Sea Peoples and the Phoenicians: A Critical Turning Point in History

[docyabut2]

If its was the  Doggerland people .there would be all of the people from Great Britain and Europe.and the western  Mediterranean .and the tarttssos ")

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[Abramelin]

11 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

If its was the  Doggerland people .there would be more people from Great Britain and Europe.and the western  Mediterranean .and the tarttssos ")

Trelane was joking, Docy.

[docyabut2]

14 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Trelane was joking, Docy.

ok ")

[Trelane]

1 hour ago, Piney said:

Who the **** do you think you are? Harte? 

Thought I'd spice things up in here. It's been a Texas two-step going on for the last several pages.

[The Puzzler]

On 6/14/2023 at 2:52 AM, Abramelin said:

You didn't edit post 1075:

Bloody hell, you’re all over it, lol, I dunno which post but some post…..

[The Puzzler]

13 hours ago, Piney said:

Who the **** do you think you are? Harte? 

I do not agree Harte would say this. but maybe I’m missing an inside joke.

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[The Puzzler]

12 hours ago, Abramelin said:

13 hours ago, Abramelin said:

 

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Not sure why this has happened, moderators, please delete

[The Puzzler]

So, after 1109 posts are we any closer to knowing who the Sea People were? 

[atalante]

15 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

The Minoans could been the Sea Peoples that attack Ugarit.  

The Egyptians used the name Keftiu to represent, presumably, Minoan merchants who visited Egypt.  Keftiu appeared in Egyptian records for about one and a half centuries. 

Then the Keftiu stopped being mentioned in Egyptian records -- and the earliest mentions began to occur for ethnic names that eventually unified into the Sea Peoples.   

This sequence of ethnic names in Egyptian records indicates that the Minoans were not included among the Sea Peoples.  

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[The Puzzler]

I do think however the sacking of Ugarit made the most difference, leading to end of the Hittite Empire, which the Mycenaeans felt as their defences also fell, as allies of the Hittites, leaving a vacuum of leadership, by people like the Lukka, illiterate types, void of  writing. 
It has to be, there is no way cultures could become illiterate unless an illiterate band of people (Lukka) took over the previous literate people. 
Mycenaeans became Doric, Athenians became Ionians, new relationships began…with a new language, or languages I should say Pelasgian and Hellenic (Greek) in a new era of civilisation. The end of the Hittites and/via Ugarit was the reason for the fall of the Bronze Age.

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[The Puzzler]

4 minutes ago, atalante said:

The Egyptians used the name Keftiu to represent, presumably, Minoan merchants who visited Egypt.  Keftiu appeared in Egyptian records for about one and a half centuries. 

Then the Keftiu stopped being mentioned in Egyptian records -- and the earliest mentions began to occur for ethnic names that eventually unified into the Sea Peoples.   

This sequence of ethnic names in Egyptian records indicates that the Minoans were not included among the Sea Peoples.  

Yes, I’d tend to think Minoans were too early to be Sea People, by this time, they are Mycenaeans.

[The Puzzler]

I won’t even mention my lego linguistics to get Lacadaemonia out of Lukka/Lycia.

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[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

So, after 1109 posts are we any closer to knowing who the Sea People were? 

Yeah. We know who they are not.

[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

I won’t even mention my lego linguistics to get Lacadaemonia out of Lukka/Lycia.

"Laquedem" is Hebrew for the "Ancient One", the "Eternal Wanderer".

[Abramelin]

16 hours ago, Trelane said:

Thought I'd spice things up in here. It's been a Texas two-step going on for the last several pages.

I have no idea what that means, but from your words I understand you're getting bored.

So why the hell don't YOU add something worthwhile to read?

[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

Yes, I’d tend to think Minoans were too early to be Sea People, by this time, they are Mycenaeans.

Yep. Greeks.

I have visited several Greek sites in the past, and I noticed (using Google Translate) that as soon as a Phoenician (drumroll: Semites) invention or something is mentioned, the Greek members respond with something that would make Adolf smile.

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[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

The end of the Hittites and/via Ugarit was the reason for the fall of the Bronze Age.

No way.

 

[docyabut2]

 

Other theories

 could it be tarshish ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarshish

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[docyabut2]

Teresh

twršꜣ

"of the sea"[?

[Abramelin]

16 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

 

Other theories

 could it be tarshish ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarshish

No. No. No.

And: No.

[Abramelin]

17 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

 

Other theories

 could it be tarshish ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarshish

Please do not post links that don't explain sh!t.

Docy: WHAT REASON COULD THE TARTESSIANS HAVE HAD TO BE PART OF THE SEA PEOPLES, AND ATTACK EGYPT?

Sorry for the caps, but I asked you half a dozen times by now.

[The Puzzler]

50 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

"Laquedem" is Hebrew for the "Ancient One", the "Eternal Wanderer".

Well, how about that. 

[The Puzzler]

40 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

No way.

 

Yes way. lol that’s what I think anyway. I’ve suspected it for a while, even out of this thread, what I’ve read here has confirmed it. 

[The Puzzler]

21 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

Teresh

twršꜣ

"of the sea"[?

It’s hard in linguistics, even lego linguistics to get an ‘a’ from an ‘e’…they are quite stable letters…you can’t translate the word if it’s not translatable….

So, I could not, even in the flimsy state I do translate….get Tarshish from Teresh. 
 

[Abramelin]

4 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

Yes way. lol that’s what I think anyway. I’ve suspected it for a while, even out of this thread, what I’ve read here has confirmed it. 

Ok. So what had the wars in Europe,  like Tollense, had to do with it?

Or the droughts and plagues and hunger in the Middle East?