Sea Peoples and the Phoenicians: A Critical Turning Point in History

[docyabut2]

 

My  guess is those little boats  with the double bird-heads,came from  a big ship that could `nt land.

baby birds  came from the mother  ship  

[Abramelin]

3 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Just  trying to find  the boats  with the double bird-heads,

Apparently several Sea Peoples sailed in similar shaped boats:

Sailors with horned helmets and sailors with a feathered headgear.

Edited June 6, 2023 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

 

My  guess is those little boats  with the double bird-heads,came from  a big ship that could `nt land.

baby birds  came from the mother  ship  

And where did that ship come from?

The bow figure doesn't look much like a bird...

[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, atalante said:

I think the Libyan invasions, which occurred in a time of severe drought, aimed to dominate the string of major oases that are located west of the Nile valley.  

That makes a lot of sense.

[docyabut2]

https://www.worldhistory.org/article/881/trade-in-the-phoenician-world

looks likes a bird to me  

Edited June 6, 2023 by docyabut2

[Abramelin]

10 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

https://www.worldhistory.org/article/881/trade-in-the-phoenician-world/

Ok, so it's a Phoenician boat.

And that's what I thought it was.

[Abramelin]

52 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

looks likes a bird to me  

What bird would that be?

Turned left 90 degrees:

Nah.

Maybe a dolphin:

Edited June 6, 2023 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, Abramelin said:

What bird would that be?

Turned left 90 degrees:

Nah.

Maybe a dolphin:

This is what dolphins do:

[docyabut2]

maybe a swan

Edited June 6, 2023 by docyabut2

[docyabut2]

Edited June 6, 2023 by docyabut2

[docyabut2]

• 1400 to 1200 BC - The first report of piracy comes from around 13th century BC, when the so called "Sea People" raided the waters of Aegean and Mediterranean. Their early focus was on Egypt and their sea traders, but later on they spread their influence on the entire Mediterranean.

 

http://www.famous-pirates.com/pirates-history/piracy-timeline/#:~:text=1400 to 1200 BC - The,influence on the entire Mediterranean.

[The Puzzler]

13 hours ago, Abramelin said:

This is what dolphins do:

It’s a sea dragon/serpent…

Like…https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_serpent

Protector but also avenger of the Sea.

Edited June 7, 2023 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

However the ships depicted at Medinet Habu are definitely bird headed.

[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, The Puzzler said:

It’s a sea dragon/serpent…

Like…https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_serpent

Protector but also avenger of the Sea.

Ok,  but it's nòt a bird.

[The Puzzler]

17 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

maybe a swan

The boat depictions in the drawings in Egypt do actually look like they have swan heads.

[docyabut2]

that is a bird

[The Puzzler]

So…Egyptians mounted figures of holy birds….

”The ancient seafaring civilisations all had figureheads on their vessels. The Egyptians mounted figures of holy birds to provide protection and vision. The Phoenicians featured horse heads symbolising swiftness. The Romans and Greeks carved wolf or boar heads representing ferocity. These were often mounted on, or carved directly onto, the most forward part of the ship’s bow (front) – forming an extension of the keel (primary structure).”

https://heritagecalling.com/2019/01/31/a-brief-history-of-ships-figureheads/
 

Abe…The horse head on Phoenician ships is relative to the sea dragon I mentioned. Kinda a horse of the sea, like Poseidon represented in some forms. So, I’d say to that question before, those figureheads are actually horses, more than sea dragons, however the concepts merge.

Like Viking ships, a horse dragon like figure head…

Norman ship…

But the drawings are not like those, they look like definite birds.

 

[The Puzzler]

42 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

that is a bird

I totally agree.

The examples of Phoenician boats by Abe are not this kind of boat.

 

Edited June 7, 2023 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

The horse bit, I also read it as brooch piece with the same bird head boat is interesting. That to me is saying something.

I know the date of it and it comes from Tartessos, with Phoenician influence but Phoenicians did not have bird head boats.

Seems that decoration is probably true Tartessian culture…therefore the bird headed boats could be Tartessian..my link does mention Egyptians using a bird figurehead for their boats too….but that horse but/brooch is quite frankly, the same sort of boat.

Edited June 7, 2023 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

Obviously not connected to Sea People but something was in the concept of the swan figureheads, so it may have appeared earlier in time.

”By the 13^th century, it was popular in Northern Europe to feature a swan, signifying grace and mobility.”

same link, above.

[The Puzzler]

The beautiful statue of Nike was a ship figurehead.

With wings like a bird.

[Abramelin]

19 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Swans do not have a dorsal fin and frontal flippers:

[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, The Puzzler said:

The examples of Phoenician boats by Abe are not this kind of boat.

I used what Docy posted....

[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

that is a bird

Yep. But the sailors on the boat are nòt Tartessians.

[docyabut2]

look at the tartessos boat with the swan bird built  on it