock, but you cannot point to time, and yet time is ubiquitous, and movement would be impossible without it.  Some say that we must treat time as a dimension, but time is uncompromizingly monodirectional, and only ever leads to the death and destruction of everything we can ever experience.  It represents the annihilation of all meaning. It is like the universe is a trap that we have wandered into, where time will ultimately consume and render meaningless anything we might hope to achieve.  The more you think about time, the more you must face existential nihilism.

I put it to you, the reader that the concept of Time needs to be treated not as some sort of human construct (which it isn't, time is objectively provable), but a true cosmic horror from which there is (presently) no escape.  Time is humanity's greatest enemy, and we need to face it.  If you aren't scared of time, perhaps you should give the matter some thought?  I think it is easily the most rational of all phobias.

I don't think fear is something you can consciously turn on and off.  And even if you could, I think choosing fear is unwholesome.

True, Time takes everything we have.  But Time also gave us everything we have, and it takes back no more than that.

 

[Guest chiron613]

On 9/1/2022 at 4:36 AM, Alchopwn said:

It's literally harming us all the time.

It's also literally growing us all the time.

[Alchopwn]

On 10/31/2022 at 3:34 AM, chiron613 said:

It's also literally growing us all the time.

You only grow up so much.  Then you grow fat and old.  In terms of growing mentally, it's an easy claim, but plenty of people don't grow mentally after a certain point in their lives.  In cosmic terms, we are each a miniscule 4D smear on a miniscule planet orbiting a yellow star in a medium sized but unexceptional galaxy.  That ridiculously tiny-weenie little smear has a point of origin and an end point within Time expressed as a dimension.

[Alchopwn]

On 10/31/2022 at 3:21 AM, chiron613 said:

I don't think fear is something you can consciously turn on and off.  And even if you could, I think choosing fear is unwholesome.

Excessive fear is bad, but in the "right dose" fear is a very positive thing.  Fear is a great motivator, it keeps us safe, helps us identify threats,  it makes us faster, stronger, and smarter for a short burst of time.  Fear is something of a superpower if used correctly.  You need to think more positively about fear.  It is an extremely valuable evolutionary adaptation, it's just that modern humans are too narcissistic to admit they can feel afraid, and see the benefits thereof.  Fear doesn't make one a coward.

[Festina]

Well it does appear that we are at the door of ‘end times’  AKA the End of Time.  When we leave this nightmare world we will find ourselves in a place where time as we know it does not exist.

I can Hardly Wait!!

[+joc]

2 hours ago, Festina said:

Well it does appear that we are at the door of ‘end times’  AKA the End of Time.  When we leave this nightmare world we will find ourselves in a place where time as we know it does not exist.

I can Hardly Wait!!

Oh Festina...    ...would you have said anything different if you had lived in Nazi Germany as a Jew?  

The End of Time Festina...is the day you die.  Wait for it...

[Alchopwn]

4 hours ago, Festina said:

Well it does appear that we are at the door of ‘end times’  AKA the End of Time.  When we leave this nightmare world we will find ourselves in a place where time as we know it does not exist.

I can Hardly Wait!!

If time doesn't exist, then how will movement be possible in this other place you imagine?  Time and Space are the same thing.

[Festina]

15 hours ago, joc said:

Oh Festina...    ...would you have said anything different if you had lived in Nazi Germany as a Jew?  

The End of Time Festina...is the day you die.  Wait for it...

I don’t believe in death as you as a materialist do.

It does seem that from the advent of YAHWEH he was a ‘Liar and a murderer from the beginning —  IOW Yahweh lied about life and death and many other things as well. 

The other 70-85 million care of the “LORD of War, YAHWEH”.   And that’s just WWII.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#/media/File:World_War_II_Casualties.svg

But they don’t seem to matter to you nor does ‘the cause” of this catastrophe that we all face today.  As a semi Diest (who believes in magic) I refuse to worship this malevolent demon nor do I fear it. 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2022 by Festina

[+joc]

2 hours ago, Festina said:

I don’t believe in death as you as a materialist do.

It does seem that from the advent of YAHWEH he was a ‘Liar and a murderer from the beginning —  IOW Yahweh lied about life and death and many other things as well. 

The other 70-85 million care of the “LORD of War, YAHWEH”.   And that’s just WWII.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#/media/File:World_War_II_Casualties.svg

But they don’t seem to matter to you nor does ‘the cause” of this catastrophe that we all face today.  As a semi Diest (who believes in magic) I refuse to worship this malevolent demon nor do I fear it. 

 

 

 

 

Oh, I apologize Festina!  No really, seriously...I owe you an apologize because I had totally forgotten that you actually believe the OT is real.  

So, clue up Babe... it isn't.  YAHWEH or ELWAY ...wait  Jon Elway is real...but all those God stories are not real.  But hey...I know you believe they are and that God is a really bad demonic creature...because...well, I'll just keep that to myself because we talked once remember...mums the word.  

So...apology given.  Apology accepted.  Carry on.

[Festina]

6 minutes ago, joc said:

Oh, I apologize Festina!  No really, seriously...I owe you an apologize because I had totally forgotten that you actually believe the OT is real.  

So, clue up Babe... it isn't.  YAHWEH or ELWAY ...wait  Jon Elway is real...but all those God stories are not real.  But hey...I know you believe they are and that God is a really bad demonic creature...because...well, I'll just keep that to myself because we talked once remember...mums the word.  

So...apology given.  Apology accepted.  Carry on.

I know Joc…”Only Jewish Lives Matter’.

People always show you who they are.  And you did as you played the Nazi card as is so common amongst most religions and most nations. 

“The LORD is a man of war, YAHWEH is his name.” Exodus

Please explain mighty one of all knowing….WHY DO WE HAVE ENDLESS WAR ON THIS PLANET? 
 

ALL THE WEAPONS, ALL THE GREED 

 

 

 

 

[+joc]

4 hours ago, Festina said:

I know Joc…”Only Jewish Lives Matter’.

People always show you who they are.  And you did as you played the Nazi card as is so common amongst most religions and most nations. 

“The LORD is a man of war, YAHWEH is his name.” Exodus

Please explain mighty one of all knowing….WHY DO WE HAVE ENDLESS WAR ON THIS PLANET? 
 

ALL THE WEAPONS, ALL THE GREED 

 

 

 

 

We have endless war because of the innate Narcissism of the Human race.  Narcissism is part of our dna.  There are always those who wish to control other people.  Greed is also innate in the Human Race.   It has nothing at all to do with some Mythical Yahweh.   

[Festina]

14 hours ago, joc said:

We have endless war because of the innate Narcissism of the Human race.  Narcissism is part of our dna.  There are always those who wish to control other people.  Greed is also innate in the Human Race.   It has nothing at all to do with some Mythical Yahweh.   

https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1ron_k_nde.html

Narcissism, greed and the desire to control is innate in SOME people.  
 

deuteronomy 15, 15:6 in particular.

Edited November 4, 2022 by Festina

[+joc]

2 minutes ago, Festina said:

https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1ron_k_nde.html

So what am I suppose to gain from perusing another 'belief system'?  I already know your mindset is controlled by your beliefs.  And you believe whatever validates your belief system.  You are in that regard no different than the Jewish community or the Christian community or the Islamic community.  Belief is belief.  The belief doesn't really matter.  Belief is belief.  If one believes that what one believes is the truth...that is the real definition of being lost.

[+joc]

18 minutes ago, Festina said:

https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1ron_k_nde.html

Narcissism, greed and the desire to control is innate in SOME people.  
 

deuteronomy 15, 15:6 in particular.

 These are qualities of the dna...not of choice.  They may be more pronounced in some people...but everyone has that innate quality.  Just look at traffic for an example.  Everyone trying to get in front of everyone else...because of an innate narcissistic dna.   And okay, then there is me...I am trying desperately to avoid all these other idiots...but what happens to me if  you get too close behind me...I too go into 'control' mode.  Typically people will get really close to intimidate the other  person so they will change lanes...control.  I tend to slow down instead of changing lanes...control.

Edited November 4, 2022 by joc

[Festina]

3 hours ago, joc said:

 These are qualities of the dna...not of choice.  They may be more pronounced in some people...but everyone has that innate quality.  Just look at traffic for an example.  Everyone trying to get in front of everyone else...because of an innate narcissistic dna.   And okay, then there is me...I am trying desperately to avoid all these other idiots...but what happens to me if  you get too close behind me...I too go into 'control' mode.  Typically people will get really close to intimidate the other  person so they will change lanes...control.  I tend to slow down instead of changing lanes...control.

Perhaps, so then when they give up the ghost and find themselves sans their DNA they will be free of these perturbations….for a time …

Until they are scared back here by “something’ that stands at the gates of ‘heaven’ and sends them back here to play the dreaded game again. 
 
The ‘right of return’  might have a hidden meaning.  More like a forced return. 

In any event, it’s all a big mess. 

Edited November 4, 2022 by Festina

[+joc]

5 hours ago, Festina said:

Perhaps, so then when they give up the ghost and find themselves sans their DNA they will be free of these perturbations….for a time …

Until they are scared back here by “something’ that stands at the gates of ‘heaven’ and sends them back here to play the dreaded game again. 
 
The ‘right of return’  might have a hidden meaning.  More like a forced return. 

In any event, it’s all a big mess. 

Belief is a big mess.