Christian parents win in court after school labeled 6-year-old son potentially 'transphobic'

[el midgetron]

1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

You truly are a twisted person 

Where does the tweet you posted indicate that children are involved? 

I didn’t say kids were involved. I suggested you wanted to “prep” kids for that, which by supporting transgender ideology you do what to prepare kids for that.

Kids prepare to go to college. That doesn’t mean they go to college when they are kids. 

[psyche101]

6 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

I didn’t say kids were involved. I suggested you wanted to “prep” kids for that, which by supporting transgender ideology you do what to prepare kids for that.

Well that's dumb. Suggesting that is just outright stupid. If that's what you mind deduces you truly need to see someone and get help. Your hate is irrational and only exposes your worst qualities, of which I'm sure you have many.

6 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

Kids prepare to go to college. That doesn’t mean they go to college when they are kids. 

And you don't teach them high school subjects. They decide the subjects, just like their identity. Not your call. You seem to think you should decide for everyone. You're not qualified to do so. Your conservative outlook is disturbing.

[itsnotoutthere]

7 hours ago, psyche101 said:

You truly are a twisted person 

Where does the tweet you posted indicate that children are involved? 

[psyche101]

13 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

That's not the tweet he posted.

Where does it say cadaver skin is being used to change a child's sex?

And why is using cadaver skin depraved? 

Try your very best to stay in topic. 

[itsnotoutthere]

2 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

That's not the tweet he posted.

Where does it say cadaver skin is being used to change a child's sex?

And why is using cadaver skin depraved? 

Try your very best to stay in topic. 

You can see from my post that children as young as 6 are being given hormone treatment & puberty blockers which is patently the first step towards surgery.

[spartan max2]

2 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

You can see from my post that children as young as 6 are being given hormone treatment & puberty blockers which is patently the first step towards surgery.

I pretty skeptical of that claim. 1) I've never seen a 6 year old on hormone treatment or puberty blockers for gender. That would make no logical sense.

Because 2) that goes against all medical guidelines.  From both international and national groups.

You never posted a link, only and image. So idk where this charts range is coming from because images can be edited. 

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A leading transgender health association has lowered its recommended minimum age for starting gender transition treatment, including sex hormones and surgeries.

 

The World Professional Association for Transgender Health said hormones could be started at age 14, two years earlier than the group’s previous advice, and some surgeries done at age 15 or 17, a year or so earlier than previous guidance. The group acknowledged potential risks but said it is unethical and harmful to withhold early treatment.

https://apnews.com/article/gender-transition-treatment-guidelines-9dbe54f670a3a0f5f2831c2bf14f9bbb

Edited October 11, 2022 by spartan max2

[itsnotoutthere]

25 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

I pretty skeptical of that claim. 1) I've never seen a 6 year old on hormone treatment or puberty blockers for gender. That would make no logical sense.

Because 2) that goes against all medical guidelines.  From both international and national groups.

You never posted a link, only and image. So idk where this charts range is coming from because images can be edited. 

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https://apnews.com/article/gender-transition-treatment-guidelines-9dbe54f670a3a0f5f2831c2bf14f9bbb

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/

"The Komodo analysis of insurance claims found 56 genital surgeries among patients ages 13 to 17 with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis from 2019 to 2021. "

"A total of 17,683 patients, ages 6 through 17, with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis initiated either puberty blockers or hormones or both during the five-year period. Of these, 4,780 patients had initiated puberty blockers and 14,726 patients had initiated hormone treatment."

Edited October 11, 2022 by itsnotoutthere

[Electric Scooter]

What a bizarre world when treatments for gender identity disorder are banned.

If someone has a mental health condition surely it should be treated? Yet doing so has been branded hate or racism. How bizarre.

[spartan max2]

38 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/

"The Komodo analysis of insurance claims found 56 genital surgeries among patients ages 13 to 17 with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis from 2019 to 2021. "

"A total of 17,683 patients, ages 6 through 17, with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis initiated either puberty blockers or hormones or both during the five-year period. Of these, 4,780 patients had initiated puberty blockers and 14,726 patients had initiated hormone treatment."

Whoever is giving hormone treatment to a six year old shouldn't be.

There are medical groups all around the world who analyze the research each year to create guidelines for gender treatment.

This is similar to how guidelines are made for all diseases and medical things.

None of the guidelines say to offer hormone treatment anywhere close to the age of 6. That truly makes no since as you haven't reached the age of puberty yet. And are no where near the age to start puberty, which makes puberty blockers make no sense either.

Something is weird about that dataset. Or the kids being treated with hormones for some other condition.

I wonder if we are just reading this part wrong 

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ages 6 through 17, with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis initiated either puberty blockers or hormones or both during the five-year period.

Perhaps it means a couple of them were six at the start of the 5 year period and started blockers at 11 or something 

Edited October 11, 2022 by spartan max2

[Gromdor]

3 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Whoever is giving hormone treatment to a six year old shouldn't be.

There are medical groups all around the world who analyze the research each year to create guidelines for gender treatment.

This is similar to how guidelines are made for all diseases and medical things.

No one says to do hormone treatment for 6 year olds. That truly makes no since as you haven't reached the age of puberty yet. And are no where near the age to start puberty, which makes puberty blockers make no sense either.

Something is weird about that dataset. Or the kids being treated with hormones for some other condition.

I wonder if we are just reading this part wrong 

Perhaps it means a couple of them were six at the start of the 5 year period and started blockers at 11 or something 

Hormone treatment is given to children who are born intersex.  Intersex Conditions Treatment (urologists.org)

[spartan max2]

6 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Hormone treatment is given to children who are born intersex.  Intersex Conditions Treatment (urologists.org)

Ah. That makes sense.

[itsnotoutthere]

 

[psyche101]

On 10/11/2022 at 6:27 PM, itsnotoutthere said:

You can see from my post that children as young as 6 are being given hormone treatment & puberty blockers which is patently the first step towards surgery.

I've read the report, I suggest you chase it down and read it too.

I still don't see what this has to do with cadaver skin which is discussed in my post that you quoted. 

[itsnotoutthere]

11 hours ago, psyche101 said:

I've read the report, I suggest you chase it down and read it too.

I still don't see what this has to do with cadaver skin which is discussed in my post that you quoted. 

I have, it's where I got all the quotes from.

So, after being given puberty blockers & hormone treatment (at 6)  .....whats the next step toward 'becoming your true self'?

Edited October 13, 2022 by itsnotoutthere

[spartan max2]

12 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

I have, it's where I got all the quotes from. So, after being given puberty blockers & hormone treatment (at 6)  .....whats the next step toward 'becoming your true self'?

Jesus. The anti-trans folks are so disingenuousness. 

I know you can see our discussion. No 6 year old is being given hormone treatment for gender dsyhopria. Your insurance claim data is looking at a five year period. And intersex is a thing. Hormones for a six year old would go against all guidelines and even activist group. It simply would make zero sense. And believe it or not, doctors care alot about guidelines because following guidelines help protect you from lawsuits.

If you're going to argue against gender affirming treatment than atleast argue against what is actually happening.

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whats the next step toward 'becoming your true self'?

As for this part. Your literally just pushing a false narrative.

There is no "set path" for gender treatment. Gender dysphoria is a spectrum. Many kids just chang pronouns and clothes. Some do only hormones. A minority who feel it the most intense may do top surgery or even top and bottom. 

There is not some "set path to your true self" where if you change your pronouns to they/them that says you must ultimately do surgery. And no one is pushing that. It's an option because it's a spectrum. It's not a set path.

It's just fear mongering and propaganda by people who don't understand trans youth.

Edited October 13, 2022 by spartan max2

[Tatetopa]

On 10/11/2022 at 4:43 AM, Cookie Monster said:

What a bizarre world when treatments for gender identity disorder are banned.

If someone has a mental health condition surely it should be treated? Yet doing so has been branded hate or racism. How bizarre.

I totally agree.  I think pleasant summer educational camps are the best way to treat conservatism.  And of course like drug treatment and conversion therapy camps, you don't leave until the treatment is successful.  You can't call that hate or racism, we are just trying to help you overcome your mental disorder.

[Electric Scooter]

Just now, Tatetopa said:

I totally agree.  I think pleasant summer educational camps are the best way to treat conservatism.  And of course like drug treatment and conversion therapy camps, you don't leave until the treatment is successful.  You can't call that hate or racism, we are just trying to help you overcome your mental disorder.

By psychological treatment that doesn`t mean conversion therapy.

[el midgetron]

On 10/10/2022 at 12:12 PM, itsnotoutthere said:

 

 

That is one of the most awful videos I have ever seen. 

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[psyche101]

14 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

I have, it's where I got all the quotes from.

No you didn't.

Those screenshots are from the Reuters article referencing the Komodo analysis.

14 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

So, after being given puberty blockers & hormone treatment (at 6)  .....whats the next step toward 'becoming your true self'?

That's an individual choice isn't it?

Are you saying every single person follows the same path, because I see zero evidence of that 

You're making a lot of wild assumptions to support a false conclusion.

[el midgetron]

It makes you wonder what these people think a woman is. They apparently believe a woman is something undefinable and nebulous but at the same time achievable by purely cosmetic avenues and arbitrary accessorizes. 

 

 

 

 

[Tatetopa]

3 hours ago, el midgetron said:

It makes you wonder what these people think a woman is.

I suppose a woman can be somebody who dresses in leathers, has an Elvis haircut and rides up with a group of bikers and threatens to beat the sh** out of you if you can't properly answer the question, "Whacha lookinat?"    Looked like she could have done it too.  Just as long as she has the properly defined genitals? 

[jmccr8]

32 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

I suppose a woman can be somebody who dresses in leathers, has an Elvis haircut and rides up with a group of bikers and threatens to beat the sh** out of you if you can't properly answer the question, "Whacha lookinat?"    Looked like she could have done it too.  Just as long as she has the properly defined genitals? 

Hi Tate

Couldn’t decide whether I should like or laugh as you made a great point in a fun way.

[Knob Oddy]

1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

I suppose a woman can be somebody who dresses in leathers, has an Elvis haircut and rides up with a group of bikers and threatens to beat the sh** out of you if you can't properly answer the question, "Whacha lookinat?"    Looked like she could have done it too.  Just as long as she has the properly defined genitals? 

Yes, I'm sure there are lesbian women who fit that description. And yes, if they are female adults then they are women by definition.

What is the point you are trying to make? That lesbians need to change gender and have surgery to fit specific boxes?

Adult human female = woman.

Its only complicated if you want it to be. Even the US government admits what a woman is by drafting trans "women" but not trans "men" 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Knob Oddy