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Nord Stream Gas pipeline "deliberately sabotaged"


Knob Oddy

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2 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Methane doesn't dissolve in water. 

And, methane emissions don't affect climate change, or do they?  IDK, it seems that's something only 'woke' people say so we can't have jobs instead ofvrelying on handouts. 

Sorry, what is your point? 

Are you suggesting methane is good for climate?

My understanding is that the climate would be far better off if the gas was burnt before entering the atmosphere. You know, carbon being less dangerous to global warming than methane, at least in my reading on the subject.

 

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10 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said:

Motive -the sound bite you are dismissing

Means - naval drones 

Opportunity- BALTOPS 22

 

I doubt you could find another country with all three

 

 

"Naval drones" Hahahaha!

If America did this type of operation it would be done by Spec-Op SEAL's.

Duh...

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1 minute ago, pallidin said:

"Naval drones" Hahahaha!

If America did this type of operation it would be done by Spec-Op SEAL's.

Duh...

At 100m underwater? 

Maybe, but I doubt it

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1 minute ago, Knob Oddy said:

Sorry, what is your point? 

Are you suggesting methane is good for climate?

My understanding is that the climate would be far better off if the gas was burnt before entering the atmosphere. You know, carbon being less dangerous to global warming than methane, at least in my reading on the subject.

 

The greatest source of anthropogenic methane is from agriculture and the energy sector.  Should I give up meat and dairy?

BTW, I'm curious how much natural gas was in the pipes if wasn't being used. 

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Just now, Golden Duck said:

 

BTW, I'm curious how much natural gas was in the pipes if wasn't being used. 

I've heard 5million cubic meters to keep the lines charged

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2 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said:

At 100m underwater? 

Maybe, but I doubt it

Sure, I lived right next to the UDT/SEAL museum in Fort Pierce, Florida for over 18-years.

They showed declassified underwater submersible vehicles used to carry Navy SEALs to great depths for special missions.

 

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8 minutes ago, pallidin said:

Sure, I lived right next to the UDT/SEAL museum in Fort Pierce, Florida for over 18-years.

They showed declassified underwater submersible vehicles used to carry Navy SEALs to great depths for special missions.

 

Yes. There are also many jet fighter planes in the airforce (and navy), but they still use drones.

I don't discount the fact that seals can be used at that depth. In fact I found one declassified mission at 400 feet to tap a cable. The report I  read highlighted the dangers of exiting a sub at that depth.

Why would you send divers when you can remotely operate a drone?

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Duh

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5 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said:

...Why would you send divers when you can remotely operate a drone?

Nothing beats an eyes-on trained professional (SEAL diver)

And I have 2 high-end drones (which I love)

It's not as easy as one might think to operate a drone, much less one underwater.

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https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/us-military-aircraft-circled-nord-stream-incident-site-in-se

Those pesky pieces of evidence keep coming...

Folks need to remember that we live in a post-truth, post-reality world today.  ALL OF US.  IOW, it doesn't matter who did it, it only matters who the EU and Russia BELIEVE to be guilty.  What?  Did you guys think Trump was the only target of such attempts?  ;) 

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4 minutes ago, and-then said:

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/us-military-aircraft-circled-nord-stream-incident-site-in-se

Those pesky pieces of evidence keep coming...

Folks need to remember that we live in a post-truth, post-reality world today.  ALL OF US.  IOW, it doesn't matter who did it, it only matters who the EU and Russia BELIEVE to be guilty.  What?  Did you guys think Trump was the only target of such attempts?  ;) 

From your link:

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These revelations come after German newspaper Der Siegel reported Tuesday that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) warned the German government there would be attacks on Nord Stream gas pipelines weeks ahead of any incident being reported around the pipelines.

An informed source told the German magazine that Berlin had been told by the CIA a few weeks ago that there would be attacks on the key pipelines supplying a huge portion of Europe's energy from Russia.

 

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What everyone is missing here, it seems, is that Biden's comments were simply reflecting an even much further retaliatory action against Putin obtaining money from the EU, or from anywhere.

Biden explained it. Damn.

It's called "sanctions"

Whether this was a complex accident or covert incident I have no idea.

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What are you laughing at, Knob?

Everything I said is correct.

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1 minute ago, pallidin said:

What everyone is missing here, it seems, is that Biden's comments were simply reflecting an even much further retaliatory action against Putin obtaining money from the EU, or from anywhere.

Biden explained it. Damn.

It's called "sanctions"

Whether this was a complex accident or covert incident I have no idea.

The CIA seem to have prior knowledge according to German media.

Kinda rules out an accident doesn't it?

Also, with the prior knowledge, if this wasn't in the best interest of the US, why didn't the military try to stop it?

 

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1 minute ago, pallidin said:

What are you laughing at, Knob?

Everything I said is correct.

Yes, because when I hear "nord won't exist anymore" I know its all about sanctions.....

Even with sanctions the Nord pipes would still "exist". Only damaging them severely would fit that definition 

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1 minute ago, Knob Oddy said:

The CIA seem to have prior knowledge according to German media.

Kinda rules out an accident doesn't it?

Also, with the prior knowledge, if this wasn't in the best interest of the US, why didn't the military try to stop it?

 

Damn, why don't you just come-out and say that you love Russian aggression, that you hate America, and that nothing I said is valid in your mind.

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Just now, pallidin said:

Damn, why don't you just come-out and say that you love Russian aggression, that you hate America, and that nothing I said is valid in your mind.

You will not find any post from me supporting any wars at all.

This attack on the pipeline will lead to the biggest war for 80 years.

Why don't you just say you love military aggression when your country does it, and hate it when others do the same?

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50 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said:

Yes, because when I hear "nord won't exist anymore" I know its all about sanctions.....

Even with sanctions the Nord pipes would still "exist". Only damaging them severely would fit that definition 

It was probably only figure of speech. Why would CIA alert Germany of the possibilty if they were gonna do it? To help get themselves caught? And like i posted earlier, there's always this too. 

Russian Ships Spotted Near Nord Stream Pipelines Before Explosions: Report (newsweek.com)

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Just now, razman said:

It was probably only figure of speech. Why would CIA alert Germany of the possibilty if they were gonna do it? To help get themselves caught? And like i posted earlier, there's always this too. 

Russian Ships Spotted Near Nord Stream Pipelines Before Explosions: Report (newsweek.com)

But, Biden promised he was going to stop Nord Stream 2; and, he keeps his promises.

Uhhh, ... wait a sec ... :unsure2:

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7 minutes ago, razman said:

It was probably only figure of speech. Why would CIA alert Germany of the possibilty if they were gonna do it? To help get themselves caught? And like i posted earlier, there's always this too. 

Russian Ships Spotted Near Nord Stream

Pipelines Before Explosions: Report (newsweek.com)

Did you read your link?

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The Russian embassy's statement also referred to U.S. Navy exercises "with underwater explosives that have been conducted in the same area some time ago."

Earlier in September, U.S. Navy amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge took part in exercises in the Baltic Sea.

The only source in your link that is saying Russian naval support vessels in the area is from CNN.

The rest of the article points out that US activity in the area, including war games involving underwater explosives around the pipes, were conducted recently. Not to mention all the aircraft, drones, etc in the area.

The article doesn't mention what Russian ships were in this area, how long they stayed, if they ever stopped over the pipelines.

Read the whole article instead of just the headline and you'll get the point

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2 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

Is their a word missing in there somewhere?

 

America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests
Henry Kissinger

“It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.”

Henry Kissinger

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The point of the matter is that they all been around there recently .  So its all speculation right now. Do you really think the U.S. would do something like this to Germany and risk them finding out? Suffice it to say your "Kearsarge " link leads me to a sleep deprivation article .

A Danish military official said that Russian vessels regularly operated in the area and had stepped up their activities there to test Western awareness, but this did not mean in itself that Moscow was responsible for the suspected attacks.

 

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11 minutes ago, razman said:

The point of the matter is that they all been around there recently .  So its all speculation right now. Do you really think the U.S. would do something like this to Germany and risk them finding out? 

A Danish military official said that Russian vessels regularly operated in the area and had stepped up their activities there to test Western awareness, but this did not mean in itself that Moscow was responsible for the suspected attacks.

 

Its far more believable then anyone else doing it. What is the German government going to do? Tell the US to get stuffed? Not likely considering German security is reliant on the US. As well as their energy this winter. 

Retaliation against the US would be suicide and considering government policies, they will never side with Russia. 

Interesting that the Germans are the first and only European nation blaming Russia for this attack. Edit: except for Ukraine of course

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