Sea Peoples and the Phoenicians: A Critical Turning Point in History

[The Puzzler]

2 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

Relative to the adjacent land, yes.  In absolute terms, no.

Doug

So, that’s the quandary, what would ancient people think when they saw this rise…?

[Doug1066]

8 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

So, that’s the quandary, what would ancient people think when they saw this rise…?

They wouldn't see it.  Sea level rise is far too slow.

BTW:  if we're talking about biblical peoples, there is a website by Walter Reinhold Wartig Mattfeld y de la Torre.  He goes into great depth on biblical history.  His site is well-documented and it is available on CD.  It is bibleorigins.net.

Doug

Edited March 18 by Doug1066

[The Puzzler]

4 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

They wouldn't see it.  Sea level rise is far too slow.

BTW:  if we're talking about biblical peoples, there was a website by Walter Reinhold Wartig Mattfeld y de la Torre.  He went into great depth on biblical history.  His site was well-documented and it was available on CD.  I don't believe it is still operational, but you might be able to find bits and pieces of it still floating around on the web.

Doug

That’s the point,  they wouldn’t see it. I’ll check the links out you mentioned.

All this….the people of Northern lands got flooded out, is bogus…it was something else, any flooding, even Doggerland was too slow to notice,  to incorporate into mythology.

It has to be some kind of fast, overwhelming flood, of note.

Edited March 18 by The Puzzler

[Doug1066]

8 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

That’s the point,  they wouldn’t see it. I’ll check the links out you mentioned.

All this….the people of Northern lands got flooded out, is bogus…it was something else, any flooding, even Doggerland was too slow to notice,  to incorporate into mythology.

It has to be some kind of fast, overwhelming flood, of note.

The Second Storegga Tsunami is believed to have brought about the final destruction of Doggerland.  The island was nearly under water anyway as a result of rising sea level., except for its western end  It would have happened about 8175 to 8120 YBP.  In Scotland the tsunami reached a height of 13 feet.  At that time the Arctic Ocean was ice free. 

Doug

[The Puzzler]

2 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

The Second Storegga Tsunami is believed to have brought about the final destruction of Doggerland.  The island was nearly under water anyway as a result of rising sea level., except for its western end  It would have happened about 8175 to 8120 YBP.  In Scotland the tsunami reached a height of 13 feet.  At that time the Arctic Ocean was ice free. 

Doug

It would be interesting to see, if I had a Time Machine to see what the impact on Doggerland was like, for sure.

[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, The Puzzler said:

That’s the point,  they wouldn’t see it. I’ll check the links out you mentioned.

All this….the people of Northern lands got flooded out, is bogus…it was something else, any flooding, even Doggerland was too slow to notice,  to incorporate into mythology.

It has to be some kind of fast, overwhelming flood, of note.

You're forgetting about the Storegga Slides. I think the people would have noticed a tsunami of 60 feet high at several places and lasting for up to 2 days.

[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

Okely dokely….wasted a good 100 minutes there…hmm…what to make of it……the obvious?

 

You watched the video ànd read the book in 100 minutes?

[Doug1066]

3 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

You're forgetting about the Storegga Slides. I think the people would have noticed a tsunami of 60 feet high at several places and lasting for up to 2 days.

The Storegga tsunami likely wiped out anybody who might have seen it.

Doug

[The Puzzler]

1 minute ago, Abramelin said:

You're forgetting about the Storegga Slides. I think the people would have noticed a tsunami of 60 feet high at several places and lasting for up to 2 days.

Wasn’t that like 6000BC….? So…..maybe that’s exactly when the Flood occurred. A time when mankind had an actual flood, to remember, to record…I’m not forgetting, I’m elucidating the scenario.

If this is the Flood, it makes every other point I’m making in my topics true. 
There was no Great Flood circa Shirupak, nothing, it’s like Velikovsky reconstructed history…it’s there but not there.

 

[Abramelin]

Just now, Doug1066 said:

The Storegga tsunami likely wiped out anybody who might have seen it.

Doug

Except those who watched it happen from a higher point, like cliffs.

[Abramelin]

1 minute ago, The Puzzler said:

Wasn’t that like 6000BC….? So…..maybe that’s exactly when the Flood occurred. A time when mankind had an actual flood, to remember, to record…I’m not forgetting, I’m elucidating the scenario.

If this is the Flood, it makes every other point I’m making in my topics true. 
There was no Great Flood circa Shirupak, nothing, it’s like Velikovsky reconstructed history…it’s there but not there.

 

What has this flood thing to do with this topic, btw?

[The Puzzler]

2 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

You watched the video ànd read the book in 100 minutes?

I didn’t read the book, I watched the video, it went for 100 minutes…I didn’t get to the book, but I believe she says nothing new of what she said in the video….OK I was being a bit hard, it was interesting and I think she’s kinda right..but didn’t we all know that already, even the interviewer looked bored. I guess I was expecting more…my expectations however are never met.

[The Puzzler]

2 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

What has this flood thing to do with this topic, btw?

You mentioned it…

But yes, let’s get back on topic…

[The Puzzler]

We cannot put the Sea People in the Storegga slide days….and sure, the Hittites had the first Trojan War story….this is getting so all over the place even I don’t think I can handle it anymore, for now. if I bought it down 300 years I could though….see my Theses of the Reconstruction of Ancient History topic….then we might get somewhere.

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[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, The Puzzler said:

You mentioned it…

But yes, let’s get back on topic…

No. Docy posted about a flood that happened 5 millions of years ago.

[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, The Puzzler said:

I didn’t read the book, I watched the video, it went for 100 minutes…I didn’t get to the book, but I believe she says nothing new of what she said in the video….OK I was being a bit hard, it was interesting and I think she’s kinda right..but didn’t we all know that already, even the interviewer looked bored. I guess I was expecting more…my expectations however are never met.

Ok. Then don't have expectations.

I didn't get through the video, so I added the book.

Maybe I'll read it this weekend.

Well, I'll probably scroll through it, and pick up the 'juicy parts'.

[The Puzzler]

10 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Ok. Then don't have expectations.

I didn't get through the video, so I added the book.

Maybe I'll read it this weekend.

Well, I'll probably scroll through it, and pick up the 'juicy parts'.

Yeah, yeah 

[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

my Theses of the Reconstruction of Ancient History

What?? Where??

[Doug1066]

3 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

Wasn’t that like 6000BC….? So…..maybe that’s exactly when the Flood occurred. A time when mankind had an actual flood, to remember, to record…I’m not forgetting, I’m elucidating the scenario.

If this is the Flood, it makes every other point I’m making in my topics true. 
There was no Great Flood circa Shirupak, nothing, it’s like Velikovsky reconstructed history…it’s there but not there.

 

The Storegga Tsunami was about 8150 YBP.  "Noah's Flood" was about 4800 YBP.  As I reconstruct it, "Noah's Flood" corresponds (sort of) to the third Kish flood.  The biblical story appears to be a conflation of the first and third Kish floods and maybe the second as well.  Shurupak may also be part of the conflation.  The Ur flood was earlier and probably bigger; water depth reached 28 feet at Ur.  Assyria was high and dry.  "Noah's Flood" would have been somewhere between a 300-year and a 500-year flood.  That's not big enough to call it a megaflood or superflood.  We've had several of those at other times.  In case a 300-year flood doesn't sound big:  most people have never seen a 100-year flood, let alone a 300-year flood.  The largest three I ever saw were the Deep Fork Flood of 2007, the Jamestown (CO) Flood of 2013 and the Kankakee Flood of 1957, all 50-year floods.  The last 100-year flood in Oklahoma was the 1921 flood.

Doug

[Doug1066]

3 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

You mentioned it…

But yes, let’s get back on topic…

The topic of this thread is the Phoenicians.  Carthage was a Phoenician colony.  The story of Atlantis is mostly a re-hash of Carthaginian history.  In the story of Atlantis, a large land mass sinks below the sea.  Doggerland has been proposed as an explanation for the Atlantis story.  The Storegga Land Slide caused the Storegga tsunami.

So I'm right on subject.

Doug

[Doug1066]

3 hours ago, Abramelin said:

Except those who watched it happen from a higher point, like cliffs.

Doggerland was too far away to be visible from anywhere on the mainland.  Offshore islands would have been swamped by the tsunami.

Doug

[The Puzzler]

1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

What?? Where??

New topic

[Abramelin]

5 hours ago, Doug1066 said:

The topic of this thread is the Phoenicians.  Carthage was a Phoenician colony.  The story of Atlantis is mostly a re-hash of Carthaginian history.  In the story of Atlantis, a large land mass sinks below the sea.  Doggerland has been proposed as an explanation for the Atlantis story.  The Storegga Land Slide caused the Storegga tsunami.

So I'm right on subject.

Doug

No. That is NOT the subject of this topic.

It has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Atlantis, or even Carthage.

Check the first post of this thread, please.

[Abramelin]

5 hours ago, Doug1066 said:

Doggerland was too far away to be visible from anywhere on the mainland.  Offshore islands would have been swamped by the tsunami.

Doug

Post that in the Doggerland thread, and I will reply.

[Doug1066]

15 hours ago, Abramelin said:

No. That is NOT the subject of this topic.

It has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Atlantis, or even Carthage.

Check the first post of this thread, please.

That first post mentions Atlantis.

Carthage was founded by Phoenicians.

Are you trying to say that this thread has nothing to do with Phoenicians?

 

I have long surmised that  Philistines = Pelest = Palestinians = Sea People.

Doug