Sea Peoples and the Phoenicians: A Critical Turning Point in History

[The Puzzler]

Just now, Abramelin said:

You think SW-Iberia was uninhabited?

No lol this article says anything but that…my point, it was inhabited by many people, but not those who called them selves Tartessians at 1200BC….that I don’t think. I do think another round of south Spanish culture could be misconstrued as Tartessians.

[Abramelin]

1 minute ago, The Puzzler said:

No lol this article says anything but that…my point, it was inhabited by many people, but not those who called them selves Tartessians at 1200BC….that I don’t think. I do think another round of south Spanish culture could be misconstrued as Tartessians.

Tartessians/Tartessos is just a name adopted by scientists to represent SW-Iberia. It sounds 'cooler'.

They may have called themselves Gnarlyhotseflots, lol.

Ok, check this link, and scroll down to ''Neolithic" :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Iberia

[Abramelin]

"Tartessos" was the name the Greeks gave that culture in SW-Iberia.

Thàt name, maybe, came into existence àfter the Phoenicians arrived and mingled with the natives.

[The Puzzler]

15 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Tartessians/Tartessos is just a name adopted by scientists to represent SW-Iberia. It sounds 'cooler'.

They may have called themselves Gnarlyhotseflots, lol.

Ok, check this link, and scroll down to ''Neolithic" :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Iberia

That is true,,,the Agaric people could have been the Gnatlyhotseflots ….

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[The Puzzler]

11 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

"Tartessos" was the name the Greeks gave that culture in SW-Iberia.

Thàt name, maybe, came into existence àfter the Phoenicians arrived and mingled with the natives.

yes, so we may not find the name Tartessos in translation,

[Abramelin]

Just now, The Puzzler said:

That is true,,,the Agaric people could have been the Gnatlyhitseflots….

No, they lived in SE-Iberia.

[The Puzzler]

Just now, Abramelin said:

No, they lived in SE-Iberia.

who says a Sea People of the time lived in Tartessos,,

Id say they came from Lorca as I said. 

[Abramelin]

5 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

who says a Sea People of the time lived in Tartessos,,

Id say they came from Lorca as I said. 

We were talking about Tartessos for pages on end, and Docy insists they were part of the Sea Peoples.

[Abramelin]

39 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

That is true,,,the Agaric people could have been the Gnatlyhotseflots ….

But the culture of El Argar ended at least a century before the rise of the Sea Peoples:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Argar

[The Puzzler]

28 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

We were talking about Tartessos for pages on end, and Docy insists they were part of the Sea Peoples.

I agree some people from Spain MAY have been part of the Sea People but not from Tartessos as such, my iPad died, sorry for my tardy response,

[The Puzzler]

1 minute ago, Abramelin said:

But the culture of El Argar ended at least a century before the rise of the Sea Peoples:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Argar

It’s a tricky one , Did it? wht dates can you confirm? 

[Antigonos]

19 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

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[Abramelin]

16 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

It’s a tricky one , Did it? wht dates can you confirm? 

The link says:

Post-Argarian phase

El Argar B ends in the fourteenth or thirteenth century BC, giving way to a less homogeneous post-Argarian culture. Again, Fuente Álamo gives the best C-14 dating with 1330 BC (+/- 70 years).

 

It is an interesting date: 1330 +/- 70 years. It's actually quite close to the rise of the Sea Peoples...

Coincidence?

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[The Puzzler]

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[Abramelin]

6 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

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1550 BCE, yes, that seems to be the generally accepted date of the end of the El Argar culture.

The date I gave from the link is from one C14 sample.

Edit:

Correction: it's the best C14 dating.

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[The Puzzler]

 1550 yes…..have to think more on it…I thought I’d was closer to 1200BC.

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[The Puzzler]

I’m tryna help,docy but this is a nail in the coffin.

[The Puzzler]

It’s an exciting time nevertheless…when Mycenaean graves changed,,,,could be something in it after all.

The fall of Minoan culture. 

[The Puzzler]

43 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

 

lol tomorrow zzz

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[Antigonos]

1 minute ago, The Puzzler said:

I shall reread the article….tomorrow zzzzzzzz

It was a joke that fell flat, nothing personal lol.

[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, The Puzzler said:

 1550 yes…..have to think more on it…I thought I’d was closer to 1200BC.

One of the links I posted mentions 'a spray of earthquakes' in and around the Med. That doesn't mean, I think, that they happened within a tiny time frame. But yes, 1550 BCE  looks like far outside any reasonable timeframe.

[Abramelin]

57 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

It’s an exciting time nevertheless…when Mycenaean graves changed,,,,could be something in it after all.

The fall of Minoan culture. 

The Minoan culture had already fallen around 1200 BCE. That's about the time the Greeks/Mycaenians had settled in Crete and taken over.

[Abramelin]

Just a brain fart:

Maybe the Shardana/Sardinians from the Nuraghic culture were (one of) the leaders of the Sea Peoples.

Maybe they were also responsible for the end/demise of the El Argar culture in Spain.

[Abramelin]

Another thing about the Shardana: they were present among the Sea Peoples, but their ships were not depicted on the Egyptian murals:

 

Odd, isn't it?

[docyabut2]

https://historia.nationalgeographic.com.es/a/tartessos-el-enigma-del-reino-perdido-de-la-peninsula-iberica_6233