Sea Peoples and the Phoenicians: A Critical Turning Point in History

[docyabut2]

THE SHIPS OF THE SEA PEOPLES.

https://medium.com/the-bronze-age/the-ships-of-the-sea-peoples-part-1-994249af5304

Figure.58. The unmistakable outlines of the double bird-headed warship of the Sea Peoples.

 

[docyabut2]

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Pylos-Battle-Scene-Fresco-from-Hall-64-After-M-L-LANG-The-Palace-of-Nest

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[docyabut2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartessos ships

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[docyabut2]

The unmistakable outlines of the double bird-headed warship of the Sea

[docyabut2]

Now we have the Tartessos`s helmets and their boats of the sea peoples   

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[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Now we have the Tartessos`s helmets and their boats of the sea peoples   

With 'Tartessos' helmets you mean this?:

And why do you think that was a Tartessian helmet?

[Abramelin]

3 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

The unmistakable outlines of the double bird-headed warship of the Sea

It's a horse's bit:

http://www.spainisculture.com/en/obras_de_excelencia/museo_arqueologico_de_sevilla/bronce_carriazo.html

[Abramelin]

4 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

The unmistakable outlines of the double bird-headed warship of the Sea

You quoted that from here:

https://medium.com/the-bronze-age/the-ships-of-the-sea-peoples-part-1-994249af5304

And the headgear of the guys on those "double bird-headed warships" looks nothing like this:

 

 

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However, Docy, that was a very interesting and creative interpretation.

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[The Puzzler]

And I don’t think Tartessos existed at 1200BC.

[Abramelin]

37 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

And I don’t think Tartessos existed at 1200BC.

Well, there was some sort of culture there (SW-Iberia) before the arrival of the Phoenicians.

You know that *I* think its name 'Tartessos' came from a metathesis of the Phoenician goddess 'Astarte' or 'Ashtarte': sh.t.r.t > t.r.t.sh. The -os ending of the name was of Greek origin.

Jaylemurph once said that metathesing only happens if the majority of a population is litterate, and that thàt wasn't the case in those times. I, of course, didn't agree...

 

The Greek geographer Strabo referred to the Turdetani, the successors of the Tartessians, as a people who had laws written in verse from six thousand years old. I must add, though, that claim might be wrong because the quoted sentence of Strabo isn't complete or clear.

Edited to add:

This was my other explanation of the name, based on Phoenician:

 

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[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

Well, there was some sort of culture there (SW-Iberia) before the arrival of the Phoenicians.

You know that *I* think its name 'Tartessos' came from a metathesis of the Phoenician goddess 'Astarte' or 'Ashtarte': sh.t.r.t > t.r.t.sh. The -os ending of the name was of Greek origin.

Jaylemurph once said that metathesing only happens if the majority of a population is litterate, and that thàt wasn't the case in those times. I, of course, didn't agree...

 

The Greek geographer Strabo referred to the Turdetani, the successors of the Tartessians, as a people who had laws written in verse from six thousand years old. I must add, though, that claim might be wrong because the quoted sentence of Strabo isn't complete or clear.

Edited to add:

This was my other explanation of the name, based on Phoenician:

 

@Alchopwn

What do yóu think about my explanation of the name "Tartessos"?

You're the one to ask according to Piney.

 

[docyabut2]

2 hours ago, Abramelin said:

With 'Tartessos' helmets you mean this?:

And why do you think that was a Tartessian helmet?

[docyabut2]

19 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

https://arkeonews.net/archaeologists-have-uncovered-the-first-human-representations-of-the-people-of-mythical-tartessos/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartessos ships?

that was a boat , the ducks were was not horses

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[Abramelin]

6 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Pylos-Battle-Scene-Fresco-from-Hall-64-After-M-L-LANG-The-Palace-of-Nest

What does this link supposed to prove, Docy?

Their helmets?

 

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[Abramelin]

16 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

https://arkeonews.net/archaeologists-have-uncovered-the-first-human-representations-of-the-people-of-mythical-tartessos/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartessos ships?

that was a boat  

It was a horse's bit.

But yeah, it does look like a boat.

Now please tell me: what reason did the Tartessians have to attack Egypt?

i asked you a couple of times, and I will ask you again.

[Abramelin]

23 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

That's NO helmet.

That's hairstyle.

[docyabut2]

3 hours ago, Abramelin said:

With 'Tartessos' helmets you mean this?:

And why do you think that was a Tartessian helmet?

I put this on because they were the ancient Greeks part of sea peoples that had those helmets on with the Tartessians

    

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[docyabut2]

38 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

That's NO helmet.

That's hairstyle.

no  hairstyles:).

[Abramelin]

29 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

no  hairstyles:).

It IS:

[Abramelin]

34 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

I put this on because they were the ancient Greeks part of sea peoples that had those helmets on with the Tartessians

    

Show me a better pic.

No Sea People had that funny headgear like the one you showed:

[docyabut2]

The Greek Age of Bronze Early Helmets

http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/images/earlyhelmtop02.jpg

 

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http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/images/elmi9.jpg

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[docyabut2]

http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/helmets1.htm

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[docyabut2]

 

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, docyabut2 said:

 

Hi Docy

Look closer as the second picture is not like the first 2, the first ones are hair.

[Abramelin]

https://english.elpais.com/spain/2023-04-19/discovery-of-tartessian-sculptures-turns-study-of-iberian-pre-roman-culture-on-its-head.html

Regarding the earrings that two of the images on the busts are wearing, Rodríguez adds: “These types of earrings have been found at other sites of the era and region, so they are very well-documented, but now we finally know how they were worn: the chain was used to attach it to the ear.” Another of the busts depicts a warrior with a braid, a symbol of the transition to adulthood that was very common in the protohistory of the Iberian Peninsula. The researchers believe that the set of pieces, all of which have a flat back, were part of the same relief narrating a story involving, among others, this young warrior and, perhaps, the goddesses who protected him, represented by the two women with fuller faces.

 

It's a hairstyle:

 

And this is the young warrior with his braid: