Sea Peoples and the Phoenicians: A Critical Turning Point in History

[Doug1066]

2 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

One of Krakatoa’s earlier eruptions was around that time as well.

Seems some in the the geological community has changed its mind about that.

Doug

[Antigonos]

Just now, Doug1066 said:

Seems some in the the geological community has changed its mind about that.

Doug

I know there’s always been skepticism about the possible eruption from the 400s, I thought the one from a century later was pretty much agreed on. I’ll follow up on that, thanks.

[Doug1066]

2 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

I know there’s always been skepticism about the possible eruption from the 400s, I thought the one from a century later was pretty much agreed on. I’ll follow up on that, thanks.

But not ALL of the geological community.  They're still arguing about it.  Some of those arguments get rather heated.  One at the Denver convention a few years ago actually came to blows:  two competing authors couldn't agree on the Cameroon Arc.

Doug

[Antigonos]

1 minute ago, Doug1066 said:

But not ALL of the geological community.  They're still arguing about it.  Some of those arguments get rather heated.  One at the Denver convention a few years ago actually came to blows:  two competing authors couldn't agree on the Cameroon Arc.

Doug

Yikes.  Well I can’t fault them for their passion anyway.

[The Puzzler]

On 1/30/2024 at 4:11 AM, Abramelin said:

I reread parts of this thread, and this is one of the videos that stands out.

The commentor wonders, at some point, why the Terramarans built houses on stilts when there was no need for it.

 

I think their ancestors came from Switzerland, or further north-west : the Low-Lands. The way they managed waterways, built dikes and other things to manage water flows made me think

That would be NW- Germany, the Netherlands, and Flanders.

According to Wildvank, a guy I quotet earlier, some kind of disaster happened in the ancient North Sea, just before the rise of the Sea Peoples.

 

And how bout the paintings in Sweden being 25 metres higher now than when they were drawn…or was that feet?…Anyway whichever it was, that’s a huge sea level drop, the sea was that much higher, just in the Bronze Age…

imagine it getting so much colder, the sea level dropped by that much…

So, it wasn’t flooding, it was receding water, as it got colder…exposing land where ocean had been…this in itself, could have caused all sorts of issues, loss of harbours, inability to sail areas they once had, loss of resources, cold, damp former land, bogs, brings sickness, darkness, famine, migrations…

Edited February 6 by The Puzzler

[cormac mac airt]

14 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

And how bout the paintings in Sweden being 25 metres higher now than when they were drawn…or was that feet?…Anyway whichever it was, that’s a huge sea level drop, the sea was that much higher, just in the Bronze Age…

imagine it getting so much colder, the sea level dropped by that much…

So, it wasn’t flooding, it was receding water, as it got colder…exposing land where ocean had been…this in itself, could have caused all sorts of issues, loss of harbours, inability to sail areas they once had, loss of resources, cold, damp former land, bogs, brings sickness, darkness, famine, migrations…

Just curious, did you take into account post-glacial rebound?

cormac

[Festina]

On 9/18/2022 at 7:51 PM, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Why not, Abe? 

They seem to be a natural choice. 

 

With all of this information about the Sea Peoples, it is amazing that they cannot definitively say who they were, where from etc.

 

 

Perhaps their tribal gods came from beneath the sea just like it says, Sea people. 
 

Deuteronomy 5:8

You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky, above, or on the earth below, or in IN THE WATERS BENEATH THE EARTH.

They were not Jewish at all as they did not have their genitals cut. 

 

 

[Doug1066]

25 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

Yikes.  Well I can’t fault them for their passion anyway.

It's not my fault.

Doug

[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, The Puzzler said:

And how bout the paintings in Sweden being 25 metres higher now than when they were drawn…or was that feet?…Anyway whichever it was, that’s a huge sea level drop, the sea was that much higher, just in the Bronze Age…

imagine it getting so much colder, the sea level dropped by that much…

So, it wasn’t flooding, it was receding water, as it got colder…exposing land where ocean had been…this in itself, could have caused all sorts of issues, loss of harbours, inability to sail areas they once had, loss of resources, cold, damp former land, bogs, brings sickness, darkness, famine, migrations…

Wildvank mentioned a disaster that included floods in NW-Germany, the Netherlands, and Flanders (Belgium). That's something quite different from slowly 'dropping' sealevels. Btw., during the most recent little ice age' a couple of centuries ago, sea levels didn't drop.

[docyabut2]

https://www.sms-tsunami-warning.com/pages/tsunami-history#.XEk6AensYzs

 

 

The map above shows the 2,000+ tsunami events that hit the countries located around the "Ring of fire" in know history (since year 1600 BC

Edited February 6 by docyabut2

[Abramelin]

4 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

The kind of mummification mentioned here in Britain and Denmark does not seem the same as Egyptian mummification…

The part I quoted from your link doesn't say these burials were the same as the Egyptian ones, but that these burials may have been inspired by Egyptian burials.

And if that will be proven to be true, some of these Nordics must have visited Egypt prior to the attacks on Egypt during the period of the Sea Peoples.

And if they indeed visited Egypt, it also explains - part of - the attacks on Egypt: they would have known, by actually visiting Egypt, about its riches.

[Abramelin]

5 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

And if they indeed visited Egypt, it also explains - part of - the attacks on Egypt: they would have known, by actually visiting Egypt, about its riches.

And I've said it before: if all these naval attacks on Egypt did indeed take place as recorded in Medinet Habu, where are the shipwrecks of the attackers? Egypt repelled the attackers, made them prisoners, and so on. At least some of the attackers' boats must have sunk.

Where are these shipwrecks?

Or... did it never happen?? Well, not like depicted in Medinet Habu?

[Abramelin]

18 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

https://www.sms-tsunami-warning.com/pages/tsunami-history#.XEk6AensYzs

 

 

The map above shows the 2,000+ tsunami events that hit the countries located around the "Ring of fire" in know history (since year 1600 BC

The Ring of Fire is on the OTHER side of the planet, Docy.

[Antigonos]

10 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

The Ring of Fire is on the OTHER side of the planet, Docy.

I may have confused her by mentioning Krakatoa.

[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, Festina said:

They were not Jewish at all as they did not have their genitals cut. 

Some of the Sea Peoples were circumcized.

Exit religious bull.

[docyabut2]

Now researchers have evidence suggesting that an asteroid roughly 200 yards (183 meters) wide crashed off the coast of New Jersey and sent tsunamis surging toward what is now New York City some 2,300 years ago. [Video – Recreating an Ancient Tsunami]

https://www.livescience.com/10203-66-foot-waves-hit-york-ancient-asteroid-splashdown.html

 

 

How many years was 2300 BC?

 

 

Those are two dates, 2300 hundred years “Before Christ”, though now more commonly called BCE (Before the Common Era), and 1500 years Before the Common Era, this would be about 4323 and 3523 years ago, 

[cormac mac airt]

3 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

Now researchers have evidence suggesting that an asteroid roughly 200 yards (183 meters) wide crashed off the coast of New Jersey and sent tsunamis surging toward what is now New York City some 2,300 years ago. [Video – Recreating an Ancient Tsunami]

https://www.livescience.com/10203-66-foot-waves-hit-york-ancient-asteroid-splashdown.html

How many years was 2300 BC?

Those are two dates, 2300 hundred years “Before Christ”, though now more commonly called BCE (Before the Common Era), and 1500 years Before the Common Era, this would be about 4323 and 3523 years ago, 

You're mangling timeframes 2300 years ago IS NOT 2300 years BC/BCE. 2300 years ago is circa 350 BC. 

cormac

[Abramelin]

10 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

Now researchers have evidence suggesting that an asteroid roughly 200 yards (183 meters) wide crashed off the coast of New Jersey and sent tsunamis surging toward what is now New York City some 2,300 years ago.

That's 300 BCE. And, that is almost  a thousand years AFTER the Sea Peoples.

Docy, 2,300 years AGO means 2,300 years BEFORE NOW. So, about 300 years BC.

Edited February 6 by Abramelin

[Festina]

On 9/19/2022 at 10:23 AM, Abramelin said:

Interestingly, the Phoenicians were not circumcised.

But several other 'Sea Peoples' were:

http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/sea.htm

Quote:

The Great Karnak inscription of the Pharaoh Merneptah also states that at least three of the Sea Peoples, the Ekwesh, Sheklesh and Sherden, were circumcised. It is interesting to note in any event, the biblical emphasis on the Philistines as uncircumcised and the fact that they are almost the only group so labeled in the biblical corpus suggest that they may have been the archetype of "uncircumcision" for the biblical authors.

Edited to add:

The 'Ekwesh' were always considered to be Greeks. But either that is wrong, or... the Greeks were indeed circumcised back then.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

And there is a link between Sparta and the Hebrews. Well, according to the OLD TESTAMENT. 

Religious bull?  Do your remember posting this?

Edited February 6 by Festina

[Abramelin]

11 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

How many years was 2300 BC?

@docyabut2

You are confusing BC and BP.

BC means: before Christ

BP means: before Present.

 

[Festina]

29 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Some of the Sea Peoples were circumcized.

Exit religious bull.

Against thier will? 
 

abraCADabra?

[Abramelin]

1 minute ago, Festina said:

Religious bull?  Do your remember posting this?

I do. So?

[Abramelin]

2 minutes ago, Festina said:

Against thier will? 
 

abraCADabra?

No. Not only the Hebrews were circumcized.

It was a hygenic thing that became a religious thing much later among the Hebrews and Muslims.

Edited February 6 by Abramelin

[docyabut2]

2,500-year-old city buried under flood sediment may belong to lost civilization in Spain

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/2500-year-old-city-buried-under-flood-sediment-may-belong-lost-civilization-020521

 

 why was this 2,500-year-old city buried under flood sediment?

Edited February 6 by docyabut2

[Antigonos]

20 minutes ago, Festina said:

Religious bull?  Do your remember posting this?

He said some of the Sea Peoples were circumcised, but the Phoenicians weren’t. In case you don’t know, the latter are considered to have been part of the confederation of the Sea Peoples.

He’s been consistent in his statements. 

You made a blanket statement about all the Sea Peoples and you used the Bible as your source. There’s no evidence for your claim outside of your holy book. Like many other things, such as the Exodus happening or the existence of the Ark of the Covenant.

Not sure why you’re confused.

Edited February 6 by Antigonos