Italy on brink of having most Right-wing government since Mussolini

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

22 hours ago, Knob Oddy said:

Deliberately removing heterosexual relationships (you know, the ones which have resulted in the children consuming the product) and replacing them with gay characters and showing that to 4 year olds will have an effect. Not the effect your expecting, more like the ones you see in Russia or Ukraine.

No 4 year old needs to see that. 

 

Last Disney film I saw was Encanto, and that’s full of hetero relationships (loving one’s to boot). 

[Poncho_Peanatus]

I dont believe it for a moment. Matter of fact I consider fascist the fascist shouters, you know the ones calling fascist everybody else. What would Meloni do? I tell you, less taxes, smaller governments and control the immigration. Thats it. No invasion of Ethiopia, no recreation of the Roman empire, no persecution of the jews. And first at all no bald man in uniform shouting from a balcony. Enough with the idiocy. 

[spartan max2]

22 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Last Disney film I saw was Encanto, and that’s full of hetero relationships (loving one’s to boot). 

That's just the Hollywood hetero conspiracy 

[Duke Wellington]

24 minutes ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

I dont believe it for a moment. Matter of fact I consider fascist the fascist shouters, you know the ones calling fascist everybody else. What would Meloni do? I tell you, less taxes, smaller governments and control the immigration. Thats it. No invasion of Ethiopia, no recreation of the Roman empire, no persecution of the jews. And first at all no bald man in uniform shouting from a balcony. Enough with the idiocy. 

They sucked the centre right in and ruined them with wokism, so Italy took a further step right.

[RavenHawk]

On 9/26/2022 at 11:41 AM, spartan max2 said:

No one is claiming these things are fascist.

I think they are claiming that.  When you call Meloni Fascist, then you call what she stands for, Fascists.  But the Left is so extreme left that even anything moderate looks extreme Right.  This is why I keep pointing out that the current understanding of what the political spectrum is, is obsolete, inadequate.  Left/Right must be redefined.  It’s no longer enough to say that things like Fascism or Nazism are Right and Marxism or Communism are Left.  They are both extremes but with one goal in mind, total control.  Just out of convenience, both extremes are running far Left with no end in sight.  When your point of view, is in the far Left, looking back to the Right, Freedom appears extreme Right.  That is where Meloni is.  She champions normalcy, freedom, human rights.  The extremes are virtually the same, but the Left must do it’s best to keep a boogieman (another extreme) around to keep the chaos stirred up.

 

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Nuclear families have never been under attack.

And where have you been?  Children and the family have been front-and-center in this war.  Confusing the rolls of gender.  Destroying masculinity.  teaching CRT and QT to children, calling it instruction and not indoctrination.  Gender confusion and making children the focus as sex objects.  Castration.  Turning parents into domestic terrorists because they object to what school boards teach to their children; that parents have no say in raising their children.  Faith.  The normal sensibilities of the nuclear family have been under assault! 

 

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It's just what politicans say when they mean they don't like gay people or the fact that people can get divorced. 

Say WHAT?!  No, it’s not.  The Right is far more tolerant than the Left.  But subversion of children crosses the line of tolerance and acceptance.  You may not be aware of this, but monogamous homosexual couples are just as capable of raising a family as a monogamous heterosexual couple.  A homosexual couple may have two fathers or two mothers, but within the family unit, one fulfills the nurturing parent roll and the other, the disciplining parent roll.  It’s not “gays” that people don’t like, it‘s exploiting gays as the means to subvert the children.  Gays to the Left are nothing more than a disposable tool.  Once you destroy the family and normalcy, the control of the family over the child can be replaced by the state.  Then the state can indoctrinate children into Marxism free of parental influence.

 

[Tatetopa]

5 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Destroying masculinity. 

Whining weasels who call themselves men destroyed masculinity.

[Duke Wellington]

8 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

I think they are claiming that.  When you call Meloni Fascist, then you call what she stands for, Fascists.  But the Left is so extreme left that even anything moderate looks extreme Right.  This is why I keep pointing out that the current understanding of what the political spectrum is, is obsolete, inadequate.  Left/Right must be redefined.  It’s no longer enough to say that things like Fascism or Nazism are Right and Marxism or Communism are Left.  They are both extremes but with one goal in mind, total control.  Just out of convenience, both extremes are running far Left with no end in sight.  When your point of view, is in the far Left, looking back to the Right, Freedom appears extreme Right.  That is where Meloni is.  She champions normalcy, freedom, human rights.  The extremes are virtually the same, but the Left must do it’s best to keep a boogieman (another extreme) around to keep the chaos stirred up. 

Left means the number of people making the decisions and the degree to which the legal system is used to `force` the population to comply with it. In an extreme right-wing government, the entire population are making the decisions and hence require little control. There has only been one extreme right-wing government in the whole of history and that was ancient Athens.

Nazis and Commies are normally classed as extreme left-wing due to them being dictatorships, and heavily controlling their populations. This includes using a Secret Police. Lessor Socialism tends to be on the left and you can see that with them constantly using the legal system in an attempt to close down and cancel any opposing views. Fascism can be anywhere on the spectrum. Extreme love for a country, imperialism, etc, can be any government along the political spectrum.

The term `extreme-right` is not correctly used and has become a derogatory phrase applied to parties which are anti-immigration. Hence the socialists can magically divide themselves from how the Nazis were the National Socialist Workers Party. 

We have liberal-socialist fascism underway and have had it for at least 3 decades gradually becoming stronger. In essence the wokes think they hold the moral high ground, can use the legal system to force their way, and we have constant wars where the propaganda machine starts up claiming that all those other countries are immoral for not having the same views. It even frames all their leaders as dictators when they are not.

[Setton]

9 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

one fulfills the nurturing parent roll and the other, the disciplining parent roll

What a sad commentary on your own childhood.

Maybe my parents were just extra special that they were both capable of nurturing and disciplining.

[Golden Duck]

17 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Left means the number of people making the decisions and the degree to which the legal system is used to `force` the population to comply with it. In an extreme right-wing government, the entire population are making the decisions and hence require little control. There has only been one extreme right-wing government in the whole of history and that was ancient Athens.

Nazis and Commies are normally classed as extreme left-wing due to them being dictatorships, and heavily controlling their populations. This includes using a Secret Police. Lessor Socialism tends to be on the left and you can see that with them constantly using the legal system in an attempt to close down and cancel any opposing views. Fascism can be anywhere on the spectrum. Extreme love for a country, imperialism, etc, can be any government along the political spectrum.

The term `extreme-right` is not correctly used and has become a derogatory phrase applied to parties which are anti-immigration. Hence the socialists can magically divide themselves from how the Nazis were the National Socialist Workers Party. 

We have liberal-socialist fascism underway and have had it for at least 3 decades gradually becoming stronger. In essence the wokes think they hold the moral high ground, can use the legal system to force their way, and we have constant wars where the propaganda machine starts up claiming that all those other countries are immoral for not having the same views. It even frames all their leaders as dictators when they are not.

You have given a perfect guide on how to fail first year political science.

Left and Right originated from the French Revolution.

[el midgetron]

Muhoozi Kainerugaba, son of Ugandan dictator Yoweri Museveni, was promoted to the rank of general on Tuesday. Kainerugaba caused a stir on the previous day with a saucy Twitter rant in which he offered a 100-cow dowry for the hand of newly elected Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni and threatened to invade Italy if his offer was refused.

https://www.breitbart.com/africa/2022/10/05/ugandan-dictators-son-promoted-general-after-offering-100-cow-dowry-giorgia-meloni/
 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2022 by el midgetron

[itsnotoutthere]

"Italy on brink of having most Right-wing government since Mussolini"

If the rest have been centrist or left wing then that's stating the obvious really.

[Ozymandias]

On 9/29/2022 at 7:48 AM, Golden Duck said:

You have given a perfect guide on how to fail first year political science.

Left and Right originated from the French Revolution.

Absolutely correct, GD. Like a lot of social media muppets, this idea is usually employed by right-wingers wanting to discredit the socialist leaning left.

He thinks the Nazis were socialist probably because the word appears in their name and they evolved from the German Worker's Party, but after the early 1930s they were anything but socialist, cultivating ties with industrialists and financiers that did not have workers interests at heart. They were pursuing a course that took Germany far from being a fraternal community of free equals. And their arch-enemy was Communism. the most extreme form of socialism. The Nazi party, like many populist movements, may have started life with a socialist veneer but that all changed rapidly as Hitler began to realise his dream of power. 

[itsnotoutthere]

1 hour ago, Ozymandias said:

Absolutely correct, GD. Like a lot of social media muppets, this idea is usually employed by right-wingers wanting to discredit the socialist leaning left.

He thinks the Nazis were socialist probably because the word appears in their name and they evolved from the German Worker's Party, but after the early 1930s they were anything but socialist, cultivating ties with industrialists and financiers that did not have workers interests at heart. They were pursuing a course that took Germany far from being a fraternal community of free equals. And their arch-enemy was Communism. the most extreme form of socialism. The Nazi party, like many populist movements, may have started life with a socialist veneer but that all changed rapidly as Hitler began to realise his dream of power. 

Yes and lets not overlook the fact that communism managed to kill 5.5 times as many people as fascism this century.

https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/nazism-or-communism-which-ideology-killed-more-people-278ac44ab626

Edited October 6, 2022 by itsnotoutthere

[Ozymandias]

2 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Yes and lets not overlook the fact that communism managed to kill 5.5 times as many people as fascism this century.

https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/nazism-or-communism-which-ideology-killed-more-people-278ac44ab626

Of course! Let's not forget that.

But what is the relevance of it to Cookie Monster mischaracterising the Nazis as socialists and saying that todays 'socialists can magically divide themselves from how the Nazis were the National Socialist Workers Party'?

Never be fooled by a name, e.g.  the Democratic People's Republic of Korea  

 

[odas]

On 9/26/2022 at 7:02 AM, itsnotoutthere said:

"Earlier this year she outlined her priorities in a raucous speech to Spain's far-right Vox party: "Yes to the natural family, no to the LGBT lobby, yes to sexual identity, no to gender ideology... no to Islamist violence, yes to secure borders, no to mass migration... no to big international finance... no to the bureaucrats of Brussels!"

Wow...radical stuff.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63029909

Presumably then the BBC would rather hear :- 

"No to the natural family, Yes to the LGBT lobby, No to sexual identity, Yes to gender ideology... Yes to Islamist violence, No to secure borders, Yes to mass migration... Yes to big international finance... Yes to the bureaucrats of Brussels!"

Interesting. Out of all those issues, that you quoted and by the looks believe and support, the only one really concerned are - Italian Jews.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.jta.org/2022/09/30/global/italian-jews-worry-and-wait-as-giorgia-meloni-far-right-leader-prepares-to-take-power/amp

Keep on believing she is a decent person that cares about families. Hitler was about all that too initially and then....

 

[itsnotoutthere]

1 hour ago, odas said:

Interesting. Out of all those issues, that you quoted and by the looks believe and support, the only one really concerned are - Italian Jews.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.jta.org/2022/09/30/global/italian-jews-worry-and-wait-as-giorgia-meloni-far-right-leader-prepares-to-take-power/amp

Keep on believing she is a decent person that cares about families. Hitler was about all that too initially and then....

 

Trouble is you guys have gone sooo far left that anything right of Stalin is 'far right' in your book.

Don't expect anybody to take you seriously when literally call everyone with a different political view to you a fascist.

I think you'll find this is just part of the usual media takedown of anybody that doesn't align with their globalist agenda.

Don't sweat it, more chance of Biden getting us all killed with one of his epic verbal gaffes.

Edited October 6, 2022 by itsnotoutthere