larryp Posted September 28, 2022 #101 Share Posted September 28, 2022 6 hours ago, cormac mac airt said: Blood atonement was part of Mormon doctrine and has no bearing on Jewish or mainstream Christian doctrine or belief. cormac The above is found at Cormac 3:5-7 LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted September 28, 2022 #102 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, larryp said: The above is found at Cormac 3:5-7 LOL Your incompetence is noted, thanks for sharing. cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryp Posted September 28, 2022 #103 Share Posted September 28, 2022 ^^^ Don't fatter yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted September 28, 2022 #104 Share Posted September 28, 2022 9 hours ago, larryp said: YHWH Again, so what you don't understand the atoning qualities that blood has; but then again, you don't understand the mechanics of an automobile either, but you still hop in, don't you? You sit here and strain a gnat, then swallow a camel. It would help if you kept your eyes on the prize and stopped swallowing camels. It might save your life!! "The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it." Psalms 37:29 God could make paradise out of the head of a pin, if it exists. But, blood sacrifice, that goes back to primitive humans afraid of the “thunder of the mountain” - spoken of in the Bible, and by ancients. That would be the volcano…People were afraid of things for a good reason, life was precarious then. A bad year of crops or a flood, could kill off a whole civilization of people. Or a plague of sickness. So, people believed that sacrificing to the gods could help them survive. So, they sacrificed precious things, things with blood. This practice made its way into the Bible, which was written much later than the written societies that pre-dated it, like the Sumerians for example, or the Mesopotamians as another, and it is an obvious continuance of blood sacrifice practiced by humans from earlier times. The fact that the Code of Hammurabi made its way into the Bible through Moses is proof of this phenomenon. The Bible represents ancient primitive cultures and their beliefs about God, which is something that cannot be known. God doesn’t do interviews, so no one even knows if it exists, or what it is, if it does. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted September 28, 2022 #105 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Guyver said: or what it is Lots of people know what God is. As well as who he is. "He even dares to assert that he and the Father are one. He says that anyone who has seen him has seen the Father." 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted September 28, 2022 #106 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Guyver said: no one even knows If anybody wants to know what God is, take a look at Jesus. Do you know where to see him? "never did Jesus say, “Whoso has heard me has heard God.” ... but to see Jesus is an experience which in itself is a revelation of the Father to the soul. Spoiler Edited September 28, 2022 by Will Due 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted September 28, 2022 #107 Share Posted September 28, 2022 4 hours ago, larryp said: ^^^ Don't fatter yourself. Is there a banquet at hand? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted September 28, 2022 #108 Share Posted September 28, 2022 On 9/12/2022 at 11:52 AM, Projects said: I'm trying to figure out in what religion do I belong Why not take your own path. If you believe in a God why follow someone else's interpretation? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted September 28, 2022 #109 Share Posted September 28, 2022 12 hours ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Lightly I have spilt my blood on plenty of jobs christened a few cars with my blood as well so I guess I’m all good then and don’t need to spill anyone else’s. Hi j Yup, i think it’s ok for you to sprinkle it on a car...and the priest can sprinkle blood on the “horns of the alter” ! and “at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation” . But, don’t eat any blood ! Cuz, I wouldn’t want you to be “cut off” or have the Lord set his face against your soul ! The Lord was explaining it all to Moses this morning in Leviticus 17 . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted September 28, 2022 #110 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: I think this fixation on blood atonement arose in Christianity's competition with Mithraism and its rite-of-passage where members ritually bathed in the steaming blood of a slaughtered bull. Hence to be washed in the blood of The Lamb of God. When you said Mithraism ,I thought Bull! But ya, that’s interesting Hammer. .maybe that’s how the Old testament alter got it’s horns? Does the timeline make that possible? Hmmm, I’m remembering and finding references to bulls and horns being important in basically every ancient religion! Remember Bull jumping!? Then there was Bull fighting.. there still is Bull roping and riding! And slinging ; ? Edited September 28, 2022 by lightly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted September 28, 2022 #111 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Timothy said: Is there a banquet at hand? Fatterned calf ! Edited September 28, 2022 by lightly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryp Posted September 28, 2022 #112 Share Posted September 28, 2022 8 hours ago, Guyver said: But, blood sacrifice, that goes back to primitive humans afraid of the “thunder of the mountain” - spoken of in the Bible, and by ancients. That would be the volcano…People were afraid of things for a good reason . . . So, they sacrificed precious things, things with blood. This practice made its way into the Bible . . . YHWH Guyver, we've gone over this before. First of all, YHWH would never use human sacrifices. Deuteronomy 18:10 and Secondly, as I said before, so what you don't understand the life atoning quality of blood; YHWH understands, and he's making the rules, pal. There are many things you don't understand, but don't go into a "tizzy" over them. Stop whining and straining gnats. Relax, man, and keep your eyes on the prize at 1 Corinthians 2:9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted September 28, 2022 #113 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, lightly said: When you said Mithraism ,I thought Bull! But ya, that’s interesting Hammer. .maybe that’s how the Old testament alter got it’s horns? Does the timeline make that possible? Hmmm, I’m remembering and finding references to bulls and horns being important in basically every ancient religion! Remember Bull jumping!? Then there was Bull fighting.. there still is Bull roping and riding! And slinging ; ? Nomadic shepherds had all sorts of horned animals in their lives. Ancient Minoans were hooked on Bulls and their iconography, art and sculpture was replete with horns Edited September 28, 2022 by Hammerclaw 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryp Posted September 28, 2022 #114 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, openozy said: Why not take your own path. If you believe in a God why follow someone . . . YHWH One should choose his path, but be careful!! This is why: ". . . broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it." Matthew 7:13 Edited September 28, 2022 by larryp the details!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted September 28, 2022 #115 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said: Nomadic shepherds had all sorts of horned animals in their lives. Ancient Minoans were hooked on Bulls and their iconography, art and sculpture was replete with horns Yup, it looks like anywhere we found horned animals they became important as elements in our belief systems. I notice a distinct lack of both in ancient South America. Horned serpents were big in N. America. ..and of course Bison. Ancient longhorned bison roamed as far south as Central America…but I can’t seem to find any reference to horned beast worship in Mayan, Incan ,or Aztec beliefs. Maybe I haven’t looked hard enough yet. Edited September 28, 2022 by lightly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted September 28, 2022 #116 Share Posted September 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, larryp said: YHWH One should choose his path, but be careful!! This is why: ". . . broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it." Matthew 7:13 No I shouldn't, God didn't write it so it's just some person's ramblings. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted September 28, 2022 #117 Share Posted September 28, 2022 On 9/11/2022 at 9:52 PM, Projects said: I'm trying to figure out in what religion do I belong. I'm not sure what to believe but I know there has to be a higher power at work or I wouldn't be alive today (way too many close calls). I was raised around Christianity and that never made any sense because it seemed different rules applied to everyone no matter what was in the Bible. I won't get into specifics here because I don't want anyone to think I'm looking down on them. I understand my experiences were 1 of many around the world I suppose and honestly it was probably just that community of people that acted like that because they were multiple generations preaching down to others what they thought was right... not what was in the bible. Christianity was the best if you study it all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted September 28, 2022 #118 Share Posted September 28, 2022 I was raised on in believing in all the religions and in studying them all and found out Jesus was the best:) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted September 28, 2022 #119 Share Posted September 28, 2022 only read the four gospels of Jesus and his words in the bible That's what the gospel, The Good News, is really all about. The four gospels that we find in the New Testament, are of course, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryp Posted September 28, 2022 #120 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 hour ago, openozy said: No I shouldn't, God didn't write it so it's just some person's ramblings. Yeah, LOL . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted September 29, 2022 #121 Share Posted September 29, 2022 7 hours ago, larryp said: Yeah, LOL . . . If God dropped a bible into my hands from the heavens I'd read it until the pages wore out. God didn't write anything, so the bible to me is just fiction. I respect other's beliefs as long as they don't preach or belittle mine. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryp Posted September 29, 2022 #122 Share Posted September 29, 2022 ^^^ YHWH That's your choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryp Posted September 29, 2022 #123 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/27/2022 at 10:28 PM, Guyver said: The fact that the Code of Hammurabi made its way into the Bible through Moses is proof of this phenomenon. YHWH The writings have some similarities because many of the laws on both sides are common sense. For example, don't steal my wife; don't kill unborn babies, if a bull harms a neighbor, you pay . . . etc. No big deal!! But there are significant differences between Hammurobi's and Moses' laws. Big difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryp Posted September 29, 2022 #124 Share Posted September 29, 2022 16 hours ago, openozy said: If God dropped a bible into my hands from the heavens I'd read it until the pages wore out. YHWH No, you wouldn't; you'd say, "This is my life; please stay out of it." If you can't understand the tilt of the earth (which provides us with four seasons), at precisely 23.5 degrees every year, like clockwork, is Devine, then you wouldn't understand any amount of Bibles coming from heaven. So you may as well give it up, pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted September 29, 2022 #125 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, larryp said: YHWH No, you wouldn't; you'd say, "This is my life; please stay out of it." If you can't understand the tilt of the earth (which provides us with four seasons), at precisely 23.5 degrees every year, like clockwork, is Devine, then you wouldn't understand any amount of Bibles coming from heaven. So you may as well give it up, pal. It’s a rather sloppy clock then as it has varied between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees over a 41,000 year period and will continue to decrease for the next 9800 years before increasing again. cormac Edited September 29, 2022 by cormac mac airt 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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