Sea Peoples and the Phoenicians: A Critical Turning Point in History

[Abramelin]

48 minutes ago, Piney said:

So were the Sicel portrayed with horned helmets 

 

I didn't know that.

 

48 minutes ago, Piney said:

 

I know a lot of people in Ireland of Celtic descent with Black hair.

Yes. Maybe their legends about ancient invasions are correct, and they dìd descend from the Milesians who came from Spain. It's in the "Lebor gabála érenn".

I think genetics has proved the legends to be right.

 

48 minutes ago, Piney said:

I always thought the red hair came with the Vikings and Saxons.

The Vikings were a very mixed 'race' as has been shown not that long ago. Their warriors came as far as the Med and the Middle East and Africa.

I think the red hair came from Germanic tribes invading Britain after the Romans left.

Tacitus wouldn't agree: he said something like the Caledonian tribes resembled Germanics, and that's during Roman times.

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[Piney]

11 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

I didn't know that.

 

Yes. Maybe their legends about ancient invasions are correct, and they dìd descend from the Milesians who came from Spain. It's in the "Lebor gabála érenn".

I think genetics has proved the legends to be right.

 

The Vikings were a very mixed 'race' as has been shown not that long ago. Their warriors came as far as the Med and the Middle East and Africa.

I think the red hair came from Germanic tribes invading Britain after the Romans left.

Tacitus wouldn't agree: he said something like the Caledonian tribes resembled Germanics, and that's during Roman times.

Genetics has proven it right. I think Ireland and Spain has been swapping spit for a long time.

My half Dutch niece is a full blown ginger......and it didn't come from my sister. 

[Abramelin]

You know, what I think is very interesting here is, that medieval legends about what happened several thousands of years before prove to be true.

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[Abramelin]

7 minutes ago, Piney said:

Genetics has proven it right. I think Ireland and Spain has been swapping spit for a long time.

And another thing:

You have stated many times that ancient sailors only practised coast hopping.

If people from Iberia sailed to Ireland, they must have sailed the open ocean.

[Piney]

10 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

And another thing:

You have stated many times that ancient sailors only practised coast hopping.

If people from Iberia sailed to Ireland, they must have sailed the open ocean.

Not necessarily. It just took a little time. 

The Anatolian Farmers followed the same path. 

[Abramelin]

20 minutes ago, Piney said:

Not necessarily. It just took a little time. 

The Anatolian Farmers followed the same path. 

Heh, coast hopping in the Med. Yes.

But this is about sailing from Iberia to Ireland.

They may have taken the long route: the French Atlantic coast, Normandy > Cornwall > Ireland.

But the Irish legends don't mention France, Normandy, Armorica, or Wales when talking about the arrival of the Milesians from Iberia.

Did the Irish chroniclers forget to mention these stops?

 

[Abramelin]

12 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Heh, coast hopping in the Med. Yes.

But this is about sailing from Iberia to Ireland.

They may have taken the long route: the French Atlantic coast, Normandy > Cornwall > Ireland.

But the Irish legends don't mention France, Normandy, Armorica, or Wales when talking about the arrival of the Milesians from Iberia.

Did the Irish chroniclers forget to mention these stops?

 

I just now remembered the Silures of Wales:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silures

Quote:

According to Tacitus's biography of Agricola, the Silures usually had a dark complexion and curly hair. Due to their appearance, Tacitus believed they had crossed over from Spain at an earlier date.

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[Piney]

9 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Heh, coast hopping in the Med. Yes.

But this is about sailing from Iberia to Ireland.

They may have taken the long route: the French Atlantic coast, Normandy > Cornwall > Ireland.

But the Irish legends don't mention France, Normandy, Armorica, or Wales when talking about the arrival of the Milesians from Iberia.

Did the Irish chroniclers forget to mention these stops?

 

Probably, they made the narrative boring, but Amorica was a Celtic port with lots of back and forth migration between there and Britain and Cornwall was a  big port too.

[Abramelin]

Sorry to say but, as much as I love to dig into this more, we're going way off topic.

Sigh.

[docyabut2]

5 hours ago, Abramelin said:

Docy, why do you think the Tartessians would want to wage a war against Egypt?

Remember, those Sea Peoples showed up in Egypt around 1200 BCE.

The Phoenicians settled a century or so later in SW-Iberia, or better, in Gadir/Qadesh/Cadiz. And maybe also in what's now Lisboa, Portugal.

The Tartessians - according to legend - were a peaceful people. They even invited the Greek Phocaeans to settle there.

Who were the sea peoples twršꜣ or ṯꜣkꜣr

"of the sea?

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[docyabut2]

. The Phoenicians first recognized the potential of the hidden metal resources near the Tartessian gulf and consecutively explored and exploited them.

https://www.worldhistory.org/tartessos/#:~:text=The Tartessian culture existed from,that bordered the Mediterranean Sea.

[Abramelin]

20 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Who were the sea peoples twršꜣ or ṯꜣkꜣr

"of the sea?

Try again, Docy.

[Abramelin]

8 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

. The Phoenicians first recognized the potential of the hidden metal resources near the Tartessian gulf and consecutively explored and exploited them.

https://www.worldhistory.org/tartessos/#:~:text=The Tartessian culture existed from,that bordered the Mediterranean Sea.

Docy, please explain why the Tartessians wanted to attack Egypt.

No, don't post links that don't explain anything.

Please explain in your own words why the Tartessians would want to attack Egypt.

I think that of all the people living around the Mediterranean Sea they had the least reason to attack Egypt. They had all the metal sources anyone wanted.

 

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[docyabut2]

• 1176 BC —  King Ramses III of Egypt stopped the Sea Peoples attacks by land and by sea, allowing them to keep the land they had taken.

[docyabut2]

42 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Try again, Docy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

[Abramelin]

11 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

IN YOUR OWN WORDS.

 

[Abramelin]

19 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arganthonios

[Abramelin]

25 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

• 1176 BC —  King Ramses III of Egypt stopped the Sea Peoples attacks by land and by sea, allowing them to keep the land they had taken.

What does that got to do with the Tartessians?

[docyabut2]

https://arkeonews.net/archaeologists-have-uncovered-the-first-human-representations-of-the-people-of-mythical-tartessos/

 

I  apologize for trying to find a connection of the Tartessians wanted to attack Egypt,..but the Tartessians I believe were part of the sea peoples that attacked  Egypt

[docyabut2]

 

They are not hair styling 

[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, docyabut2 said:

https://arkeonews.net/archaeologists-have-uncovered-the-first-human-representations-of-the-people-of-mythical-tartessos/

 

I  apologize for trying to find a connection of the Tartessians wanted to attack Egypt,..but the Tartessians I believe were part of the sea peoples that attacked  Egypt

And WHY were the Tartessians part of the Sea Peoples? What REASON did they have for attacking Egypt?

[docyabut2]

30 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

And WHY were the Tartessians part of the Sea Peoples? What REASON did they have for attacking Egypt?

What REASON  for the sea Peoples attacking Egypt?

[cormac mac airt]

44 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

What REASON  for the sea Peoples attacking Egypt?

What reason FOR THE TARTESSIAN’s to attack Egypt! 
 

cormac

[Doc Socks Junior]

Pretty sure they were both after whatever advanced technology was used to make granite jars.

[Doc Socks Junior]

3 hours ago, Abramelin said:

And WHY were the Tartessians part of the Sea Peoples? What REASON did they have for attacking Egypt?

Do we actually know why? (Besides the granite jar hypothesis...)